Un-Disney-like Behavior

[Ride Junkie]

My DH and I were on a very romantic trip to WDW in September 2002. We'd had a wonderful day in the MK, and watched the fireworks. We were watching the castle and enjoying the beauty of the night as everyone was leaving. When the music started playing "So This is Love." DH asked me to dance and we began dancing right there in front of the castle. It was one of the most romantic moments in my life.

Or it would have been, except halfway through the song some guy came over, interrupted us, and told us to move so he could take pictures of the castle. It was unbelievably rude, like he couldn't wait one more minute, and absolutely ruined the moment.

{{sound of needle scratching across record}}
That's the sound I heard when I totally got into your story, then the goombah walks up and ruins your moment!! What a tool.
I want to dance in front of the castle now!

 

[Talking Hands]

And as for the wheelchair comment: it's more towards the way they run things at Disney then the peoples fault. I also know from a family member that works for Disney that people who get on buses with wheelchairs are allowed to sit in their wheelchair. And I know that they have to get on first. I assume that it goes by what the driver wants. And I'm not asking their family members to ride a different bus. I just think that they should have a different way to do things. This is not against the people, it's about Disney. I'm very greatful that no one in my family has to be in one and that we have our health. But I know that I am not the only one that feels this way. When you have been waiting in line for the sometimes slow bus service and have been on your feet most of the day (which yes is my own decision, no one makes me) and someone walks up and gets right on, it's a little upsetting. Unfortunately there is no way to solve this problem because that's the way things are run.

Wheelchair guests do not always get right on first. They wait as well at times. If the line is extremely long they are asked by the CM to wait. If they roll up after the driver has started loading the bus they have to wait as well.
Honestly only once have I had a driver as a guest to move and allow me to be loaded if there has been someone seated in that area. I had been waiting through 5 buses in the cold that night. Almost an hour and a half. Because they pick up from DTD first the buses had been either full or the lift had been broken. This driver took pity on me.

 

[Talking Hands]

We visited in Nov/Dec 2005 with an adult in our party who was wheelchair bound. We were a group of 13. I would never have dreamed of all of us getting on the bus with that person. We would just have one responsible person that was capable of pushing the wheelchair and the rest of us would wait in the normal bus line. If we didn't get on than we would meet at our destination. That only makes sense. I wouldn't go to WDW with anyone who would be upset by getting split up for less than a 1/2 hour. It may be what you can do but it doesn't make it the right thing to do.

Yes and you had responsible people to go with the wheelchair splitting up was not a problem. In my case it was me and my 2 daughters who were 16 and 12. Yes they could go by themselves but why should we be separated. It should not have happened. I don't travel in a huge group. At most we are 4 or 5. Now if I'm with my grandbaby we'll be 5 but we won't be on your bus as we have 3 of us in wheelchairs.

 

[Skroops]

I totally don't understand why people think it is rude to not give up your seat on a crowded bus. If you are at WDW to begin with, and not with a walking aid, you are perfectly capable of standing on a bus for a few minutes, or you are capable of waiting a few more minutes for the next bus in which you will be the first for a seat. (Which we do with our toddler when the park closes, and the buses are full). Everyone is tired and everyone is on vacation. The trouble with our society, as I see it, is the lack of personal responsibility, not the lack of courtesy.

 

[fancythemouse]

This past New Year's Eve at Disneyland, I was standing in the line for the Haunted Mansion (it was raining to boot) and this teenage couple in front of my friend and I were full on making out and not trying to hide it...granted, people are free to kiss and such, but this couple was just putting it out there and it was DISGUSTING...I was not a very happy camper >:-E BUT they did stop when they realized I was giving them dirty looks

Not to start anything & this wasn't at Disney World but nonetheless, but we (as a family) are against homosexuality (we're christian) and my uncle,aunt, and 3 lil kids were at Disneyland and my aunt saw two men full on making out. My aunt made sure that my uncle didn't see it because he would have said something about it.
I know we don't have the right to judge anyone but thats just gross; Disney is a FAMILY enviornment; I would have still said something if it were a heterosexual couple....prolly wouldve yelled 'GET A ROOM!'

 

[shellybaxter]

I totally don't understand why people think it is rude to not give up your seat on a crowded bus. If you are at WDW to begin with, and not with a walking aid, you are perfectly capable of standing on a bus for a few minutes, or you are capable of waiting a few more minutes for the next bus in which you will be the first for a seat. (Which we do with our toddler when the park closes, and the buses are full). Everyone is tired and everyone is on vacation. The trouble with our society, as I see it, is the lack of personal responsibility, not the lack of courtesy.

While I'm not sure whether it is rude to not give up a seat or not, I have to disagree with you about the personal responsibility. I have REALLY bad knees. When I'm in the parks I use a scooter, but I don't rent one for the whole time because they inconvienence other bus riders. You may be capable of standing on a bus for a few minutes, or waiting a few minutes for the next bus, but I'm not. For me it is very very painful to stand in one spot, or to try and "surf" the bus. Its also dangerous as I've fallen on a standing bus ride before and hurt my back. If you saw me standing in line you wouldn't think anything was really wrong with me. You might notice my limp a little as I make my way on the bus but thats about it.

I dont expect people to give me their seats and I always try to leave the parks either way before or way after closing time. That way its more likely that I'll get a seat. I try hard not to be a burden on others. I feel I am respectful and not rude and that I have a lot of personal responsibility. However, if common courtesy were still very common I don't think I'd have to worry so much about getting a seat on a bus

 

[paras4ri]

While watching Wishes last summer we were standing on Main Street, near Casey's. There was a family near us, with a small child in a stroller who was sobbing and calling for his mother. He cried throughout the entire show. I thought he was afraid of the fireworks but my DD, who was closest to him, said that the little one was crying for his mother to pick him up so he could SEE the fireworks - and she was telling him to be quiet and watch from the stroller. Everyone around them was standing, the poor kid probably only saw shoulders and heads!!!!

 

[Lizzybee]

Our un-Disney-like moment happened waiting in line to go from MGM back to POR. It was just my mom, my 2 kids (DD6 and DS10), and myself and this other family. The dad was horseplaying with his son probably about 10 like my son, he knocked his sons baseball hat off and grabbed it. When the son tried to grab the hat back, he accidently hit his dad where no dad should be hit. Now I understand based on men's reaction, this is painful, but this dad screamed at his son and used every bad word, including many "F bombs". It went on a couple of minutes. I can understand maybe a nasty word or two slipping out when you get hurt, but he was yelling at this boy as if the boy had done it on purpose.

This isn't really "un-Disney-like" in fact, based on the all the photo comments this may be perfectly normal behavior... My DD and I were on IASW, our fav ride to ride together, and this family in front of us wanted to take a ton of flash photos, which is fine, but they always turned around and faced the camera at me so it blinded me every time they took a picture. I can only hope that all of those prized pics had my squinty eyed crabby face in front of the little IASW dolls.

 

[Kick Save]

Not to start anything & this wasn't at Disney World but nonetheless, but we (as a family) are against homosexuality (we're christian) and my uncle,aunt, and 3 lil kids were at Disneyland and my aunt saw two men full on making out.

Ironically, I'm also Christian, and as such I can understand how any two people can truly love each other. (Not to start anything.) Making out in public is not a gender specific thing, it's usually frowned on no matter who's doing it. If two dudes want to make out at Disneyland I'd frown on it for the making out, not because of the sexuality implications. Do unto others...

For the record (since I don't want to start anything), married, hetero guy with two kids. Mom's a minister...who taught to respect love for the emotion it is not the genders of those involved.

 

[anneofgreengables]

And that ladies and gentlemen is what’s wrong with America. Common courtesy is no longer common. Unfortunately the situation as described by cornflkgirl is pretty accurate. If the world were different people would be considerate of each other. Those who could stand on the bus would gladly do so so others who needed to could sit. But in the same token those who were standing would never “expect” or feel “entitled” to a seat. The world has changed and not for the good in a lot of ways.

I was going to post something like that, but you beat me to it. My kids are small but I hope to raise them to be courteous, respectful and well-mannered adults. That doesn't mean I expect people to give up their seats on the bus. I don't at all. Because it rarely happens nowadays. And if it did, I'd be shocked. Or, rather, pleasantly surprised...

It is very refreshing to see young people give up their seats for the elderly, pregnant or moms with babies. What goes through my mind is, "What lovely kids. Their parents sure raised them well." I hope my children will become one of those teens who'll surprise people with their manners in this sometimes selfish, cynical world.

 

[poohluvr]

Geez... I'm about to cry just reading your post and imagining it! That is horrible.

For me, it would probably be when we were using a Fast Pass at Kilimanjaro Safari. As we were zooming through the FP line, past the regular line, a group of people in the line starting griping VERY loudly about how we were moving ahead of them. A man in the party even started heckling us, loudly. I never understood that at all. I mean, we had a FP, we weren't getting special treatment. They could have gotten them too.

But I certainly didn't let that ruin my fun.

We had a similar situation while going on Soaring. This man started yelling "we've been waiting for 2 hours and all these people are just walking on" I wanted so bad to ask him why he would wait 2 hours when you can FP, but I kept my mouth shut. When we were entering MGM my son had a problem with his ticket, the rest of us were already past the turnstiles and the CM refused to let him in the park, told him he had to go to Guest relations on the outside of the Park, so my older son wound up exiting and going with him over there, while I stayed with the younger one. I couldn't believe this CM was being such a jerk. We were there during Star Wars weekends, we had really good spots for the parade and this grown (very tall) woman decides she is going to try to squeeze in and stand right in front of us. I told her to move, so she stepped behind my son, then there was a little boy maybe 5 who looked like he was trying to find a spot, so I let him squeeze in and stand in front of me, the mom didn't even thank me.

 

[cornflkgrl]

Ironically, I'm also Christian, and as such I can understand how any two people can truly love each other. (Not to start anything.) Making out in public is not a gender specific thing, it's usually frowned on no matter who's doing it. If two dudes want to make out at Disneyland I'd frown on it for the making out, not because of the sexuality implications. Do unto others...

For the record (since I don't want to start anything), married, hetero guy with two kids. Mom's a minister...who taught to respect love for the emotion it is not the genders of those involved.

I just want to say that if you would feel uncomfortable with heterosexual couples making out AND homosexual couples making out and you "don't want to start anything," why even mention that they are homosexual? Why no just say "I saw a couple making out and it was gross" ???

 

[cornflkgrl]

Not to start anything & this wasn't at Disney World but nonetheless, but we (as a family) are against homosexuality (we're christian) and my uncle,aunt, and 3 lil kids were at Disneyland and my aunt saw two men full on making out. My aunt made sure that my uncle didn't see it because he would have said something about it.
I know we don't have the right to judge anyone but thats just gross; Disney is a FAMILY enviornment; I would have still said something if it were a heterosexual couple....prolly wouldve yelled 'GET A ROOM!'

Sorry, THIS is the post I meant to quote, not the reply post. Hope there is no confusion. I also wanted to add that I am a christian too and I am not against homosexuality.

 

[pta-mom]

While I'm not sure whether it is rude to not give up a seat or not, I have to disagree with you about the personal responsibility. I have REALLY bad knees. When I'm in the parks I use a scooter, but I don't rent one for the whole time because they inconvienence other bus riders. You may be capable of standing on a bus for a few minutes, or waiting a few minutes for the next bus, but I'm not. For me it is very very painful to stand in one spot, or to try and "surf" the bus. Its also dangerous as I've fallen on a standing bus ride before and hurt my back. If you saw me standing in line you wouldn't think anything was really wrong with me. You might notice my limp a little as I make my way on the bus but thats about it.

I dont expect people to give me their seats and I always try to leave the parks either way before or way after closing time. That way its more likely that I'll get a seat. I try hard not to be a burden on others. I feel I am respectful and not rude and that I have a lot of personal responsibility. However, if common courtesy were still very common I don't think I'd have to worry so much about getting a seat on a bus

I live in Ottawa, Canada and I don't think lacking manners, being rude or inconsiderate or not giving up one's seat on a bus (and no, I don't think this is necessarily all the same thing either) is just an American thing! It is world wide!!

I will say though that our buses have the front seats reserved for people with disabilities, pregnant women or people with babies with them. Now, this doesn't stop other people from sitting in them, just that if one of these afore-mentioned individuals get on, the un-spoken rule is those in the front seats get up to make room. This usually does happen. I would simply suggest, especially if you have an unseen disability that makes standing difficult, to give the passangers a chance to vacate their seat by asking them too....I for one would gladly move if someone told me that they were having a difficult time standing and needed the seat. And I would like to think, I would not be the only one!!

 

[maria & rossi]

A couple of years ago in MGM watching a parade an italian women tried to squeeze her dgd in front to watch the parade but another family who had been there longer were not very happy. At the end of the parade they started to yell at each other and the family that had been waiting longer shouted at her to go back to her own country.

 

[kimmikayb]

A couple of years ago in MGM watching a parade an italian women tried to squeeze her dgd in front to watch the parade but another family who had been there longer were not very happy. At the end of the parade they started to yell at each other and the family that had been waiting longer shouted at her to go back to her own country.

Oh that's sad, isn't it? We too, had problems with an Italian family during Illuminations. We had gotten our spot early because we were excited and wanted good spots for our DD4 and DS2. The family kept trying to edge us out and I very politely told them, I am standing here, would you be so kind to not push me, thank you. They stepped aside then. Sometimes kind words work, sometimes not...but to say go back to your country? Yuck.

 

[mickeymousemom]

Anne, I'm not trying to rip you or anything so don't take this the wrong way. And I for one am with you on the snotty remark thing in must cases. But you wrote this in response to someone that had an infant. And a lot of times there's just no way of knowing you'll be the 2nd or 3rd on board without a seat. But regardless of the how or why she ended up standing and regardless of how tired someone may be, the seat must be offered by someone. It's an infant's life at stake here if there's the slightest of problems and the mother goes down. And even if the mother is beligerant, it's not the baby's fault. Someone has to give up a seat in that case or at least hold the baby. I was quite dismayed that when I was already standing, nobody would give up a seat and that when I was sitting, it was always me giving up the seat. There should have been 4 or 5 offers without anyone even asking in that case.

Yay for your post. Great reply and I totally agree. My children are expected to give up their seat for young children, very pregnant women, women with infants or toddlers, older people, and people with disabilities. I may get angry with someone who "demands" a seat, but that will very rarely happen and if it does, aslong as that person falls into the above category then the seat is theirs. We have no right to judge why someone above might "demand" a seat...we all have bad days or sad days and who knows what may have just happened to them. I have no problem making sure their ride is as safe and comfortable as it can be. However, I have no time for people on these boards who imply that to get something in life and to be deserving of something nice, that our manners should be impeccable, or we don't measure up.
It's common courtesy and more than respectable to give up your seat to someone who truly needs it, regardless of the circumstances.
I'm truly glad I have raised my own children to have the above attitude. Responsibility of ones own self is true to a degree, but the fact is that common courtesy starts with each of us, and its up to us to execute it when possible. I don't decide to be nice to others only when I feel that they have earned it according to my rule book. This world would be a much nicer place to be if everyone would decide to be nice to our fellow neighbors FIRST.,,instead of waiting til it suits us.

Off my soap box....I have seen examples of many of the posts in this thread almost everytime we go to WDW. After the first trip or two I decided its much easier to let the others do their thing and laugh it off. If it truly affects my children I would probably open my mouth, but otherwise I let it go. Sometimes I even think about it later and realize what kind of a donkey's hiney these people truly made of themselves...and I'm proud that I didn't let it get the best of me.

I suppose my best example is the time we got in a very short line for Kali River Rapids. There had been a family trailing us while DD and I were walking thru the queue. As we got close to the front of the line, I watched while a woman and a little girl got off the ride, then walked right over and got right behind us, cutting in front of the family that had been walking thru the queue with us. I said something to the woman and she tried telling me that they had baby swap and the CM had told her to get right back in line. I knew she wasn't telling the truth because i had seen how it all happened. She then started getting mouthy with me, and at the prodding of my oldest DD, I let it go...hard as it was. We then ended up being in the same raft, and after a few minutes all was well and we were all laughing together. That was the beginning of me learning to let things go in the parks....I don't tolerate obnoxious people well at all, but I've learned that they certainly aren't worth my time.

 

[Golliwobbler]

Wow...this has gotten to be quite a mess!

Advice to fellow Christians (as an RC - the Christians know what THAT is ), unless there is a need to come to assistance to save life or limb, you may want to leave judgement pretty much to Him...

Advice on giving up seats (which really has nothing to do with personal responsibility, does it?), and giving in general - just give until it "hurts." It really pays dividends in joy.

Combining these two..."I have found the paradox, that if you love until it hurts, there can be no more hurt, only more love." Mother Teresa

 

[Uuaww]

as a 20 year old guy, i basically will give up my seat to nearly everyone, enderly, young, disabled, etc. oh and also if they are some girl my age and is hot, that warrants it also.

 

[traciedee]

I think our worst experience was Disnleyland when the kids were little. We had staked out a spot on the curb to watch the parade and our kids were sitting and waiting for over an hour. It was cold, but they were still having a great time. At the last minute a woman with 4 kids literally pushed all 4 kids up front through a large crowd and directed them to move in front of our kids. They eventually managed to push our kids off their spot on the curb, before my husband finally told her no more. She did not speak english, but we all understood each other. It was kind of amazing to watch. My husband was not having very Disney type thoughts at that moment.

I'm like a lot of you, if there are short people or kids I don't have a problem with them sitting/standing in front of me as long as we can all see. But to push kids out of the way is pretty amazing.