Uh, oh!! Rev. Pat Robertson's talking again!!!

[eeyore kelly]

PR + Duct tape = blessed silence

 

[toto2]

To think that Pat Robertson is just another religious buffon is...dangerous. The man has power , real power and a direct line to the with house.

In the most recent issue of vanity fair , in a piece about the links the Christian right and the US governement ( fascinating piece by the way), Pat Robertson told the writter of the piece that he and a special goupe of Born Again Christians that is composed of numerous preidents of many big conservatives corporation , can call the White House at any time , and there call will always be answered.

We may feel that he says stupid things , but , unfortunatly , he has right now , enormous power !

 

[WickedQueen26]

I would just like to see Laugh O Grams post that Muslim cleric spouting stupidity with the same enthusiam that he spouts comments by Pat Robertson. Just a little more "fair and balanced".

LaughOGrams is not
1) a form of media who has to show fair and balanced reporting

2) if a Muslim in another country wants to tell his own people to burn in hell, then that is for them to poke fun at. Yes I still think he is an idiot but he is not a) a representative of my faith and b) a representative of my country.

3) You did an excellent job of twisting the whole point of this thread which is the fact that a) a representative of my faith and b) a represetative of my country went on to a larger media outlet and proceed to pronounce that God will strike vengence upon a city of people who decide to teach science in public school instead of faith.

 

[WickedQueen26]

Ah, but it doesn't make any difference no matter how many people denounce what he says. They (the left) use him as a reason to bash the Religious Right.

Just as they (the right) use Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton to bash the Liberal Left.

Two way street.

 

[Chuck S]

Give some examples where the religious right have sternly denounced Pat Robertson for his hate filled statements.

For those that are quoting posts in this thread that do denounce PR, I think what Puffy is referring to is the LEADERS of the religious right (other ministers) are not saying ANYTHING to denounce PR. In fact, even the White House response to the statement by PR that we should eliminate foreign leaders was not a rebuke, it was simply "Oh, it was an unfortunate thing to say" type response. "He's a private citizen, blah,blah, blah"

Guess what, if someone in another country made a similar statement about George W, they'd be branded as making "terroristic threats".

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Ah, but it doesn't make any difference no matter how many people denounce what he says. They (the left) use him as a reason to bash the Religious Right.

Charade...you can shout that from the rooftops, but it doesn't necessarily make it true. See my post #21 on this very thread.

The sane ones are our family members, friends and coworkers who we go about living our daily lives with. No one paints the entire Christian community by what the dear Rev. Robertson spews daily on his TV show, believe me! Although some, like Dawn, seem to agree with him.

In no way do I see PR as a mouthpiece for the Christian community as a whole. The problem with you and Dawn is that you're trying to turn this into a left vs. right contest, which you always seem to do. Please leave your politics on the political threads where they belong. If you took the time to actually read everyone's posts here, from all sides of the political spectrum, you'd see that we all agree on this topic.

 

[cardaway]

For those that are quoting posts in this thread that do denounce PR, I think what Puffy is referring to is the LEADERS of the religious right (other ministers) are not saying ANYTHING to denounce PR. In fact, even the White House response to the statement by PR that we should eliminate foreign leaders was not a rebuke, it was simply "Oh, it was an unfortunate thing to say" type response. "He's a private citizen, blah,blah, blah"

Guess what, if someone in another country made a similar statement about George W, they'd be branded as making "terroristic threats".

Exactly. When somebody at a similar level as Pat calls him out it will be a miracle.

 

[cats7494]

I am a Christian and I find Pat Robertson to be a complete embarrassment! He is not the epitome of Christianity.
He does NOT speak the truth of God’s word and those who defend him are sadly misled.
I am what many would define as a “liberal” – and I get tired of politics coming into play whenever Pat Robertson is discussed. It is not a political issue – it is a religious issue. He is not a true Christian and I reject that he speaks for a majority of Christians.

 

[2funny2c]

How many Democrats speak up when Louis Farrahkan rambles his hate-filled speech?

Talking about how one levy was blown up by the government to flood a predominantly african american neighborhood.

 

[cats7494]

How many Democrats speak up when Louis Farrahkan rambles his hate-filled speech?

Talking about how one levy was blown up by the government to flood a predominantly african american neighborhood.

As I previously stated - why is this a political issue at all? Let it go!

 

[eclectics]

How many Democrats speak up when Louis Farrahkan rambles his hate-filled speech?

Talking about how one levy was blown up by the government to flood a predominantly african american neighborhood.

Well I'm one Dem that has major issues with Farrahkan, and I'm sure I'm not alone. That man has way too much hate in him, imho.

 

[Geoff_M]

I'm no fan of Robertson, but I find the media's fascination with his goofier moments preplexing. The man has slightly more political influence than Dennis Kucinich. Even within the right, he's a niche player. The guy "peaked" 17 years ago. The "Right" ain't hanging on for the guy's next words. Robertson can embarass himself all he wants for what I care. He's the analog of Rev. Al and Jesse all rolled into one.

As for an example of the "Religous Right" not supporting him, Robertson's Chavez comments were roundly condemned... even by the Administration that is supposedly in his back pocket.

If you want to see people that make Robertson sound totally benign, go hear what his Muslim counterparts are talking about openly on state-run and private networks in the Middle East: The Middle East Media Research Institute TV Project

 

[wvrevy]

Just as they (the right) use Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton to bash the Liberal Left.

Two way street.

Ah, but the difference is, Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson are basically on the fringe of the liberal left, whereas Robertson and other morons like James Dobson are the leaders of the religious right. There is a major difference between a fringe element and the leaders of your party's base. (Not, of course, that anybody on the right would admit as much.)

 

[sodaseller]

I disagree with the contention that Robertson is presently on the fringe of GOP governance. Robertson and other in his political movement understand the need for discretion, but wield great influence. Don't forget that this President was his fathers Liaison to the group during the time of Robertson's public ascendancy and that Rove famously lamented the loss of 4 million votes in 200 that he assiduously courted in 2004. Dobson spoke out of school in revealing the private phone calls they get from Rove during the Meirs fiasco. We saw what happened to that nomination when those private assurances were not enough

More significantly, look at http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020527&s=lizza052702 , TNR's report on Alberto Gonzalez speaking before the Council For National Policy, an umbrella group of these types that includes the good Rev. Robertson. Candidate Bush spoke before the group privately in 2000. And even Robertson is indiscreet at times - remember that he famously related a private meeting with Bush before the war - http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20041020-1419-bush-robertson.html

Traveling with Bush in the Midwest, Hughes said political adviser Karl Rove was in the Feb. 10, 2003 meeting with the president and Robertson in Nashville, Tenn., but Bush never said there wouldn't be casualties in Iraq.

While the good reverend may be misrepresented what was said, no one denies the meeting. He is far from marginalized

 

[Tigger_Magic]

To think that Pat Robertson is just another religious buffon is...dangerous. The man has power , real power and a direct line to the with house.

In the most recent issue of vanity fair , in a piece about the links the Christian right and the US governement ( fascinating piece by the way), Pat Robertson told the writter of the piece that he and a special goupe of Born Again Christians that is composed of numerous preidents of many big conservatives corporation , can call the White House at any time , and there call will always be answered.

We may feel that he says stupid things , but , unfortunatly , he has right now , enormous power !

What PR says and what is reality are often two very different things.

That said, I can call the White House at any time and my call will be answered. You can, too. So can anyone else. That's hardly a big claim to fame. If PR is claiming that he can speak to President Bush at any time -- well, that's where PR's fertile fantasy doesn't quite match reality.

PR has some power -- to raise money from too many gullible, suggestable individuals. But his assertion that he has some special pull with this administration is laughable.

 

[wvrevy]

PR has some power -- to raise money from too many gullible, suggestable individuals. But his assertion that he has some special pull with this administration is laughable.

Really ? How do you figure ? Sponge Dobson and several others that you consider "fringe" people came out lukewarm or even against Bush's last supreme court nominee. So, what does Bush do ? Pulls her from the nomination and puts in a nutjob like SCAllito to please these "fringe" people.

I think it's you that is underestimating the amount of pull whackjobs like Dobson and Robertson have with this president.

 

[Tumbleweed]

Where does Pat Robertson live? Not in Louisiana, Mississippi, or Texas per
chance... maybe God is mad at him.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

Really ? How do you figure ? Sponge Dobson and several others that you consider "fringe" people came out lukewarm or even against Bush's last supreme court nominee. So, what does Bush do ? Pulls her from the nomination and puts in a nutjob like SCAllito to please these "fringe" people.

I think it's you that is underestimating the amount of pull whackjobs like Dobson and Robertson have with this president.

Why is it that you cannot post about individuals from the right, especially the religious right without resorting to name-calling? It comes across as quite juvenile.

To answer your question: please re-read my post and identify where I listed any other individual's name other than PR. I never said James Dobson "and several others" were considered "fringe" people; I did mention PR by name because I do consider him to be on the extremist fringe of the religious right. I seriously doubt most of what he claims and said that I could call the White House, too, and get my call answered. That's hardly a claim to having some special "in" with the administration.

 

[sodaseller]

Why is it that you cannot post about individuals from the right, especially the religious right without resorting to name-calling? It comes across as quite juvenile.

To answer your question: please re-read my post and identify where I listed any other individual's name other than PR. I never said James Dobson "and several others" were considered "fringe" people; I did mention PR by name because I do consider him to be on the extremist fringe of the religious right. I seriously doubt most of what he claims and said that I could call the White House, too, and get my call answered. That's hardly a claim to having some special "in" with the administration.

Can anyone get a private meeting with the President, as Robertson did?

 

[cardaway]

Why is it that you cannot post about individuals from the right, especially the religious right without resorting to name-calling? It comes across as quite juvenile.

So you have never used anything but a persons proper name in posts about them?