Update Post 49 -- Feeling like a bad parent: have never had a playdate at my house

I can't sleep now as I'm feeling overwhelmed about this all of a sudden. I think it's because of DS's upcoming 10th birthday. And I'm wondering if we've caused DS any psychological harm as a result of all this. He is an introvert to begin with and has never asked to invite anyone over; the fact that we constantly mention "if we could get the house clean we could invite folks over" probably hasn't helped. I feel just terrible and wonder if it is too late to start extending invitations to have one of his friends over on a weekend when we are free. I don't even know how to entertain another kid. :confused:

I don't think you have done any psychological damage to him but you may have lead him to believe he can't have anyone over by constantly saying that.
Its not too late though. You just need to get your family together, get your house in order and then it will be easy.
 
I don't think you've done psychological harm but I think using the messy house excuse is kind of lame. Kids aren't going to notice your messy house and you don't need to invite parents past the front door. At age 10 there isn't any need for you to involve yourself in playdate activities beyond providing snacks.

Your child is at an age that he could be starting to be left out of things because you aren't reciprocating. Have your son and daughter each invite a friend over for a few hours and use that to do some cleaning and organizing.

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Like some other posters said, get over the guilt but make some changes. The fact that you never have people to your home because it is so messy is a huge red flag to me. Your children are just a product of this and while "suffering" may be too strong a word, they're not being given the same things other children are because of that. Children need to feel that their home is theirs, too, and friends should be welcome there and a part of that. It seems that the fact that your house isn't clean is affecting your life in a big way. Do something about it. Your kids are obviously used to not having friends over now, but believe me they are feeling left out because of it.

Sorry if this was harsh but I'm assuming you wanted honest opinions.
My mother is 88 years old and still has "shame" issues left over from her childhood home being embarrassing, not being able to bring friends and boyfriends home, etc. It's sad. So I agree.

I don't think a good parent is defined by having playdates or not. But I do think it would be a kindness to your son to get your house cleaned up and to keep it that way so he has the option of having friends over if he wants to. I'm sure he'll appreciate "being like everyone else" - it's so important at the age your son is at now, and as he goes through high school.
 
I call our house "well lived in". It's not dirty but right now there are 3 loads of laundry sitting in my hallway ready to go to the basement, dishes need to be done from last night, there is a fine layer of dust on the entertainment center and the bathroom needs a scrub down. But I work 40+ hours a week as does DH (who is at work working OT right now), DD dances and does soccer and we weren't home one night before 8pm this week and my older stepson had to be to work at noon and he doesn't drive. So we are on the go. All the time. It's life. I don't like to have people over because my house isn't like how my mom kept ours growing up...perfect. But my mom spent zero time with us and we didn't do any outside activities because she was always cleaning and organizing and making sure everything was in its place and she had time for work and cleaning and nothing else. My DD is curled up next to me right now and we're watching Frozen and the housework can wait. Your son will be just fine. He likely enjoys his quiet time at home.
 

I kind of agree but I wouldn't say bad parent. Maybe just that OP needs to MAKE time to clean. Even just the basics.

It doesn't take much to make a house presentable. Go through one day(make it a family thing) and get it all in order. Then just do a little upkeep everyday.

I know it sucks to come home dog tired and clean(NO ONE likes or wants to do it.), but picking up a little at night shouldn't take you more than 30 minutes. It just can't get out of control because that is what causes the overwhelming, don't even know where to start mess.

Sounds like you know what you need to do OP.

Especially for kids. 10 hear old boys don't need Martha Stewart clean. They need some food and a place to hang out.

Op I hope you can get your world together so that everyone can enjoy it.
 
"if we could get the house clean we could invite folks over" probably hasn't helped. :confused:


First, I'm amazed and a little envious that you dodged this "fun" part of parenthood. My DD17 had a playdate almost every Sat. and Sun. from age 3 or 4 until Middle School when things kind of change to "let's meet at the theater" or more just them planning a hang out time at various houses. However, my DD had no close age sibling to play with and no kids her age in our near neighbors so I would have been entertaining her without arranging a play date.

Is it too late? Of course not and if your son is an introvert, I would encourage it. As far as entertaining them. You don't. They figure out what to do. We are now surrounded by a bunch of boys that age on our block and they seem to always be outside throwing a football around, shooting baskets in a driveway, or having a Nerf war. Every once in a while DH and I take the 20 year old Bazooka out that DS29 left behind and get a couple of shots in.

Honestly though, since you threw it out there. It seems that what you really need to do is get your house in order so that you will look forward to having friends over. DD17, mentioned this week that the reason she and her friends never hang out at XXX's house is that "her parents are hoarders." I had no idea. DD17 said it was shocking the first time she was there and now just sad. Not saying that you are a hoarder but it seems that whatever state your house is in is causing you anxiety and hindering your life.

I would suggest that a professional cleaning once or twice a month might be worth the cost if you guys can't keep up with it. DH and I don't want to budget money for that so he comes home at lunch on Fridays and does the dusting and floors. I'm a teacher who never has meetings or extra tutoring on Fridays so I'm home by 3:30 and give the kitchen and bathrooms a deep cleaning. We all just keep things picked up as we go through the week. I cook every night, DH does the dishes. I have laundry going now. It normally gets kept going whenever we are home on the weekend. Then I'll take about an hour on Sunday to fold it all, iron, and DD puts hers away.

If your family likes to hang out together maybe pick a time- Saturday morning, a week night- when everyone pitches in and you get the house clean in a couple of hours.
 
I agree with all of the PP who say that kids don't care what your house looks like. Does he have friends? Ds11 has a small circle of friends, but they are close friends (ds15 had a posse at that age). The problem with never hosting is that, right about now, kids have formed circles of friends, and they start making plans on their own (after asking parental permission). I don't invite the kids' friends over, the kids ask me if they can have friends over, and if I okay it, they call or text them. A lot of these friendships formed years ago, when mom would call mom.

It's not too late - just do it. If you are embarrassed about the mess, you can even take the kids out places - CEC, movies, etc. And you don't have to entertain them - they figure out stuff to do.
 
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Thanks for the replies. I'm feeling much better after a night's sleep and reading some of the replies and suggestions here. I've spoken to DS and he sounds interested in having someone over (but not jumping up and down enthusiasm). I just emailed one of his friend's parents to invite the friend over for one of the afternoons where I'm picking the boys up from school earlier; that'll force us to take action on the house.

We're not in the horder category thank goodness. We're just messy -- toys, books, stacks of research papers (DH), and other stuff everywhere on the floor, couch, stairs; and the house needs a serious dusting/vacuuming. DH and I usually bring work from home as well; so after dinner and getting the kids to sleep we often continue working. I've seriously thought of hiring someone to help us clean; but I can't get over the fact that we should clean up the clutter first. ;)

But baby steps first.

I envy those of you who live in neighborhoods with a lot of kids who just naturally play outside or hang out together. Some of DS's friends live in pockets like that. But around us are mostly retirees or older parents (with high school or college age kids); a few families with younger kids have moved in but they are much younger than our kids. I didn't think about this aspect when we picked the house; in hinesight we should have tried to figure out how many similar aged kids lived on our streets.
 
As an introvert, though, he probably hits his limit of playing with other kids at aftercare and activities most weeks, and hasn't even wanted anyone over.

Wow! Very good point. I'm an adult introvert and I've never thought of it this way but that describes me perfectly. Often work and volunteer activities fulfill my need for socialization. Getting together with friends/family once a month or so is plenty for me.

Don't get me wrong. I like people but after a week of interacting with my coworkers whom I enjoy very much, visiting with others in the gym everyday, and volunteer activities all I want to do at night and on the weekends is hang out with DH and relax. Entertaining only happens a few times a year but that's enough for me.
 
Thanks for the replies. I'm feeling much better after a night's sleep and reading some of the replies and suggestions here. I've spoken to DS and he sounds interested in having someone over (but not jumping up and down enthusiasm). I just emailed one of his friend's parents to invite the friend over for one of the afternoons where I'm picking the boys up from school earlier; that'll force us to take action on the house.

We're not in the horder category thank goodness. We're just messy -- toys, books, stacks of research papers (DH), and other stuff everywhere on the floor, couch, stairs; and the house needs a serious dusting/vacuuming. DH and I usually bring work from home as well; so after dinner and getting the kids to sleep we often continue working. I've seriously thought of hiring someone to help us clean; but I can't get over the fact that we should clean up the clutter first. ;)

But baby steps first.

I envy those of you who live in neighborhoods with a lot of kids who just naturally play outside or hang out together. Some of DS's friends live in pockets like that. But around us are mostly retirees or older parents (with high school or college age kids); a few families with younger kids have moved in but they are much younger than our kids. I didn't think about this aspect when we picked the house; in hinesight we should have tried to figure out how many similar aged kids lived on our streets.

Here's what I would do.
I'd pick up all the clutter, put it in bags, boxes, whatever and bring it to a "staging area"...a spare room, your basement, your garage. And by clutter I don't necessarily only mean the things you mentioned, but also anything that you look at and think "Do I really need this for any reason". Move it all somewhere where you can get out out of the main living area of the house.

Then clean the house, which will be a lot easier to do once you don't have to clean around all the clutter.

Dust the whole house room by room...furniture, baseboards, window blinds, window sills. Then vacuum the floors. Clean the bathrooms and the kitchen counter....don't forget to dust in the bathrooms too...along the top of the tile, if you have a vanity etc.

Now your house is decluttered and clean.

Now go to your staging area where you put all the clutter.
Go through it bag by bag. Be ruthless.
If it's not something you need or brings you joy or has sentimental value, get rid of it.
If it's still a useful item, but you don't need/want it, put it in a box to donate it.
If it's not useful discard it.
If it's something not useful and recyclable, put it in your recycle bin.
If its something you need to keep, then make a place for it and put it there.

Or put a table on your front yard and put "Free - Tag Sale to benefit X Charity. Take whatever items you want and pay whatever amount you want, which we will give to X Charity as a donation at the end of the sale". You'd be amazed at how the word Free brings people around and most people will give some sort of donation...and if they don't, what do you care as long as it is getting the clutter out of your house???????

Toys - into a playroom, the children's bedroom, an area in your basement. Have the kids take along hard look at the toys and determine if they REALLY want to keep it. Any toys that are no longer age appropriate for your children should be donated...Big Brothers/Big Sisters, a local battered women's shelter, a local hospital, Goodwill, Salvation Army. Big Brothers and Salvation Army will come pick stuff up....at least they do in my area.

Books - same as toys. If you want to keep it, it needs to have a place....bookscase, storage bin. If you don't want to keep it, donate it to your local library.

Research Papers - if they are things DH needs to keep, they need to be stored somewhere. In a labeled Rubbermaid bin in the basement, in a storage bin under your bed. If he is a professor and is reading/grading them, then while they are in your home they need to be somewhere other than on the floors, stairs, couch....buy a decorative box or basket and tell him if he is going to sit in the livingroom to grade papers, when he is done grading them they go into the decorative basket until he removes them from the house. They don't get left on the couch, they don't get piled on the stairs or the coffee table or anywhere else.

Stairs - put a basket at the top & bottom of the stairs. Things that need to go up or down go into the basket, and ANYONE who goes up or down brings the basket with thm and puts the item away, or at least puts the item into the bedroom of the person to whom it belongs.

The key is once you get all the clutter out of the main living area of the house and got through it, what's left does not go back into the house until it has a place to "go", and the place to go does NOT include the couch, the stairs or the tabletops in the main living areas. That way the house doesn't look cluttered and because it's not cluttered it's easier to keep clean because you don't have to clean around all the stuff.

Bedrooms are goign to probably be a bit messier, but in general, who's in your bedroom anyway, other than you guys? Bedroom doors can be closed. That's a beautiful thing. :) If the kids want to have a sleepover, if their bedroom is cluttered then they have to clean it up in preparation for the sleepover.

My goal is always to keep the "public" area of the house (in my case I have a livingroom, kitchen, den, diningroom and bath on the main level)presentable...not spotless....after all we do live here...but presentable.

The bedroom space upstairs may be a bit messier but, in geeneral, no one goes up there other than us, so it's OK.

My Achillles heel is my basement and garage. DH is a packrat so we fight that battle all the time!!!!!

Once you get it under control it's easier to keep it under control.
 
I forgot to add a thank you to all the parents who provided insight into introverts; I hadn't considered things from that perspective and I suspect this lack of play dates is more of a problem for me than it is for DS. I just want to make sure he has a healthy relationship with his friends and not end up excluded because of my actions (or inactions). I know his friends have all had sleepovers since they were in kindergarten but since we used to turn them down (as DS was a bed wetter until last year and he didn't want to go) those invitations are no longer extended to him. But that is a matter for another day. Play dates first; sleepovers later.
 
Here's what I would do. . . .

OMG Thank you for the wonderful step by step, room by room instructions! I need this and reading the steps laid out makes everything seem less overwhelming. I'm going to print this out and follow this.
 
I totally understand about the house to messy, that's mine 75% of the time!

What I did when the kids were younger was maybe you aren't the house they play in BUT your the Mom who is willing to drive them to the batting cages and sit there while they hit, Your the Mom who takes them to the county fair, your the Mom who takes them to the arcade and sits in the car and reads a book, You give them a ride to the comic book store, When they were younger you were the one who would walk to the playground with them after dinner and sat and pretended you didn't know them! you get the idea!

There are many ways to reciprocate , it doesn't have to be with playing in your house. But you do have to reciprocate somehow.
 
Another thought (if you are considering a paid housekeeper) Have a room/basement, etc... that they DONT clean. That's where you can stage your clutter for the moment, and they can get in a good deep clean of the rest of the house. It will make you feel so much better! Then once they leave, pick at the clutter room.

I don't host a lot of playdates (these introvert descriptions describe me to a tee!) But I have found that having plans at the house every once in awhile is enough to keep me up on the housework. I am a GS leader and roughly once a month a meeting is held at my house. About 3-4 times a year gparents visit for the weekend.

I find that we get lazy with the mess when no one is coming. Just because there are better things to do. So having a reason to pick up (occasional playdate, etc...) is just enough to keep us straight.

Our house can get pretty embarrassing if we go too long w/o hosting company!
 
Here's what I would do. I'd pick up all the clutter, put it in bags, boxes, whatever and bring it to a "staging area"...a spare room, your basement, your garage. And by clutter I don't necessarily only mean the things you mentioned, but also anything that you look at and think "Do I really need this for any reason". Move it all somewhere where you can get out out of the main living area of the house. Then clean the house, which will be a lot easier to do once you don't have to clean around all the clutter. Dust the whole house room by room...furniture, baseboards, window blinds, window sills. Then vacuum the floors. Clean the bathrooms and the kitchen counter....don't forget to dust in the bathrooms too...along the top of the tile, if you have a vanity etc. Now your house is decluttered and clean. Now go to your staging area where you put all the clutter. Go through it bag by bag. Be ruthless. If it's not something you need or brings you joy or has sentimental value, get rid of it. If it's still a useful item, but you don't need/want it, put it in a box to donate it. If it's not useful discard it. If it's something not useful and recyclable, put it in your recycle bin. If its something you need to keep, then make a place for it and put it there. Or put a table on your front yard and put "Free - Tag Sale to benefit X Charity. Take whatever items you want and pay whatever amount you want, which we will give to X Charity as a donation at the end of the sale". You'd be amazed at how the word Free brings people around and most people will give some sort of donation...and if they don't, what do you care as long as it is getting the clutter out of your house??????? Toys - into a playroom, the children's bedroom, an area in your basement. Have the kids take along hard look at the toys and determine if they REALLY want to keep it. Any toys that are no longer age appropriate for your children should be donated...Big Brothers/Big Sisters, a local battered women's shelter, a local hospital, Goodwill, Salvation Army. Big Brothers and Salvation Army will come pick stuff up....at least they do in my area. Books - same as toys. If you want to keep it, it needs to have a place....bookscase, storage bin. If you don't want to keep it, donate it to your local library. Research Papers - if they are things DH needs to keep, they need to be stored somewhere. In a labeled Rubbermaid bin in the basement, in a storage bin under your bed. If he is a professor and is reading/grading them, then while they are in your home they need to be somewhere other than on the floors, stairs, couch....buy a decorative box or basket and tell him if he is going to sit in the livingroom to grade papers, when he is done grading them they go into the decorative basket until he removes them from the house. They don't get left on the couch, they don't get piled on the stairs or the coffee table or anywhere else. Stairs - put a basket at the top & bottom of the stairs. Things that need to go up or down go into the basket, and ANYONE who goes up or down brings the basket with thm and puts the item away, or at least puts the item into the bedroom of the person to whom it belongs. The key is once you get all the clutter out of the main living area of the house and got through it, what's left does not go back into the house until it has a place to "go", and the place to go does NOT include the couch, the stairs or the tabletops in the main living areas. That way the house doesn't look cluttered and because it's not cluttered it's easier to keep clean because you don't have to clean around all the stuff. Bedrooms are goign to probably be a bit messier, but in general, who's in your bedroom anyway, other than you guys? Bedroom doors can be closed. That's a beautiful thing. :) If the kids want to have a sleepover, if their bedroom is cluttered then they have to clean it up in preparation for the sleepover. My goal is always to keep the "public" area of the house (in my case I have a livingroom, kitchen, den, diningroom and bath on the main level)presentable...not spotless....after all we do live here...but presentable. The bedroom space upstairs may be a bit messier but, in geeneral, no one goes up there other than us, so it's OK. My Achillles heel is my basement and garage. DH is a packrat so we fight that battle all the time!!!!! Once you get it under control it's easier to keep it under control.

Great post. Cleaning is easy once the clutter is gone.
 
I think I had a friend over to my house exactly once growing up. I went to school in the suburbs but lived in the city (they had a program where minority kids could go to school in the suburbs and white kids could go to the city to make things more "diverse.") The combination of living far enough away from my friends, the likelyhood of their parents not wanting to come to the "bad part of town" and our house always being messy led to me never having friends over.

I survived.

That said, my house is usually very neat after growing up in such a messy house. I don't want to repeat that for my daughter.
 
I totally understand about the house to messy, that's mine 75% of the time! What I did when the kids were younger was maybe you aren't the house they play in BUT your the Mom who is willing to drive them to the batting cages and sit there while they hit, Your the Mom who takes them to the county fair, your the Mom who takes them to the arcade and sits in the car and reads a book, You give them a ride to the comic book store, When they were younger you were the one who would walk to the playground with them after dinner and sat and pretended you didn't know them! you get the idea! There are many ways to reciprocate , it doesn't have to be with playing in your house. But you do have to reciprocate somehow.

I was just going to suggest this. My middle daughter has one friend that she has had for years and has never been inside her home. They always say their house is too small and messy, but they still invite DD to do events at their church, to go to the movies, etc. If you aren't comfortable having people over just arrange to drive and chaperone--bowling, skating, mini golf etc. Your son is getting to the age where that is what they will want to do anyway.

Also, with as busy as your son is, he may not need a lot more social time than he is already getting. One of my DD's is like that and although I worry about her sometimes, it really just is how she is. I am also that way although her dad and sisters are not. I would be sure though that he is not following your cues about how messy the house is and has just resigned himself to not being able to have friends over.
 
Your guilty feeling is a good thing. We've all done things in parenting we wish we could change.

You're now thinking about putting your son's needs above your own need to feel like your house is "just right". For pete's sake, don't think too hard, just start initiating ways for him to host friends, whether at your home, or at the movies, McDonalds, the mall, whatever.

I have a neighbor who never has anyone to her home. She's a hoarder (which I know you're not). She actually called in professionals, but couldn't pull the trigger on getting rid of the clutter. They had helped her sort everything, but at the last minute, she couldn't part with stuff. She has 2 kids who have never had friends over. I really feel for all of them, because I think this is out of her control, and she's doing her best.

WE have a small house, so I have to stay on top of clutter. My rule is, any of us who bring something into the house, then we have to choose something to leave, either via donation, trash, whatever. I make it a point to keep the family room/kitchen somewhat tidy, because someone is always dropping by, and it causes me less stress that way.

Ironically, although I'm a sahm now, my house was never so tidy as when I was working full time. 5 days a week, no one was home til dinnertime. By the time we got chores, homework etc out of the way, there wasn't a lot of time to make a mess.

Anyway, it's good to hear you're making this a priority. Every kid deserves to feel like it's okay to have friends over.
 
Your child needs friends....real friends....not just classmates that they play together at school or same team kids that play ball together but true friends. Some kids have a much harder time making that transition from classmates to friends and then parents need to step in. It's much harder at 10 than five, but not too late by any means. For his 10th birthday, suggest he think of one favorite classmate that he might like to do something fun with. Invite him to go to play laser tag or skating or what ever. If it goes well, invite the child over to hang out some other time and go from there.

At 10, playdates are a thing of the past. The kids get together to hang out or sleep over. Many times these things just happen naturally after swim team or a ball game etc. Watch who he talks to during these times and then maybe suggest they go with you to grab lunch or whatever after practice. Then let it evolve as it will.

House--It's tough to keep a house clean when you are so busy, but it is effecting everyone in your family and their social skills. Consider hiring a cleaning person. If you both work full time, maybe you can make that budget work. Consider taking one week-end a month and doing heavy cleaning. Whole family works together and you reward with pizza or takeout. Try giving each family daily chores, sweep one day , vacuum one days, bathrooms one day. Consider purchasing "concealing units". Larger decorative baskets or closed storage containers that match a rooms decor so a room can be de-cluttered in minutes. You still have to put it away later but it makes it quick when you know at the last minute friends are coming by. If you are uncomfortable with your home, offer to do the pick up and drop of the friends, offer to take them to the park to play, etc. Remember if you are out of the friends loop, parents will need to get to know you too. Entertaining families can be a great way to do this. Invite the family of a kid he like from the swim team over for a cook-out. If the house is still not where you are comfortable, you can close off some rooms and just make the bathroom accessible, have food all outside and relax and enjoy your guest! Parents need friends too:).
 
sounds like the issue is the mess in your house and how it impacts your ability to invite anyone over.

seems like a really easy fix.. clean up. /shrug
 














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