TSM standby-less test Oct. 6-9

[mom2mickeyfan]

Yes, definitely. We tried to share the info about FP with as many people as possible. I admit we did fastpass Soarin twice (collecting at 9 a.m. and around 11 a.m.), win an ultimate FP, and then ride a third time in the early evening while people were playing cards in an endless line, and honestly I still feel guilty and a little sick about it. I would have been fine with sharing the FP wealth with everyone, as long as there was no pre-booking. And, absolutely no "FP+ only" rides ever, because those people CHOSE to wait rather than miss the ride.

I agree with most all that you said. We didn't feel bad about using extra paper FPs for the same ride. (The most we ever got for the same ride was 3) We tried to help anyone we could also. I feel like they should be first come, first serve. But we never ran to a ride, never pushed anyone out of the way or knocked any little kids down to get our paper FPs. I don't feel like the new system is first come, first serve and that is the reason it has to have limits. I know other guest are fine and even happy with the limits Disney has placed on them. It just doesn't sit well with our family. If Disney made the popular rides FP+ only and I wasn't able to get a FP+ for our favorite rides. We would cancel our trip.

And if they hold back to release some the day of, how mad would those that were online at 60,30,10 or 5 days before, unable to get the FP+ that wanted and arrived in the afternoon around 3 or 4 to find out that guest that were there after them (because checking online is like being there before them when it comes to FP+) got the FP+ that they wanted? There would be only a couple of rides I could think this happening on but it could happen.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

WDW couldn't care less who gets an FP and who doesn't. They are simply doing their best to avoid the persistent bad press of ridiculously long lines by spreading as many guests as possible among all available attractions.

and to get them to lock them into their parks.

 

[jahber]

WDW couldn't care less who gets an FP and who doesn't. They are simply doing their best to avoid the persistent bad press of ridiculously long lines by spreading as many guests as possible among all available attractions.

No, no, no, that can't be right! FP+ was invented to be more FAIR because us FP- hogs selfishly rode the rides we liked more than once instead of taking one for the team and riding rides we don't like instead.

 

[Angel Ariel]

It was easy to get Legacy fastpasses for all but a few rides and you could get those few rides if you just showed up early. It is apparently easy to get FP+ for all but a few rides too but showing up early won't matter except that you can hopefully wait in a shorter line just like you could when Legacy existed. I see the only advantages of FP+ being that you don't have to show up early and you don't have to crisscross the park as much. That is a nice advantage to some but not so much to others. No one is wrong.

ITA with this, and especially the bolded. There are definitely good things about FP+, and I agree that both systems have their issues. What I liked about legacy was that if I didn't get a FP one day, I could make changes to my plans if I really wanted to and get them the next day, guaranteed, by showing up earlier. With FP+, I was shut out of a few things at 60 days, and have not been able to get them (for myself...have gotten some, but not all, for my friend's trip the week later). There's nothing I can do to guarantee getting a FP+ for the things I was unable to get at 60 days. I can stalk the app, as I've been doing...but that's not a guarantee as showing up at RD was.

There's also no guarantee that "just use the SB line" will be an option for those attractions we couldn't get at 60 days. With all the tests they've been running, I can't go into my trip without keeping the possibility open that one of these tests will be run while I am there and SB won't be an option either. I certainly *hope* that they won't run one of these tests while I'm there, but I would be foolish, IMO, to *expect* that at this point.

 

[magicbob]

No, no, no, that can't be right! FP+ was invented to be more FAIR because us FP- hogs selfishly rode the rides we liked more than once instead of taking one for the team and riding rides we don't like instead.

To be fair, the bad press about long lines was OUR fault because we had hoarded all the FPs, leaving the masses with no choice but to wait in the long standby lines as we breezed past them in the FP line (gloating all the way!). We're just unhappy that we're finally getting our comeuppance.

 

[Angel Ariel]

It isn't put to bed except that I conceded that hoarding was not a good term to use.

I've read countless posts from those whose main objection to fp+ is that they can no longer ride the rides many times over as they did with fp. Surely you're not suggesting it's just as easy to ride the same ride 5-6 times( I've read it was easy up to as many as 9) with fp+ as it was with fp?

One did not have to "hoard" (or whatever word you want to use) to ride things over and over again. We always used our legacy FP within the rules (as in, within the window..we didn't hold them til the end of the night, even before they enforced return times), and we frequently rode things more than once - especially rides like Buzz Lightyear which are designed to be ridden more than once.

 

[ArwenMarie]

I'd bet my last dollar we never see fp+ only- without some significant changes to availability same day. It's not happening.

I hope so. But one does wonder why they are doing all of these tests. After the disaster at Soarin, why did they move onto TSMM

I have always maintained that FP+ was designed for the "Once in a Lifetime" visitor who is now guaranteed to get 3 FPs no matter how crowded the park is and no matter when they get to the parks. These are the people who spend the most money (YOLO) and Disney wants to make them the happiest.

I agree. Ask anyone who is not a WDW fan what they don't like about it and the will probably say the crowds and the lines.

and to get them to lock them into their parks.

Right...Because we know once they land in Orlando they are hit with marketing from those "Other attractions in Orlando"...They must be talking about Gatorland

 

[Laketravis]

I hope so. But one does wonder why they are doing all of these tests. After the disaster at Soarin, why did they move onto TSMM ...

Because they aren't happy with just ONE disaster....

 

[cakebaker]

To be fair, the bad press about long lines was OUR fault because we had hoarded all the FPs, leaving the masses with no choice but to wait in the long standby lines as we breezed past them in the FP line (gloating all the way!). We're just unhappy that we're finally getting our comeuppance.

Is this your opinion? Because there certainly isn't anyone else who has said anything close to that other than a couple of people who don't like fp+ as well.

How odd that those that liked legacy seem to think they were abusing it.

 

[Angel Ariel]

How odd that those that liked legacy seem to think they were abusing it.

More like they've been accused of it many times.

I'm not saying you, cakebaker, are the one doing the accusing, but there has been quite a lot of it in the last year.

 

[cakebaker]

More like they've been accused of it many times.

I'm not saying you, cakebaker, are the one doing the accusing, but there has been quite a lot of it in the last year.

And it happens on the other side just as much. I don't do it, at least I make every attempt not to. So I expect it not to be done to me. That tactic doesn't seem to be working well for me. Since I think it was my comments on "hoarding" fp's that started this last one- I take it to be a jab at me and I don't like it much, so I'm commenting about it.

 

[mom2rtk]

I hope so. But one does wonder why they are doing all of these tests. After the disaster at Soarin, why did they move onto TSMM

Because they weren't testing WHETHER to do it. They were testing HOW to do it.

 

[Angel Ariel]

And it happens on the other side just as much. I don't do it, at least I make every attempt not to. So I expect it not to be done to me. That tactic doesn't seem to be working well for me. Since I think it was my comments on "hoarding" fp's that started this last one- I take it to be a jab at me and I don't like it much, so I'm commenting about it.

I agree that it's frustrating to have such things directed at you when you are actively attempting not to do the same yourself. That's how I feel very frequently in these conversations, and it does feel like a jab and I don't like it either. I still choose the route of not doing it to others, even though I don't always get that same respect in return.

Again, not making any accusations or comments about you cakebaker, just agreeing/sympathizing with what you're saying. It would be great it all such comments could stop on all sides.

 

[cakebaker]

I agree that it's frustrating to have such things directed at you when you are actively attempting not to do the same yourself. That's how I feel very frequently in these conversations, and it does feel like a jab and I don't like it either. I still choose the route of not doing it to others, even though I don't always get that same respect in return.

Again, not making any accusations or comments about you cakebaker, just agreeing/sympathizing with what you're saying. It would be great it all such comments could stop on all sides.

Indeed it would- I'm better at checking what I'm saying than I used to be- not perfect by any means, but there are ways of saying things- like using the word hoarding- that are a quick way to say something that could be said nicer, but have negative connotations so your intent is lost- and it simply provides fuel for the types that want to get nasty anyway.

But I have my limits now and then....

 

[KatieCharlotte]

I agree with most all that you said. We didn't feel bad about using extra paper FPs for the same ride.

I didn't feel bad about using multiple paper fastpasses because they required effort. I just felt bad that, after we collected our second set of Soarin FP, we were randomly handed Ultimate Fastpasses for every ride in the park and rode Soarin for a third time without waiting. (It was the Year of a Million Dreams promotion.) It would have been nicer to pass on that gift to a family in line. I am much more comfortable with getting things by effort rather than lucky timing. FP+ for certain rides is more about lucky timing than effort, one of the many things I dislike about it.

 

[magicbob]

Is this your opinion?

Gee, the did not convey that I was joking?

Because there certainly isn't anyone else who has said anything close to that other than a couple of people who don't like fp+ as well.

On this thread? Perhaps not. But you have to understand that there are years of history here in which many people threw these accusations out. Those of us who lived through those days understand the joke.

How odd that those that liked legacy seem to think they were abusing it.

Self-deprecating humor.

More like they've been accused of it many times.

I'm not saying you, cakebaker, are the one doing the accusing, but there has been quite a lot of it in the last year.

Yep. This. Except it was going on for a lot longer than a year. Long before FP+ was even a glint in Bob Iger's eye.

And it happens on the other side just as much. I don't do it, at least I make every attempt not to. So I expect it not to be done to me. That tactic doesn't seem to be working well for me. Since I think it was my comments on "hoarding" fp's that started this last one- I take it to be a jab at me and I don't like it much, so I'm commenting about it.

Nope. Not even close. A jab at the lunatics who went after us with a vengeance during the Great FP War of 2010, perhaps. But not at you.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

I didn't feel bad about using multiple paper fastpasses because they required effort. I just felt bad that, after we collected our second set of Soarin FP, we were randomly handed Ultimate Fastpasses for every ride in the park and rode Soarin for a third time without waiting. (It was the Year of a Million Dreams promotion.) It would have been nicer to pass on that gift to a family in line. I am much more comfortable with getting things by effort rather than lucky timing. FP+ for certain rides is more about lucky timing than effort, one of the many things I dislike about it.

I understand what you were saying now. We got a set of those too in MK that year. It was great!! The give a day, get a day was great too. We used ours for the FPs instead of getting in the park for free.

 

[cakebaker]

Gee, the did not convey that I was joking?



On this thread? Perhaps not. But you have to understand that there are years of history here in which many people threw these accusations out. Those of us who lived through those days understand the joke.



Self-deprecating humor.



Yep. This. Except it was going on for a lot longer than a year. Long before FP+ was even a glint in Bob Iger's eye.



Nope. Not even close. A jab at the lunatics who went after us with a vengeance during the Great FP War of 2010, perhaps. But not at you.

Oh, I'm a long time member of this forum- just in another life, long ago and far away. So I remember how it was years ago- I just got active again a year or so ago, so I did miss the drama that must've accompanied the inception of fp+. I was busy cruising...

But perhaps it's just time to ...how do I say it...let it go? Raise the red flag when it happens, but holding on to whatever slights may have happened years ago isn't healthy.

 

[magicbob]

Oh, I'm a long time member of this forum- just in another life, long ago and far away. So I remember how it was years ago- I just got active again a year or so ago, so I did miss the drama that must've accompanied the inception of fp+. I was busy cruising...

But perhaps it's just time to ...how do I say it...let it go? Raise the red flag when it happens, but holding on to whatever slights may have happened years ago isn't healthy.

I think being able to laugh at things like that clearly illustrates that I'm not harboring some deep-seeded grudge from years ago. But thanks for the free therapy.

 

[jahber]

So now I'm genuinely interested in what the FP+ lovers (and I don't mean that at all negatively) think of the fact that off-siters and APs can't book TSMM FP+s in advance because they are all booked at 30 days out.