Unfair :(

[Robo]

I expect that it will continue to be a better perk for onsite than offsite unless they come up with a way to charge for FP+.


Offsiters having to line up to get same day FP+ looks all too likely IMO.

I don't think that's too likely.

If that was the case, it is simply NOT "FP+."

It would be "FP Old... except you pick up 3 at once."

 

[Planogirl]

I don't think that's too likely.

If that was the case, it is simply NOT "FP+."

It would be "FP Old... except you pick up 3 at once."

True.

 

[garjanjones]

I'm the last one to defend FP+ simply based on the lack of information regarding the entire system, but the one thing I don't think people have any right to complain about is preferred treatment that on-site resort guests receive. Sorry, but that's life. Disney SHOULD offer better incentives to guests willing to shell out the money to stay on property.

Agreed. If you want these perks, then stay on property. It's the same as EMH. It's just that everyone has had time to get used to the EMH rules.

 

[Robo]

Agreed. If you want these perks, then stay on property. It's the same as EMH. It's just that everyone has had time to get used to the EMH rules.

But, FP+ is not designed to be an "on-site perk."

 

[Planogirl]

But, FP+ is not designed to be an "on-site perk."

Plus it's replacing FP- which people both onsite and off have grown accustomed to. Should people just be happy when WDW takes something away? (If they do.)

 

[FlightlessDuck]

Universal gives the option to purchase the privilege. Not apples to apples.

I wouldn't pay for the privilege to beta test this trainwreck. The OP should feel lucky.

 

[ShayBells]

I wouldn't pay for the privilege to beta test this trainwreck. The OP should feel lucky.

I don't know why but this literally made me lol. Train wreck indeed.

I can't help it though I still have faith



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[dbramer]

I'm sorry for yet another Fastpass+ rant, however I leave this week to disney world and I'm not feeling this trip

We have a timeshare so staying off site, but let me get this straight:

Current resort guests are able to make Fastpass+ reservations AND pull regular fastpasses at the parks?

If so then no wonder all the fastpasses are gone so early! How unfair to the rest of us!!!!

I swear if I'd known about this before I purchased my park tickets I would have skipped Disney all together this year.

*sign* I will try to make the best of it, any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks for listening.

I have been checking wait times and FP- availability via Touringplans App and the longest wait times I saw today, on a Saturday, was 34 minutes in the MK for Rapunzel, 45 mins at TSMM, and 40 mins for Soarin'. FP- were available as late as 1 PM for all the headliners...last week or two were aberrations regarding availability and crowds. I think there was a glitch with the FP system that caused them to run out so early...my opinion only....it seems the logical reason....Don't sweat not being able to pull FP- for headliners...you will be fine....btw Epcot was listed as a park to avoid today and the lines were very reasonable for the headliners.....

 

[Granny square]

I wouldn't pay for the privilege to beta test this trainwreck. The OP should feel lucky.

Lol, good point!

 

[Jeslynb]

i wouldn't pay for the privilege to beta test this trainwreck. The op should feel lucky.

+1

 

[Luvchefmic]

Disney is an ever-evolving business...they are always looking to update and add so that people keep coming back...

The nature of the beast is that there will most likely not be one part of the year that doesn't miss out on something...whether that is refurbishments, construction and testing...all of these things can't happen separately from the park/resorts operating because it directly affects how they work...

Did I...or any other guest at the time, spend a lot of money to go last December and have that beautiful view of the Castle marred by a ginormous crane? Nope and it was disappointing at first but I didn't make it a big deal because I knew in a year and a half, it would be worth it to be able to go on a great new mine coaster...

That same trip, we were picked for FP+, pre-bands...got told about a week prior to leaving...we didn't even use them all because we weren't willing to move around our parks for the 4 days with all the holiday events we were trying to fit in....but that was ME guests only and only if you arrived on a few select days, not every onsite guest got them...

We were able to go again in August...yes there were testing onsite guests...but not all of us...we were at GF with no testing yet Pop was testing...should I have gotten mad that I paid more for a deluxe room than a guest did for a value room yet didn't get that "perk" of testing? Did I plan that trip for 8 months just to not be given the same options as other onsite guests? No I didn't and I would have loved to try the MBs...my kids have sensory issues (my daughter wouldn't wear the party bracelet the first time because of how it felt). I would have liked being a Guinea pig even to just let them know how it works for guests with sensory issues...

Not even a 3 months ago, half of the onsite guests were in the same boat that off site guests are in now but again, that is how testing works...first it was us on ME, then it was certain resort guests, now onsite and next will be all guests...and my guess is that for a short time during a full park test they will probably still keep the old FP open as that large roll out when all guests have access work out the kinks...

I'm not a Disney apologist but being that I work in public schools, I am big on perspective...and I don't mean that someone always has it worse and just be thankful you're at Disney. Is it disappointing when it feels like you are being left out? Yup...and it's more than understandable to be angry, frustrated, upset, concerned...that's what you feel when things don't go accordingly to planned...

If you go every year or two, it sucks when things are not available (Jungle Cruise down for almost the whole month of August kinda sucked!) but I know next time I will get to experience them...

For those families that scrimp and saved....yeah that was us out first trip as well. We saved and planned and being that neither one of us went as kids, we thought that yearly trips would be out of the question and that we should make that one the best we could...yeah, well that first magical walk down Main Street had the beautiful background sounds of my kids crying from being overtired...the pictures of their first character meal...well didn't happen as my son flipped out running into Donald in the restaurant and needing to be carried out while he melted down...everything that could go wrong pretty much did but it was still great! We thought it was our one trip so even with everything falling apart and little understanding of how it all worked since I didn't research like I do now...it was still magical cause we never thought we would be able to go...

In life, if there is anything we can count on, it's that things almost never go as planned...weddings, birthday parties, Disney or any other vacation...weather can change, things in your house or car break down and we can't control that. But in the end, I think we all end up enjoying these experiences overall...

To me this isn't saying Disney can do no wrong or that guests aren't justified in feeling shortchanged...businesses make mistakes (guests not knowing about refrigerator removals until they checked in was not great business this summer) and we have a right to get upset as consumers...but this really doesn't have to do with fairness as much as accepting that when there is an event that can take a long time planning, things will happen that we can't control...

totally agree with you Cadyrose

 

[snausman]

It is worth noting (again) that both SeaWorld and Universal successfully offer their less-limited versions of Fastpass (SW's Quick Queue and Universal's Express Pass) to both onsite guests and offsite visitors. For one group (onsite) its free. For the other (offsite) its an optional add-on. But both groups do have access to it, one way or the other.

Yes they do, but how was there testing period???? Everyone is forgetting that they have had this system for awhile now. But at some point they had to test it out. I mean really, do you think they said hey lets do a FP system that guest will pay for. I am sure they did a testing period also that made some guest mad, but you do have to test out a product, not just say, lets start selling that today without any testing at all.

Disney is doing the same thing here. They are testing it out. I think they have all the resorts now testing it and I am hoping by the first of the year they will offer it to everyone. Than all of these threads will be over.

Laura

 

[TDC Nala]

This techically isn't "preferred treatment." It's a test. They have to start testing the system with a finite group, and resort guests made sense.

Yes, it's bad luck to be staying offsite during the testing period.

 

[Granny square]

Yes they do, but how was there testing period???? Everyone is forgetting that they have had this system for awhile now. But at some point they had to test it out. I mean really, do you think they said hey lets do a FP system that guest will pay for. I am sure they did a testing period also that made some guest mad, but you do have to test out a product, not just say, lets start selling that today without any testing at all. Disney is doing the same thing here. They are testing it out. I think they have all the resorts now testing it and I am hoping by the first of the year they will offer it to everyone. Than all of these threads will be over. Laura

Oookkkkk...why does it matter so much to you that these threads exist? They aren't hurting anyone. No one is forced to read them or to agree.

 

[snausman]

Oookkkkk...why does it matter so much to you that these threads exist? They aren't hurting anyone. No one is forced to read them or to agree.

Huh????????? WOW, I did not say that this thread should not exist. And why would I not read it, as I was interested in the topic.

So by reading your comment is sounds like if I don't agree with you, than I can not read a thread or comment on a thread?????? Everyone has an option, this was mine.

Please do not put words in my mouth. I was just saying that everything needs to be tested out. If after all the testing is done and it is not offered to off site resort guest than its a huge problem.

Laura

 

[Planogirl]

Huh????????? WOW, I did not say that this thread should not exist. And why would I not read it, as I was interested in the topic.

So by reading your comment is sounds like if I don't agree with you, than I can not read a thread or comment on a thread?????? Everyone has an option, this was mine.

Please do not put words in my mouth. I was just saying that everything needs to be tested out. If after all the testing is done and it is not offered to off site resort guest than its a huge problem.

Laura

I think that some people are tired of being lectured as to why they are wrong and why they shouldn't keep on talking about this. I can't speak for the other DISer and I have no idea if you did any of that but I suspect that all of this makes some DISers a little sensitive.

 

[snausman]

Yes they do, but how was there testing period???? Everyone is forgetting that they have had this system for awhile now. But at some point they had to test it out. I mean really, do you think they said hey lets do a FP system that guest will pay for. I am sure they did a testing period also that made some guest mad, but you do have to test out a product, not just say, lets start selling that today without any testing at all.

Disney is doing the same thing here. They are testing it out. I think they have all the resorts now testing it and I am hoping by the first of the year they will offer it to everyone. Than all of these threads will be over.

Laura

I think that some people are tired of being lectured as to why they are wrong and why they shouldn't keep on talking about this. I can't speak for the other DISer and I have no idea if you did any of that but I suspect that all of this makes some DISers a little sensitive.

Did you read my post???? I was not lecturing anyone. Just that this is a test period. Also they kept using SW and U as an example of a system that works but they had to test that out too. And when I said, than all of these threads will be over, is hoping that after all the testing there is no more problems and everyone gets FP. Everyone please don't read more into a post than what is there. I really did not mean for it to be a lecture, just MHO.

Laura (sorry had to many Laura's in the post)

 

[supermomva]

I'm the last one to defend FP+ simply based on the lack of information regarding the entire system, but the one thing I don't think people have any right to complain about is preferred treatment that on-site resort guests receive. Sorry, but that's life. Disney SHOULD offer better incentives to guests willing to shell out the money to stay on property.

I stayed on site in Nov/Thanksgiving 2011 and went to MVMCP, parkhoppers, etc..the whole nine yards. It was a FANTASTIC trip...but now, as a last minute trip because the opportunity just presented itself, my husband and I are taking our 3 and a half year old down for three days right before Christmas. This is a trip just for her since she was only 18 months old last time and she is really into princesses right now. We are staying in a timeshare and if not, we wouldn't be able to go right now. I don't think it's fair to say we should suffer just because we aren't staying on site. Disney already gouges people in infinite ways already...why should the people who don't stay in their hotel suffer more? Our money for our tickets into the parks is just as green as those who pay to stay on site.

And I'm with the OP...If I had known about this dumb FP+ before booking, we would most likely go to NYC for Christmas instead....but alas, can't get my money back now.

 

[btk2333]

I stayed on site in Nov/Thanksgiving 2011 and went to MVMCP, parkhoppers, etc..the whole nine yards. It was a FANTASTIC trip...but now, as a last minute trip because the opportunity just presented itself, my husband and I are taking our 3 and a half year old down for three days right before Christmas. This is a trip just for her since she was only 18 months old last time and she is really into princesses right now. We are staying in a timeshare and if not, we wouldn't be able to go right now. I don't think it's fair to say we should suffer just because we aren't staying on site. Disney already gouges people in infinite ways already...why should the people who don't stay in their hotel suffer more? Our money for our tickets into the parks is just as green as those who pay to stay on site.

And I'm with the OP...If I had known about this dumb FP+ before booking, we would most likely go to NYC for Christmas instead....but alas, can't get my money back now.

I think the point is that you are not "suffering" by any stretch. You are still at Disney World. Nobody knows exactly what the final product will be and they are testing, things are changing on a frequent basis right now. It is not "unfair" and that's the wording I have such a hard time with.

It makes sense for Disney to make it more desirable to stay at their resorts because they make more money when people stay on property. I'm sure they have done countless analyses to determine whether they would rather have someone come every year and stay off property or come every 2-3 years and stay on property. They likely make more money if people come every other year and stay on property.

 

[aaarcher86]

I stayed on site in Nov/Thanksgiving 2011 and went to MVMCP, parkhoppers, etc..the whole nine yards. It was a FANTASTIC trip...but now, as a last minute trip because the opportunity just presented itself, my husband and I are taking our 3 and a half year old down for three days right before Christmas. This is a trip just for her since she was only 18 months old last time and she is really into princesses right now. We are staying in a timeshare and if not, we wouldn't be able to go right now. I don't think it's fair to say we should suffer just because we aren't staying on site. Disney already gouges people in infinite ways already...why should the people who don't stay in their hotel suffer more? Our money for our tickets into the parks is just as green as those who pay to stay on site. And I'm with the OP...If I had known about this dumb FP+ before booking, we would most likely go to NYC for Christmas instead....but alas, can't get my money back now.

Eh, I don't see it as 'suffering.' You're spending the same amount to get into the park but someone staying on property is giving them an additional amount of money. In order for people to pay the prices to stay on property there have to be extras given or no one would do it. You still have access to regular FP for now. And eventually it's supposed to be live for all. For now, on site guests get the enjoyment of this first. From a logical stand point I don't see it being unfair at all.