Unlimited FASTPASSES For $150.00

[Oglet]

Ahhh, but it is nice to dream, isn't it?

Maybe you could dream along with Mickey

 

[Disneyadore]

Disney Paris is doing this about a year now and it is a huge success.
These special fast passes are sold like hot buns. ( a friend of mine works there) They have a limited amount they sell so the fast pass lines don't get to long.
I wrote this before and again Disney is looking for a way to make more money on every single service they have. You can bet than in a few years the Deluxe concierge rooms and suites will get these passes with there package and those who want them can buy them.
This is a perfect way to give every one an equal change to enjoy unlimited access to the rides. O and no doubt the prices for these special rooms will also be raised.

 

[GOLFDISNEY72]

Not sure why they would change a system that works. Nevermind I know why $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Disneyadore]

You guys don't get it. You wouldn't need to by 4 of the UNLIMITED Fastpasses. That doesn't even make sense. If they are unlimited why would you need to buy more than one? You can get as many FP's as you want with just that one Unlimited FP for $150, not $300, not $450, not $600, $150.

Unlimited as in unlimited accesses to the attractions.
For example you can do TOT the whole day,you just have to get in the FP line again.

It will be a separated pass with the date very big and clear visible and every single persons has to show one. You don't need to get a FP at the machines. Just hold up the special pass and off you go. We used them in Paris and if this kind of passes will be sold in WDW we will buy them without hesitation. They are really miraculous.

 

[doconeill]

Unlimited as in unlimited accesses to the attractions.
For example you can do TOT the whole day,you just have to get in the FP line again.

It will be a separated pass with the date very big and clear visible and every single persons has to show one. You don't need to get a FP at the machines. Just hold up the special pass and off you go. We used them in Paris and if this kind of passes will be sold in WDW we will buy them without hesitation. They are really miraculous.

We don't know what form this will take yet. Remember, this is a blue sky survey, and we're already designing the system for them like it will take effect tomorrow

If it is a fully unlimited, instant system, there is no sense in them forcing you to have to go to the system and get a FP like Disneyadore says. Just show the pass, and everyone would have to have their own. The possible exception is if they wanted to remove a Fastpass from the count whenever you wanted to use it.

 

[Metro West]

Universal doesn't charge anywhere near $150. At least they didn't used to. Even in July I could do this, day of at the park, for less than $50. If I'd "pre-purchased" the option it was like $20 or $25.

That's only on the once through the line Express Plus pass...not unlimited. The only way to get unlimited Express access is to stay onsite or purchase the VIP tickets. There are no discounts on Express Plus passes so unless you're talking about some sort of package, you would not have saved any money by purchasing the EPs ahead of time.

 

[doconeill]

That's only on the once through the line Express Plus pass...not unlimited. The only way to get unlimited Express access is to stay onsite or purchase the VIP tickets. There are no discounts on Express Plus passes so unless you're talking about some sort of package, you would not have saved any money by purchasing the EPs ahead of time.

Perhaps the confusion is that US prices the EP variably according to demand...its cheaper when the parks are less crowded (when you otherwise don't really need it...), and more expensive when it would have more value. It ranges from $19.99 to $59.99.

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

Perhaps the confusion is that US prices the EP variably according to demand...its cheaper when the parks are less crowded (when you otherwise don't really need it...), and more expensive when it would have more value. It ranges from $19.99 to $59.99.

No surprise here...But then Universal isn't Disney is it? Who wouldn't expect Universal to persue a profit first motive? But Disney? The "magic" people? The guest first people? No say it ain't so.

 

[PHILCT]

Disney is on record for creating patents for all kinds of Fast Pass Machines that can handle giving Onsite Guests giving so many fast passes a day and similar other marketing concepts.

Disney is not owned by the family anymore. It is a traded stock company, and the shareholders want more profit.

Disney could charge for fast passes if they did it in a very limited number.

Disney could also try to use the ploy of so many free fast passes per person per day, just like it uses the ploy of free dining.

No matter what, Disney will NOT overload the use of this perk, but it will inevitably start marketing it at WDW in the future. They already have started doing this at other locations.

You may not want this to happen, but it will probably happen.

Imagine they offered 2 free fast passes per day per person at DELUXE only rooms purchased at the rack rate. It is a legitimate marketing ploy.

Today if you have a legitimate complaint and are nice in explaining it to either the resort Concierge or Guest Relations, it ends up often in guess what, Free Anywhere Fast Passes. Free Instant Fast Passes are already a tool in use at WDW, it is just for a limited select few. Marketing at Disney is quite aware of untapped opportunities in this area.

Take a tour of DVC and guess what, you might get some free fast passes.

Hey, I hate free dining, and the dining plan, it has ruined some of the restaurants. Yet I know all those who love the dining plan and free dining, and never want to go back to a system that existed before it. You might be one of those who would scream if you lost your free dining some day. It didn't stop people to go to Disney when they started the dining plan perks and filled up the restaurants to capacity, and everyone lost the walk in capability. The system changed, and Disney knew how to market it to us.

It won't stop Disney from doing some limited fast passes for those willing to pay cash or to buy deluxe packages , because they know there is a "MARKET" for it, in limited numbers. I don't think Disney would allow unlimited fast passes on any one ride, and would still require a time limit between each one.

 

[nytimez]

No surprise here...But then Universal isn't Disney is it? Who wouldn't expect Universal to persue a profit first motive? But Disney? The "magic" people? The guest first people? No say it ain't so.

I admire your belief in an altruistic Disney. But the company has been about profits for decades now, every bit as much as Universal if not more. Disney is absolutely cutthroat in its pursuit of profits and revenue, and their shareholders expect them to be (and could even sue the company if it did not pursue a profit motive first).

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

I admire your belief in an altruistic Disney. But the company has been about profits for decades now, every bit as much as Universal if not more. Disney is absolutely cutthroat in its pursuit of profits and revenue, and their shareholders expect them to be (and could even sue the company if it did not pursue a profit motive first).

Oh I agree. I only use such hyperbole because there is a huge set of posters who tout Disney as a market player (which they absolutely are) yet somehow still believe they (the Co.) believes in what people refer to as 'Disney Magic' (which the Co. still believes in at the marketing dept. level only).

I still believe in the basic Disney way. Walt's personal credo that was simply quality, quality, quality. Do it right or don't do it. Exceed the guests expectations. Because Walt proved over and over again, and then Pixar did it again, that Quality should be the bottom line and the bottom line should NOT be the bottom line.

In this conversation, I fully expect Disney in the US to very shortly implement a 'pay for' FP system that will be a huge benefit to those with oodles of cash only because this is the Disney way.

 

[jade1]

Disney could charge for fast passes if they did it in a very limited number.

No matter what, Disney will NOT overload the use of this perk,

Take a tour of DVC and guess what, you might get some free fast passes.

I agree, otherwise the FP return line could get bigger than the regular line.

We did take the BLT tour and all 5 of us got 4 FP's each to use over the next 3 days. It was great-obviously we used them on the hard to get on rides, and when they were long sold out for the day. We tend to stay out late and sleep in-so we got TSM, RNR, Soarin and EE all late in the day with zero wait time-instead of 90 min plus sold out anyway.

When I think about it-all it did was not penalize us for our vacation habit of staying out and sleeping in-why penalize for that? Good call WDW.

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

Disney is on record for creating patents for all kinds of Fast Pass Machines that can handle giving Onsite Guests giving so many fast passes a day and similar other marketing concepts.

Disney is not owned by the family anymore. It is a traded stock company, and the shareholders want more profit.

Is there a law or something that says companies whose stock is publicly traded can only make profit by being unimaginative and greedy?

Disney could charge for fast passes if they did it in a very limited number.

Why a "very limited number"? Do you think they care about the cheapo guests who can't afford the upgrade? Remember they have to please the stockholder.

Disney could also try to use the ploy of so many free fast passes per person per day, just like it uses the ploy of free dining.

No matter what, Disney will NOT overload the use of this perk, but it will inevitably start marketing it at WDW in the future. They already have started doing this at other locations.

Again, why will they"NOT overload the use of this perk..." Why would they not maximize this option to the optimum potential ... The whole maximize profits for the stockholder thing.

You may not want this to happen, but it will probably happen.

Agreed.

Imagine they offered 2 free fast passes per day per person at DELUXE only rooms purchased at the rack rate. It is a legitimate marketing ploy.

Today if you have a legitimate complaint and are nice in explaining it to either the resort Concierge or Guest Relations, it ends up often in guess what, Free Anywhere Fast Passes. Free Instant Fast Passes are already a tool in use at WDW, it is just for a limited select few. Marketing at Disney is quite aware of untapped opportunities in this area.

Take a tour of DVC and guess what, you might get some free fast passes.

They have to give the complaining masses something and again, they don't care about theme park ride lines anyway.

Hey, I hate free dining, and the dining plan, it has ruined some of the restaurants. Yet I know all those who love the dining plan and free dining, and never want to go back to a system that existed before it. You might be one of those who would scream if you lost your free dining some day. It didn't stop people to go to Disney when they started the dining plan perks and filled up the restaurants to capacity, and everyone lost the walk in capability. The system changed, and Disney knew how to market it to us.

Marketing is the one thing current Disney knows how to do really well. Walt would be so proud.

It won't stop Disney from doing some limited fast passes for those willing to pay cash or to buy deluxe packages , because they know there is a "MARKET" for it, in limited numbers. I don't think Disney would allow unlimited fast passes on any one ride, and would still require a time limit between each one.

Agreed and disagree. If there is a market they will exploit it. They will not care about any fairness or crowd ramifications, they will do whatever has the highest return.

JMO, of course.

 

[doconeill]

Is there a law or something that says companies whose stock is publicly traded can only make profit by being unimaginative and greedy?

Not so much a law, but the ability of stockholders to sue the corporation for not putting their interests ahead of the consumer...

 

[mom2rtk]

So in thinking Disney would make it just a "LIMITED" number of unlimited fastpasses available..........

............would that be the same definition of "LIMITED" they use to describe how many tickets they will sell for MNSSHP and MVMCP?

Cuz if it is........ WATCH OUT!

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

Not so much a law, but the ability of stockholders to sue the corporation for not putting their interests ahead of the consumer...

So again, is there a reason imagination and / or quality is being equated with less profit?

I would think a well planned attraction, designed to be great today and tomorrow even if much more expensive today could easily be qualified as to the profits tomorrow vs. that on a less expensive, less imaginative alternative. Think DCA. If Disney had just bit the bullet in the first place and built it "right", they wouldn't be double spending now. Which would have been the better business move?

I know what the MBA's see, it's the lure of the short term gratification that wall st. likes so much but it's managements job to show stockholders why sometimes more is less or less is more. It has nothing to do with being careless with stockholders money and a Company does have a choice as to what business model they will be pursuing.

 

[Oglet]

Disney itself is the best argument for quality and sometimes spending more to make it great and not just good enough.

I believe Disneyland cost somewhere around 17 million dollars to build back in the mid/early 50's No doubt quite a huge chunk of change and many people thought the whole concept was crazy.

There is a reason why some 55 years later that 17 million dollars keeps generating quite good profits and has resulted in numerous spinoffs around the world, its all about quality and being different.

IF Disney was a public company back then and IF somehow Walt had managed to somehow talk stockholders into this crazy little project which would have cut their profits for many years I am quite sure that they would be very happy with the return on their investment.

Granted countless upgrades, improvements, refurbs and changes have been made over those years which have cost who knows how much money over 55 years.

I am not a lawyer and don't pretend to be but from someone who does love the company as both a CM and a Guest I get very frustrated and annoyed as all the cost cutting and shortcuts that are being taken to save a buck because of the fear that shareholders will be/could be upset and threaten to sue. One could almost argue that raping the company and pursuing profits at all cost is actually doing more harm than good considering Disney made its name on Quality and being different

Its the short term investors who will be upset by the spending, any long term investor will no doubt see that sometimes large capital expenditure is needed to provide a large long term profit.

We cast members are required to take a class called "The Basics" from time to time, its a class that is about 3 hours long that reminds us of the the Disney Basics and how important little things like how we smile, offer to help and body language can impact a guest and their perception of the company. Well I say its about time Disney took their own Basics class and got back to their roots, show some vision and take control of the company and get it back on the right track. If money needs spent to protect the image, reputation and overall perception of the company then do whatever is needed.

55 Years is a long time no matter what business you are talking about and I seriously doubt that if Disneyland had started out the way we are running the company now it would even be in business today.

 

[tsme]

If it's for the whole stay, yes, if it's per day, no.

 

[ChrisFL]

Disney itself is the best argument for quality and sometimes spending more to make it great and not just good enough.

I believe Disneyland cost somewhere around 17 million dollars to build back in the mid/early 50's No doubt quite a huge chunk of change and many people thought the whole concept was crazy.

There is a reason why some 55 years later that 17 million dollars keeps generating quite good profits and has resulted in numerous spinoffs around the world, its all about quality and being different.

IF Disney was a public company back then and IF somehow Walt had managed to somehow talk stockholders into this crazy little project which would have cut their profits for many years I am quite sure that they would be very happy with the return on their investment.

Granted countless upgrades, improvements, refurbs and changes have been made over those years which have cost who knows how much money over 55 years.

I am not a lawyer and don't pretend to be but from someone who does love the company as both a CM and a Guest I get very frustrated and annoyed as all the cost cutting and shortcuts that are being taken to save a buck because of the fear that shareholders will be/could be upset and threaten to sue. One could almost argue that raping the company and pursuing profits at all cost is actually doing more harm than good considering Disney made its name on Quality and being different

Its the short term investors who will be upset by the spending, any long term investor will no doubt see that sometimes large capital expenditure is needed to provide a large long term profit.

We cast members are required to take a class called "The Basics" from time to time, its a class that is about 3 hours long that reminds us of the the Disney Basics and how important little things like how we smile, offer to help and body language can impact a guest and their perception of the company. Well I say its about time Disney took their own Basics class and got back to their roots, show some vision and take control of the company and get it back on the right track. If money needs spent to protect the image, reputation and overall perception of the company then do whatever is needed.

55 Years is a long time no matter what business you are talking about and I seriously doubt that if Disneyland had started out the way we are running the company now it would even be in business today.

Agreed. One thing which may seem like a small deal to us, but IMO is key when discussing the way the parks are run...

When Walt wanted to visit one of his attractions, he would stand in line...just like the rest of the guests. He didn't believe in going backdoor, skipping ahead and riding as a "VIP".

I believe the reason is that he wanted to make sure that the guest experience was good and, I would think that he also considered how many things can be missed in the queue and not seen to be fixed, if you're constantly going backdoor to the attractions.

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

Agreed. One thing which may seem like a small deal to us, but IMO is key when discussing the way the parks are run...

When Walt wanted to visit one of his attractions, he would stand in line...just like the rest of the guests. He didn't believe in going backdoor, skipping ahead and riding as a "VIP".

I believe the reason is that he wanted to make sure that the guest experience was good and, I would think that he also considered how many things can be missed in the queue and not seen to be fixed, if you're constantly going backdoor to the attractions.

LOL. Can you imagine Iger or Eisner waiting in line!