Unless JK Rowling sharpens her quill, Universal is living on borrowed time

HP is going to be a golden ticket for Universal for a long time.

Especially considering that Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them is going to become a trilogy of films in their own rights? And HP continues to sell books and find new audiences. It's definitely a classic and there are people who would rather see HP World than Disney World.

I have friends in Europe that would take the trip just for HP World but not for Disney World because they feel contented with Disneyland Paris. So that's something too. HP World is such a golden ticket because HP has the fanbase for it and will continue to for a long time.
 
I don't think the HP enthusiasm will die anytime soon. Even less with the new expansion opening soon...

And I think Universal/IOA is solid enough to survive without any of the HP attractions. They have amazing rides in both parks.

I never get tired of visiting.
 
Even if there is never another Harry Potter book, movie, website, etc created it is so ingrained into the lives of two generations that it will continue to have an audience for years to come, and if it ever does fall out of popularity it would be years from now and Universal would prob be ready to move onto the next big thing anyway having squeezed every penny they can out of the franchise...
 
Harry Potter will be timeless, and I'm not even a fan (yet)- I haven't read any of the books, and just watched the first movie last week because my 5 year old wanted to.

But, Star Wars is that way too. And I guess I'm neutral on this issue, because I'm not a huge Star Wars fan either (I've at least seen those though!). If/when Disney decides to play that card to its fullest potential, it will be huge. What they're waiting for exactly- I'm not sure...
 

I can understand why someone would think that HP isn't going to maintain its popularity. I disagree, but I can understand it.

I don't understand how somebody who thinks that about HP doesn't feel worse about Avatar. Avatar made tons of money, but I don't think for a second it has even half the staying power that HP does. Now Avatarland may be awesome and can bring people in without needing to love the movies, but comparing franchise to franchise it's not even close IMO.
 
I disagree on the Avatar front. Sure there are more movies in the pipeline but as of now, the novelty of Avatar has worn off to many. It's not uncommon to see Harry Potter merchandise in stores even though it's been a while since the last book/movie, but I am willing to bet it would be difficult to find some type of Avatar merch in a store. That speaks to the present popularity. Maybe it will be revived when the next Avatar movie comes out, but I think the pretty large gap in between isn't helping it.

In addition, Harry Potter seems to have a more broad appeal than Avatar. Yes Avatar drew in a ton of money and was one of the most successful movies, but if I ask 10 people I know - maybe only half have seen it and only half of the ones who have seen it actually liked it.

I wish Disney would capitalize on Star Wars over Avatar. Maybe they will do both. Marvel would be cool too but I think they are restricted due to Universal's dealings with Marvel. I was glad to hear on the podcast that Avatar land looks like it will be pretty small, so maybe it is just being overhyped.
 
I think HP has at least enough staying power for a decade, maybe more, on the basis of what others have already suggested... it's well known by current generations.

The obvious (and relevant) comparison I'd offer would be Star Wars, which had a ride in DHS back in the early 90s, that was popular even more than a decade after the first trilogy, and nearly a decade before the next trilogy started. And it has remained a popular piece of IP for at least some portion of the population (else how does one explain the enthusiasm for Star Wars weekends?) I have no reason to doubt HP can hold a similar level of popularity, maybe even more so, since it appeals to a wider audience.

The one point on which I'll have to disagree with a PP, however, is that Disney made a mistake by not winning this bid, and can't compete. I don't see Disney dying any time soon as a result of not having Potter. It's been popular for Universal, but even with that said, to conclude it was a "mistake" for Disney to not get it is frankly a bit short-sighted:

The value of the investment is based, at least in part, not just on the appeal of the IP, but what it might represent in terms of incremental growth for the company. In the case of Universal, one might argue that prior to getting HP, their popularity was pretty stagnant, and customer loyalty was not exactly their forte. Adding HP represents a huge influx of capital from guests who visit Orlando without hitting Universal, and possibly a handful of visitors who come to Orlando solely to see HP.

Had Disney purchased HP, their incremental growth would have been almost exclusively from those guests making a special trip to Orlando to see Potter. Sure, those already visiting would have loved seeing HP at Disney, but since the overwhelming portion of vacation-goers to the Orlando area are already including a visit to Disney (if not an outright Disney vacation), HP would not really represent much new growth.

Consider also that Disney is already well known through much of the world, particularly Western Europe and South America, and gets a pretty good influx of guests from those locations (even just once-in-a-lifetime visitors). I am not under the impression that Universal is nearly as well known and legendary outside of the US, and can't say I've ever heard of someone taking a trip to the states to visit Universal.

One last point to consider is that the failure of Disney to reach an agreement with Rowling may also have been related to the specifics of her involvement in the project. It's already pretty well established that she had considerable control over how certain aspects of Wizarding World are designed, and even some of the operational details (no sale of Coke, IIRC?). It's very possible that Disney simply was not willing to acquiesce to her demands on that front. And who could blame them if that were the case? Disney's strongest selling point has always been in design, immersion, details, and story; they create an experience that many find more enjoyable even in spite of rides themselves that are, on paper, inferior, to some others (thrill rides come to mind).

So, basically, I don't think HP will run it's course for many years still, and (despite not having seen it myself yet) think it's a great addition to Universal. But that doesn't mean necessarily that Disney lost out or somehow made a mistake.
 
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I disagree. Harry Potter is my generations Star Wars. Everyone I know read it and we will read it to our children, and I do think there will be spin-offs like Star Wars has had to keep the hype going. I think it was a good decision by Universal.
 
Harry Potter has as much chance of dying out in popularity as Star Wars...which is to say, NONE.
 
I disagree wholeheartedly. The Harry Potter stories have become classics when it comes to children's literature and sit next to such famed texts as Charlotte's Web, The Chronicles of Narnia, etc. Over 400 million copies of the books have been sold worldwide and the original texts have been translated into 68 different languages. Every year, new Harry Potter fans are created as the next generations discover the series.

This is something that dawned on me last year in my classroom. It was then that I realized I was teaching a new group of children who knew nothing of the midnight release parties and Potter fandom that swept the nation back in the late 90s. While some of them had seen the movies, not all did and few read the books. This was the case again with this year's students. I have made sure to have the texts available as a result. They have been flying off of the shelves ever since.

In terms of new content, JK Rowling has released new content and more is to come. Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them (2001) and Quidditch through the Ages (2001) were released and are now being made into a movie triology. The Tales of Beedle the Bard came out in 2007. In 2011, Pottermore, an interactive website by Rowling, was born and includes new content. Later in 2012, it was confirmed that she is currently writing the Harry Potter Encyclopedia. This February, new covers debuted to commemorate the 15th U.S. release of the books which sparked more sales and, again, new fans.

New content is coming, and I think Universal will continue to profit off of it for years to come. Disney made a major mistake not winning the bid for Harry Potter rights in its parks. I honestly don't know how they will compete.

Very well stated Nikki.

I have been a Disney fan having grown up with the movies through my childhood and subsequently indoctrinated my own children.

However they are big Potter, Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones fans.
They would forego WDW for USF rather than USF for WDW :worried: Hogwarts and the imminent Diagon Alley are big reasons for their love affair with Universal.
I do not see them changing that view point for some time.

Whilst I am in charge of trip planning and footing the bill WDW will always be my first choice but USF has become a greater part of our Orlando vacations :goodvibes
 
As a Disney AND Universal fan, I hope Harry Potter keeps drawing in the crowds. A strong Universal is only a good thing. It keeps Disney needing to compete. A fat, lazy Disney is bad news for all of us. This back and forth between the two is fantastic.
 
Agree with poster who said that Potter is this generation's Star Wars. Coming from the Star Wars generation myself, I think it's hard for a lot of people to understand that. The Potter "brand" is also being controlled quality wise in way I think all of us Star Wars fans wish George Lucas would have done. The recent Star Tours revamp and the story of the Imagineer bringing up that the Hoth segment doesn't fit into continuity (and was told "Who cares?") tells you every thing you need to know about how much TLC is being put into characters and worlds the fans love. I have even LESS faith that a corporation and 50 layers of management is going to put 1/10th the amount of effort in controlling the quality of the Star Wars brand as Rowling is with Potter.

Also glad that posters brought up the obvious, more "Potter" stuff is coming. Rowling herself is writing the screenplays for the Fantastic Beasts trilogy and is it that hard to imagine her writing some prequels based around Harry's Dad (and Sirius etc? Say the rise and fall of Voldemort) or a series set with Harry's kids in the future? Not that it even needs it as the original 7 books and 8 films connect with an audience in a way that something like Avatar can only dream about (and I say that as a HUGE fan of Avatar.)
 
You do know there are several more HP related movies coming out in the future, all with JK at the helm? Quidditch Through the Ages, Fantastic Beasts? There's also the official set tour in Leavesden, England. This isn't something that will just fade away, just like that.
 
in just a few years here, the kids who cut their big kid reader teeth on HP books may start having kids of their own. what parent searching for reading material for their own kids doesn't immediately look to the books they loved as a child? it's not going anywhere.
 
I still wonder. At Halloween, I had no HP trick-or-treaters and at least three Star Wars trick-or-treaters.

HP World was not wheelchair-friendly when we were there over a year ago. Although it's technically ADA compliant, when you add all the people, there's not many places wheelchair users can go. They were so concerned about being 'accurate', wheelchairs were overlooked. DS could go on none of the rides.

It was pretty, tho.
 
I still wonder. At Halloween, I had no HP trick-or-treaters and at least three Star Wars trick-or-treaters.

HP World was not wheelchair-friendly when we were there over a year ago. Although it's technically ADA compliant, when you add all the people, there's not many places wheelchair users can go. They were so concerned about being 'accurate', wheelchairs were overlooked. DS could go on none of the rides.

It was pretty, tho.

How is this legal? :confused:
 
At this point I'm not sure it matters how popular HP remains as long as Universal continues to pump out quality attractions on a regular basis. Out in California USH has shown remarkable growth over the last few years and HP isn't even scheduled to open up there until 2016. I think HP gave USF a foundation to build on, and now that they are perceived as a legitimate vacation destination they just need to keep the momentum going.
 
How is this legal? :confused:

Technically, it's compliant. If aisles are measured [which requires empty stores], they meet requirements. But when people crowd in there, no way DS is going to fit thru.
Rides with a wheelchair car, even at WDW [which goes above & beyond], are limited in number. Many amusement parks have no rides that do not require ability to transfer.
 
I haven't been to Universal Resort since 2001. We are going at the end of this month for three days. The biggest reason I want to go is HP. I only read the last book but did watch all the movies. I'm not a big fan of HP but this area of IOA looks amazing. I can't wait. Also I'm getting a AP so I can go back next year.
 













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