Unfair :(

[roomthreeseventeen]

You don't have to wear the MB.

 

[Postal68]

But what you are missing is that they are NOT paying the same price. They are paying at least $100 more per night for comparable accomodations. That $100 buys better access to the parks. If it didn't, they couldn't charge it, noone would pay it - the properties themselves just are not worth what they charge.

What you're missing is they ARE paying the same price

I'm staying at my house or a hotel in Orlando area
you are staying at The Grand Floridian

How much are you paying for a 5 day Park Hopper?
How much am I paying for a 5 Day Park Hopper?


end of discussion

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

What you're missing is they ARE paying the same price

I'm staying at my house or a hotel in Orlando area
you are staying at The Grand Floridian

How much are you paying for a 5 day Park Hopper?
How much am I paying for a 5 Day Park Hopper?


end of discussion

Assuming you're a Florida resident, if you're staying at your house, why are you buying a park hopper? You probably have an AP, and if you don't, you get a discount anyway.

 

[ArwenMarie]

What you're missing is they ARE paying the same price

I'm staying at my house or a hotel in Orlando area
you are staying at The Grand Floridian

How much are you paying for a 5 day Park Hopper?
How much am I paying for a 5 Day Park Hopper?


end of discussion

Huh?

Disney can do whatever they want with their parks and resorts. There is no "fair" here. They do, and will always do, what is best for their bottom line. Even now, there are extras with staying onsite, and Disney can change those as they please. Not to bring up a Universal discussion again, but their passes for resorts guests are the perfect example.

Now, I do feel sorry for the people who are getting caught in the middle of these changes and who didn't know all the rules because Disney hasn't put them out yet. That does stink.

 

[Postal68]

I also don't get why people think testers shouldn't get to use both FP. Obviously WDW thinks they should. I personally think they should shut it down if it is really as bad as what has been reported, but otherwise they are within WDW policy and have every right to them. We had 13 in our party and most days by 2 had 5 left in the park. You better believe we pulled all 13 FP and let the older kids ride Splash, Sapce, BTM etc 3 times each with them.

 

[mefordis]

I think Disney would be very smart to attach some FP+ perk with staying onsite. In fact, they are building more resorts because they want people staying onsite. How do they get more people onsite? FP+ !!!! Why is this so difficult to understand for some people?

As an offsite guest you buy a ticket and you DO have the same access to the park that everyone else has. You just might have to wait a bit longer in lines than the resort guests. So what?! That is the trade off for saving money and having larger accommodations offsite!

 

[maxiesmom]

Huh?

Disney can do whatever they want with their parks and resorts. There is no "fair" here. They do, and will always do, what is best for their bottom line. Even now, there are extras with staying onsite, and Disney can change those as they please. Not to bring up a Universal discussion again, but their passes for resorts guests are the perfect example.

Now, I do feel sorry for the people who are getting caught in the middle of these changes and who didn't know all the rules because Disney hasn't put them out yet. That does stink.

I don't know why people think Disney has to be fair. They can offer their on site guests all of the perks and benefits they like. And they do it at least in part to entice people to spend money at their resorts, and not off site. Your park pass just buys you admission to the parks. No where does it say that they will treat you the same as they treat their on site guests.

Makes perfect sense to treat on site guests better in an effort to get people to spend their money at a Disney resort, and not somewhere else. To me it is no different than stores who give their credit card customers better discounts than non card holders.

 

[Postal68]

Assuming you're a Florida resident, if you're staying at your house, why are you buying a park hopper? You probably have an AP, and if you don't, you get a discount anyway.

i was referring to a rental home

 

[Kemorr]

Exactly!! I think that you should be able to pay for it. I don't want to stay on site b/c there isn't enough space for my family. Not one single place that they offer is enough for me to enjoy a vacation for a week. Some people stay off site for this specific reason, not to save money. Our family will always pay for the upgrade for convenience on a vacation. Universal caters to that and got a lot more of our money on our last vacation. We are that family that even paid for the top tier valet parking so we didn't have to wait to have our car brought to us...it was parked right there in front of the gate. WDW needs to offer these perks at a cost to off site guest or they will lose out on a chunk of guests. Nothing WDW offers as an onsite incentive would get me to stay there with my family..unless they build much larger on site spaces.

I completely agree with this in terms of space. We like to stay at places with 4 bedrooms and Disney doesn't offer those. But, if you're willing to pay for any upgrade that offers convenience, do the VIP tours. FAR better than FP plus access any day.

 

[Gina-Gina-Bo-Bina]

If you stay off-site, you have to have a rental car. If you stay on-site (and assuming you're one of the folks who likes the busses, or at least finds them tolerable), then you can save yourself that money. You also save on the cost of a taxi from the airport.

Plus, there's always discounts available on the rooms at Disney resorts.

If you are looking for comparable (apples to apples) accommodations outside of Disney vs. on Disney property, then even with the cost of a rental car, you won't save money by staying onsite.

We had a two bedroom, two bathroom villa for the last week of August at SVR. Total cost was $120 per night. Our 8-night total was $960.

Same time frame....a similar unit at Disney (two bed/two bath) at Saratoga Springs has a rack rate, with tax, of $695 per night.

http://www.mousesavers.com/2014-saratoga-springs-room-rates-season-dates/#rates

Let's say I luck in on a 35% off deal. That brings the cost down to $486.50 per night, or $3892 for the same 8 nights.

That leaves us $2932 ahead. The rental vehicle was $290 taxes in (and that was a Jeep Grand Cherokee.....a full size car was half that). Gas? Let's say $100, just to be on the high side (we didn't even use $100, and that was with a round trip to Cocoa Beach and some other side trips, but its an easy number to use). Then let's deduct another $120 for parking ($15 a day x 8 days). No additional cost to get to and from the airport, as the rental car will do that nicely.

We're still $2422 ahead. If my numbers are off anywhere, feel free to correct me.

The only way you can get cheaper is to downgrade all the way down to a value level resort at 260 square feet. Then you can't compare a the two bedroom villa to the value level room, because its not an equal comparison. In that case, you should start comparing the price of the Disney value to, say......the Best Western Lake Buena Vista (definitely nothing more elaborate).

Even saying "well, staying offsite you can't get the dining plan, and the dining plan saves us money!", you could break it down like this.

For our family of 3, over 8 days, an offsite stay is $302.75 cheaper PER NIGHT even after the rental vehicle, parking and gas are all calculated inn. That's $100 per person, per day. I can't imagine the dining plan would save us $100 per person each and every day of our stay.

And remember....all these figures are assuming a 35% discount. That's a lofty assumption!

 

[Gina-Gina-Bo-Bina]

I think more than anything it's what you get for that $90 a night. I recently stayed at Wyndhams Bonnet Creek. For $109 a night we had a two bedroom condo. Bonnet Creek is one of the more expensive ones becuase it's kind of onsite, it's within the WDW gates, near Caribbean Beach resort. I think you could easily get a two bedroom condo for that or less a night at a lot of resorts in Orlando. For us it wasn't about cost so much as about the room to spread out.

Again, that's fine, but there's no need to complain about on-site people getting perks that you don't.

Where did this poster complain?

 

[LarryNabisco]

I have heard from a source that the number of fastpasses made available was/has been reduced, and that is where a lot of the problems are coming from.

It's in an effort to drive guests to the WDW resorts.

 

[Magpie]

If you are looking for comparable (apples to apples) accommodations outside of Disney vs. on Disney property, then even with the cost of a rental car, you won't save money by staying onsite.

We had a two bedroom, two bathroom villa for the last week of August at SVR. Total cost was $120 per night. Our 8-night total was $960.

Same time frame....a similar unit at Disney (two bed/two bath) at Saratoga Springs has a rack rate, with tax, of $695 per night.

http://www.mousesavers.com/2014-saratoga-springs-room-rates-season-dates/#rates

Let's say I luck in on a 35% off deal. That brings the cost down to $486.50 per night, or $3892 for the same 8 nights.

That leaves us $2932 ahead. The rental vehicle was $290 taxes in (and that was a Jeep Grand Cherokee.....a full size car was half that). Gas? Let's say $100, just to be on the high side (we didn't even use $100, and that was with a round trip to Cocoa Beach and some other side trips, but its an easy number to use). Then let's deduct another $120 for parking ($15 a day x 8 days). No additional cost to get to and from the airport, as the rental car will do that nicely.

We're still $2422 ahead. If my numbers are off anywhere, feel free to correct me.

The only way you can get cheaper is to downgrade all the way down to a value level resort at 260 square feet. Then you can't compare a the two bedroom villa to the value level room, because its not an equal comparison. In that case, you should start comparing the price of the Disney value to, say......the Best Western Lake Buena Vista (definitely nothing more elaborate).

Even saying "well, staying offsite you can't get the dining plan, and the dining plan saves us money!", you could break it down like this.

For our family of 3, over 8 days, an offsite stay is $302.75 cheaper PER NIGHT even after the rental vehicle, parking and gas are all calculated inn. That's $100 per person, per day. I can't imagine the dining plan would save us $100 per person each and every day of our stay.

And remember....all these figures are assuming a 35% discount. That's a lofty assumption!

Yeah... we stay at the Pop for about 100 dollars a night. So, that's quite comparable to the Best Western we'd otherwise stay at after we factor in the cost of a rental car, thanks.

And the Best Western doesn't have movies in the evening, or the same terrific cast members. Or the busses to the park (which, yes, we consider a selling point for the onsite resorts). We find the rooms equally suitable for our needs.

The only advantage the Best Western has is a free continental breakfast. But I just pack some porridge in our suitcase, and we're good to go at Disney.

 

[nugov2]

Yeah... we stay at the Pop for about 100 dollars a night. So, that's quite comparable to the Best Western we'd otherwise stay at after we factor in the cost of a rental car, thanks.

And the Best Western doesn't have movies in the evening, or the same terrific cast members. Or the busses to the park (which, yes, we consider a selling point for the onsite resorts). We find the rooms equally comfortable.

You do realize that stuff isn't exclusive to on site guests. You can watch the movies and take the buses even if you are off site. We enjoyed every single activity an on site guest enjoyed except for the pools.

 

[wen8jr]

I don't know why people think Disney has to be fair. They can offer their on site guests all of the perks and benefits they like. And they do it at least in part to entice people to spend money at their resorts, and not off site. Your park pass just buys you admission to the parks. No where does it say that they will treat you the same as they treat their on site guests.

Makes perfect sense to treat on site guests better in an effort to get people to spend their money at a Disney resort, and not somewhere else. To me it is no different than stores who give their credit card customers better discounts than non card holders.

I totally agree.

IMO kudos to Disney for doing something for the guests that stay onsite as onsite perks are lacking quite a bit but rates keep getting higher. And in my opinion this sells (it sells to me). We shopped offsite this trip, but prefer to stay onsite so we are and this helps make that decision on future trips as well. On our Disney trips Disney gets all our money: food, room, tickets, etc. so we should get a perk of some sort.

Comparable: we all know US has unlimited express pass if you stay onsite and their resort rates are a little higher than average but they are cheaper than a Disney Deluxe (however very comparable to a deluxe and actually I think they are better). I always stay onsite for express pass...so they get all my money. We absolutely love it and wouldn't do it any other way. And if you don't stay onsite, you can upgrade your ticket with a version of express pass (one per ride).

I've always wondered why Disney didn't have a perk like this. Most theme parks have an up charge for fast pass type systems, why wouldn't Disney incorporate this into their park ticket offerings? They could have been profiting from it the entire time in reality (all the way around).

The biggest issue I see right now is that those who are use to the current FP- are facing a change. I look at it like an adjustment period...gripe a while but accept the changes if you want to go to Disney for your vacation. If not, go somewhere else to prove you don't like it. If Disney park attendance goes down...they'll fix it to entice guests back, right?

 

[wen8jr]

You do realize that stuff isn't exclusive to on site guests. You can watch the movies and take the buses even if you are off site. We enjoyed every single activity an on site guest enjoyed except for the pools.

Just another reason guests need to be further enticed to continue to stay onsite.

 

[ahill004]

I don't understand why this is continuously debated. Yes right now the rollout is for onsite guests however disney has made it clear that FP+ WILL be available for onsite AND offsite equally once the rollout is complete. I've stayed both on and off site and enjoy both for different reasons. However, if I or anyone else chooses to stay onsite bc we like the magic we feel at the resorts Disney has not decided that entitles us to FP+ while those offsite are stuck with long standby lines. One of the few parts they've disclosed and stayed consistent with is that FP+ will continue to work like old FP w the exception that anyone w a ticket (not a disney onsite guest...just a park ticket) can book FP+ online in advance of their visit. All disney is doing with FP+ is moving it to online vs paper. Because of the potential difficulties with it during a rollout they are just doing it in stages so the system and CMs are not overwhelmed (anymore than they already are)! But ultimately ALL disney park guests will have equal access to FP+.
Now onsite guests will get magic bands which off site guests will likely have to purchase...but that is not tied to using FP+! That is completely different story!

 

[ShayBells]

Keep calm and carry on because...

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[Magpie]

You do realize that stuff isn't exclusive to on site guests. You can watch the movies and take the buses even if you are off site. We enjoyed every single activity an on site guest enjoyed except for the pools.

I suppose, but I probably wouldn't bother lurking around the Pop at night if I wasn't actually staying there.

 

[Planogirl]

I suppose, but I probably wouldn't bother lurking around the Pop at night if I wasn't actually staying there.

You wouldn't? I wouldn't but then I don't care for Pop.