UPDATED: 10 Night Southern Caribbean - Parts 1, 2 & 3

[Disneynut1955]

Like you, Disneynut1955, joemuseum was part of the group because he posts on these boards. That is the sole criteria for being a part of the group. In actuality, since joemuseum was on his honeymoon, he didn't really participate in too many (if any) of the group events at all , so please don't slander him by lumping him with the rest of our "cult," as you put it. Unless Joe and his new wife want to be part of the cult.

Once again, I will state, that I have no complaints about your review. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Besides, I love reading all kinds of reviews. I love reading about your experiences. I find them thoroughly entertaining. What I find offensive is the derogatory comments about posters and members of the DisBoards, especially when children read these boards. And that is just my opinion.

You later went back and revised your post. I will do the same. I appreciate the fact that my trip report was interesting to you. I certainly will respect your opinion no matter what it is. Again, my trip report is nothing more than my impression of the cruise. The experiences I detail are not because I am better than anyone else and were certainly not experiences that can be purchased. They are unique to my trip and my report would not be complete without posting about these experiences.

What troubles me is when I post about things that we liked and disliked, just as Amlee did in her report entitled "10 Days in Wonderland. The good, the bad and the ugly!" people feel the need to be heard and defend their cruise experience.

One person went so far as to criticize my signature while defending someone from the group who had the exact same content in her signature (now deleted from view). It seems as though there is an obvious double standard in judging the content of my posts.

Let us be fair in our criticism of this entire discussion. I did not enter Amlee's thread and voice my opinion or tell her she was wrong. I certainly did not enter her thread and support an opposing viewpoint by writing "Go Steve, Go Steve". Please don't be upset at me for standing my ground and defending what can never be changed, my opinion. No profanity has been used and I have been very careful in my wording so as not to affect children.

My point in a nutshell is this...Even if I disagree with the entire mentality of the group that sailed on the 10 night voyage, not once did anyone hear or see anything from me reflecting such an opinion. What has transpired here tonight is the exact opposite. People who feel slighted or offended by my impression of the cruise and/or my experiences felt the need to defend their opinion and experience by criticizing my report. Would you not agree that it would be better to simply write your own report and be done with it? They are all opinions, many are differing, so how can one person be right?

 

[Disneynut1955]

Again, none of my post was directed at you or your report. I'm not sure why you took it that way.

I didn't mention your report or say anything negative about it.

Playing catch-up. You went back and heavily edited one your previous posts. I took your commentary to be directed at my report for two reasons. First, you posted in the thread bearing my trip report.

Second, you referenced my captain's hat (clearly part of my trip report) by stating "I personally hope your captain's hat brings you as much joy as I experienced..." For these reasons I assumed that your post was directed at myself.

 

[lillygator]

Thanks for your reply!

And what exactly did I miss here? Why can't someone post their trip report including + and - ? Many enjoy reading about different aspects of DCL, some that they may not get to experience themselves.

Did something happen on the boat that would further explain all the hostility?

 

[Disneynut1955]

Did something happen on the boat that would further explain all the hostility?

That is the funny thing, NO!!! We never said anything to anyone, never spoke about anyone, we simply did not participate in the "group".

 

[lillygator]

hmmm? I don't know what to say then. Very odd.

 

[Amlee]

What troubles me is when I post about things that we liked and disliked, just as Amlee did in her report entitled "10 Days in Wonderland. The good, the bad and the ugly!" people feel the need to be heard and defend their cruise experience.

I repected your request to stay out of your thread, but here yet again, you have brought me back into it. I also ignored your childish pm regarding weight. How sad a grown man has to turn to such a childish topic.

I haven't got to the "bad" or the "ugly" in my trip report yet. I fully expect people NOT to agree with me. But unlike you. I will respect their opinions and NOT attack them for NOT agreeing with me.

You seem to be missing the point as to why some people seem upset. You can't handle people not agreeing with you, so therefore you have to attack them. When you attack people, yes others who are friends will defend them or make a comment back. That is only natural.


Steve and I didn't agree with some of your opinions. We expressed that we didn't. Instead of saying. Well this is how I felt about things. We all have different experiance or something along those lines. You started your childish insults and name calling.

THAT IS WHAT HAS EVERYONE SO UPSET!

 

[GoofyGuy777]

Remove.....

 

[Disneynut1955]

I repected your request to stay out of your thread, but here yet again, you have brought me back into it.

I never asked you to stay out of "my" thread. It is a public board and you are free to post when you want. I asked that this argument be taken private, not that you stop posting general posts. When I take the argument private, you immediately report back to the group in a public forum what was said. Sounds like you are unsure of what you want.

I haven't got to the "bad" or the "ugly" in my trip report yet. I fully expect people NOT to agree with me. But unlike you. I will respect their opinions and NOT attack them for NOT agreeing with me.

Let me be the first to point out, you did not disagree with me. You posted "Go Steve, Go Steve" in response to a post that challenged my report. You did not even have enough clarity to disagree with what I wrote. The difference is, I have no desire to go into a thread you created and challenge your opinion.

You seem to be missing the point as to why some people seem upset. You can't handle people not agreeing with you, so therefore you have to attack them. When you attack people, yes others who are friends will defend them or make a comment back. That is only natural.

I seem to have things pretty much nailed down. I can handle people not agreeing with me. You did not disagree with me, you acted like a child. I fully expect your "group" and new found "circle of friends" to rally around you. That has been demonstrated here time and again. The posts by these "friends" clearly demonstrate that they blindly support a position while also evidencing the fact that they have not even read the trip report. I find it amusing that each of you need to defend each the other "members" time and again.

Steve and I didn't agree with some of your opinions. We expressed that we didn't. Instead of saying. Well this is how I felt about things. We all have different experiance or something along those lines. You started your childish insults and name calling.

Again, you seem to have your own take on things. You never voiced any opinion much less a dissenting one. You rode on the coattails from someone in the group.

You seem to be seeking some form of apology or explanation. I really have no desire to be accepted or understood by anybody in your group. The fact remains that the ONLY negative comments are from those in your group!!! The fact that you continue to rally the troops clearly supports my previous description of your group.

 

[Disneynut1955]

Exactly...please respect our opinions, without resorting to name calling.

Steve, once again the argument is slanted by posting half truths. You love to quote my posts from various threads, but fail to post what my commentary was responding to.

Not surprisingly, you fail to address your statement yesterday where you clearly bashed me for my signature line while defending someone who had the exact same content in hers (which is now deleted). Your whole argument seems a little more personal than you let on.

Yes, it is true. My trip report has nothing to do with the person you cite above. You brought this person up in your post, not I. You did so to support a position which has now been shelved and now accuse me for bringing this person into the mix.

Again, if you come into a thread and allege certain things while making statements that contradict each other, I will respond each and every time. Stop acting as one collective unit and try to defend only your comments and statements.

 

[jeast]

Thank you for a detailed and balanced trip report. I enjoyed reading it.

 

[Amlee]

I never asked you to stay out of "my" thread. It is a public board and you are free to post when you want. I asked that this argument be taken private, not that you stop posting general posts. When I take the argument private, you immediately report back to the group in a public forum what was said. Sounds like you are unsure of what you want.

All you did when you took this to PM was get more insulting and nasty. You have no intention in talking about this. I never asked you to take it to pm, that was your request not mine. If I have something to say to someone, I'll say it out in the open.



Let me be the first to point out, you did not disagree with me. You posted "Go Steve, Go Steve" in response to a post that challenged my report. You did not even have enough clarity to disagree with what I wrote. The difference is, I have no desire to go into a thread you created and challenge your opinion.

Let's see, I supported the post of someone who didn't agree with you. So yes, I guess you could take it as I didn't agree with you. I have been reading your report as you posted and haven't had time to go step by step as to what I didn't agree with. Steve hit the highlights of the things I didn't agree with. Therefore, a simple post agreeing with him, was enough to show my dissagreement with you.



I seem to have things pretty much nailed down. I can handle people not agreeing with me. You did not disagree with me, you acted like a child. I fully expect your "group" and new found "circle of friends" to rally around you. That has been demonstrated here time and again. The posts by these "friends" clearly demonstrate that they blindly support a position while also evidencing the fact that they have not even read the trip report. I find it amusing that each of you need to defend each the other "members" time and again.

LOL if you think name calling and insulting as having things handled down, then boy are you worse than I thought. Let's clear up one thing. I don't need my "group" or new found "circle of friends" around me. I'm fully able to take care of myself. Especially when one makes himself look so immature. What is even more amsuing is the fact that you need to attack people for being friends and joining together as a group. We can't help if you have social issues.



Again, you seem to have your own take on things. You never voiced any opinion much less a dissenting one. You rode on the coattails from someone in the group.

If you like and when I have time. I'll set down reread your report and go step by step as to what I didn't agree with and what I did agree with. Oh and the bad and ugly on my trip reports is mostly directed toward the rude. arrogant people who were on the cruise, who seemed to think they were the only ones on the ship and thought the cruise was just for them. I wonder, are you one of those I ran into?!

You seem to be seeking some form of apology or explanation. I really have no desire to be accepted or understood by anybody in your group. The fact remains that the ONLY negative comments are from those in your group!!! The fact that you continue to rally the troops clearly supports my previous description of your group.

I don't expect anything from you, other than the continued insults that you are so full of. LOL at this point and time, I'm so happy that you don't want to have any part of our group. You wouldn't have fit in anyway. Rally the troops!? Again, I don't need to rally anyone. If someone reads your comments, they make their own choice to post. I'm not forcing anyone to come to this thread and post to you.

These comments are just getting better and better!

 

[oybolshoi]

Thanks for sharing your experience, DisneyNut. I thought your report was nicely balanced and I enjoyed reading about some of the special things you were able to do sailing as a concierge guest.

 

[Disneynut1955]

These comments are just getting better and better!

We can go back and forth but it is clear you will never get it. I have no social issues. I am perfectly fine on my own. I don't need to surround myself with a group in order to feel welcome. Who truly has the social issue?

As for rude and arrogant people...sorry, that was not me. As I have pointed out time and again, I minded my own business. Clearly we sought to do things in a private way, not in a large group. Our intention, unlike the other faction, was to NOT BE NOTICED.

We did not resort to wearing lanyards that identified us as part of the group. We did not feel the need to participate in structured activities (restricted to members of the group) that consumed the ships space and resources. We did not bother people in their staterooms during their private time outside of public areas.

Your trip report belongs in your particular thread. I have no intention of commenting on your opinions, you should do the same.

 

[Tinkerme1]

Wow , seems my night will be spent defending my position. We sent a private email to you offering dinner with us at Palo. We heard nothing back from you after the initial response. We told you the time and location. I am sorry you felt it was my responsibility to extend the invitation a second time. This is in line with my entire argument, we don't attempt to force ourselves on anyone.

David, you invited us to join your group for dinner in the private room. I sent a PM to you thanking you for your nice invitation. You gave me the date and time, nothing more, which was fine. When you posted to the boards that you would not be sailing, I, like a normal person, scratched the PALO dinner from my activities. Now, I find that you did, in fact, sail with us. Let others decide about your "kindness and respect for others".

Your trip report was your trip report. I'm glad you had such a good time. So did we.

 

[Disneynut1955]

David, you invited us to join your group for dinner in the private room. I sent a PM to you thanking you for your nice invitation. You gave me the date and time, nothing more, which was fine. When you posted to the boards that you would not be sailing, I, like a normal person, scratched the PALO dinner from my activities. Now, I find that you did, in fact, sail with us. Let others decide about your "kindness and respect for others".

Your trip report was your trip report. I'm glad you had such a good time. So did we.

I apologize to you. We did post that we did not think we would be able to go. We in fact decided to go the evening prior to the trip. We were not looking to exclude you and did not think to repost that we had decided to go on the cruise.

 

[Amlee]

We can go back and forth but it is clear you will never get it. I have no social issues. I am perfectly fine on my own. I don't need to surround myself with a group in order to feel welcome. Who truly has the social issue?

LMAO! I don't think it's me that's not getting it. You seem to have the misconception that others aren't able to go it alone. To bad, had you bothered to get to know some of us. You would know that isn't true. Your right, sometimes it's great to go it alone. But it can be great to interact with people and meet new friends.

As for rude and arrogant people...sorry, that was not me. As I have pointed out time and again, I minded my own business. Clearly we sought to do things in a private way, not in a large group. Our intention, unlike the other faction, was to NOT BE NOTICED.

Yet you come back and have no problem in posting all of your private things. Too funny!

We did not resort to wearing lanyards that identified us as part of the group. We did not feel the need to participate in structured activities (restricted to members of the group) that consumed the ships space and resources. We did not bother people in their staterooms during their private time outside of public areas.

I'm so glad that you didn't wear your lanyard! I have to thank you for it! Ah another misconception on your part. Nobody HAD to take take part in the stuff planned. If you did great it was nice meeting you. If you don't, then it's your lost in not meeting with a great group of people. LOL we didn't take up any ships space that was being used. There was plenty of other tables in the dining room when we all met for lunch. There was all of 2 other people in the area we had the room we had the scrap booking in. An before you run and comment about my post on the ladies who came in. Had they of ASKED for some of the items. I for one wouldn't have had a problem in sharing with them. But to walk in and start picking things up off a table would fall in with the other rude people on the ship. Bother people in their stateroom during their private time!? Oh I can't wait to hear how you think this went about!

Your trip report belongs in your particular thread. I have no intention of commenting on your opinions, you should do the same.

So you didn't post this trip report for people to comment on? Or is it just away for you to brag about all your extra stuff. Oh wait, you only want those that agree with you to comment. Sorry it doesn't work that way. I have no problem with you making a repectful comment (be it agreeing with me or disagreeing with me) in my trip report. I welcome all repectful post or comments. It would be ineresting to see if your able to do that.

Have a good day!

 

[Disneynut1955]

Have a good day!

You too, let us end it at that.

 

[lillygator]

maybe everyone is upset that there was no suite tour?

I know I love my cruise meets thread, but there are many who choose, nor want to, participate in the activities.

 

[sjs488]

I was on this cruise along with my wife and son. My wife (tiggerstac) made little presents to put in the fish extenders. She also went to the lunch and thought all was great.

Reading all these posts I can see where some people might think that the "special treatment" like the bridge tour where the rest of us had to look down from above really didn't need to be mentioned because most people who are reading this wouldn't be able to get the same tour or push buttons (really we all want to push buttons) as Disneynut1955 did. Same thing with the pictures of walts apartment. Most people would not be able to do these things and have private meeting with people so how can one possibly look at a trip report and say wow I can't wait to do that. (I probably could have pushed the button and sat in the chair but would have most likely been arrested)


All of the personal attacks and references to "cult" and being from Texas should not have been said. I think that is insulting to those who have decided to get together as a group and participate in things that they wanted to do. Think of it this way if I'm in deversions and i am doing pub quest and people asked me to join them did I just join a cult or did i participate in an activity?

As for my trip report:

Days 1-10: Somethings were good Somethings were not. but that is only my opinion and one should not make a judgement on how a cruise is or isn't on what I think.

Summary: If your considering a cruise and have kids or don't have kids consider Disney or not. the point is you decide where to go who to spend time with and make form your own opnions. if people have specific questions on how somethis was or was not there seems to be pleanty of individual threads going on with lot's of questions.

Steve

 

[GoofyGuy777]

Removed.....