TSM standby-less test Oct. 6-9

[lugnut33]

I wonder if the "glitch" happened because people are complaining about availability at the 60 day mark? I always thought it would be impossible for Disney to hold any FP+ stock back for release at say 30 days out and then on day of because it would just upset the people who paid thousands to book their vacations early.

 

[KatieCharlotte]

I absolutely agree and my point to those who say there isn't enough to do, or there aren't enough rides is that if you aren't interested in the in-between-stuff, maybe Disney isn't your happy place after all.

It is my happy place, and I do enjoy the in-between stuff, but I have four other people in my family who are on vacation too. DH and DS don't exactly get teary-eyed during the parades and shows the way I do.

 

[Laketravis]

Are people thinking this is a permanent change?

I can see where that might cause some issues, but I'd sure love to see tiers go away. Every man for himself on getting a fp+!

Don't know if it's permanent, but it sure doesn't look like a glitch to me - the screen redesign is definitely deliberate.

Certainly provides more fodder for speculation that the "tests" were a means to an end in eliminating tiering in both EP (Soarin test) and HS (TSMM test).

Hopefully it doesn't mean that one or more of the headliners in each of those parks has to eliminate the SB line in order to accomplish this.

 

[mom2rtk]

Hopefully it doesn't mean that one or more of the headliners in each of those parks has to eliminate the SB line in order to accomplish this.

I was wondering the same thing.

 

[Laketravis]

Well crap, it looks like it's reverted back to tiers.

 

[lugnut33]

Don't know if it's permanent, but it sure doesn't look like a glitch to me - the screen redesign is definitely deliberate.

Certainly provides more fodder for speculation that the "tests" were a means to an end in eliminating tiering in both EP (Soarin test) and HS (TSMM test).

Hopefully it doesn't mean that one or more of the headliners in each of those parks has to eliminate the SB line in order to accomplish this.

Or by dumping a huge amount of FP+ into the system they will make the standby line so onerous nobody will want to get into it. We have all heard about the ratio of FP+ to Standby, well all Disney need to do is increase that ratio and it allows them to dump in more FP+ spots thus eliminating tiering. Problem is it really kills the standby line.

And maybe that's what this whole test was about, to see how many more FP+ they could dump into the system and eliminate the complaints about tiering.

 

[mom2rtk]

Well crap, it looks like it's reverted back to tiers.

It pays to stay plugged into the DIS. I hope everyone traveling then got their bonus Tier 1 spots!

 

[MaryKatesMom]

I absolutely agree and my point to those who say there isn't enough to do, or there aren't enough rides is that if you aren't interested in the in-between-stuff, maybe Disney isn't your happy place after all.

I too like the in between stuff.

However, my experience has been that I had to eliminate some of the in between stuff I enjoy because:

*there wasn't enough time between FP+ to stop and enjoy them
*the FP+ lines were longer than we ever experienced
*the SB lines were longer and we couldn't squeeze them in
*we were either rushing to get to a FP+ or waiting for a FP+

I will add this was all on days of crowd levels 8 or higher. Even walking around is more difficult to enjoy.

 

[OtherScott]

Being interested in the in between things and thinking some parks could use more rides are not mutually exclusive.
One can enjoy the shows, the live entertainment, heck even just the atmosphere of being in the park and also still think that some parks could benefit from new rides.

I love all of the in between things at Disney. I could just be on main street and be happy. But I also enjoy what Disney does with rides, and would like to see more of that in parks where there aren't many rides because I believe it *adds* to the overall magic.

I truly don't understand this seeming either/or..where one either likes the little things OR likes the rides, but loving both is somehow impossible.

I hope this isn't what you think I was saying.

It isn't either/or, rather, it's all of the above. Disney can get away with less rides and inferior rides (compared to amusement parks) precisely because what they put in between the rides is superior to most amusement parks.

When I consider that most people didn't use FP at all, I conclude that most are probably satisfied with 3 FPs combined with all the stuff in between.

 

[Laketravis]

Oh well, it was great while it lasted; I was only able to change one day.



Hopefully it's a sign of things to come.

 

[Laketravis]

It is my happy place, and I do enjoy the in-between stuff, but I have four other people in my family who are on vacation too. DH and DS don't exactly get teary-eyed during the parades and shows the way I do.

+1

Despite those who incessantly cite stereotypes, I am perfectly capable of touring using a variety of styles and enjoy a variety of things besides rides. Sure, there is plenty to do in Epcot besides Test Track and Mission Space and Soarin', and I enjoy doing those things dependent on who I am accompanied by and in consideration of their likes and dislikes as well, but when accompanied by a 9 year old the reality is that his interests are far more focused than mine and he's not really interested in cast members beating garbage can lids, chinese acrobats, or meeting a costumed "girly" (in his words) movie character.

Should the SB line be eliminated in whole or in part for some or all key attractions he looks forward to and he is therefore limited that day to the 3 selections made in advance thru an inordinate amount of planning as part of a daily schedule dependent on the timing of many other components (even those many non-ride "things" others talk about are not continuous run events and have scheduled times as well), he really doesn't care what anyone else thinks his frame of mind should be.

And before anyone further pontificates that "maybe Disney World isn't the place for him", from his point of view it is most definitely for him as long as he gets to do the things he likes to do in the same manner others are able to do the things they like to do.

 

[kbelle8995]

I too like the in between stuff.

However, my experience has been that I had to eliminate some of the in between stuff I enjoy because:

*there wasn't enough time between FP+ to stop and enjoy them
*the FP+ lines were longer than we ever experienced
*the SB lines were longer and we couldn't squeeze them in
*we were either rushing to get to a FP+ or waiting for a FP+

I will add this was all on days of crowd levels 8 or higher. Even walking around is more difficult to enjoy.

Yes that was pretty much my experience too.

 

[OtherScott]

+1

Despite those who incessantly cite stereotypes, I am perfectly capable of touring using a variety of styles and enjoy a variety of things besides rides. Sure, there is plenty to do in Epcot besides Test Track and Mission Space and Soarin', and I enjoy doing those things dependent on who I am accompanied by and in consideration of their likes and dislikes as well, but when accompanied by a 9 year old the reality is that his interests are far more focused than mine and he's not really interested in cast members beating garbage can lids, chinese acrobats, or meeting a costumed "girly" (in his words) movie character.

Should the SB line be eliminated in whole or in part for some or all key attractions he looks forward to and he is therefore limited that day to the 3 selections made in advance thru an inordinate amount of planning as part of a daily schedule dependent on the timing of many other components (even those many non-ride "things" others talk about are not continuous run events and have scheduled times as well), he really doesn't care what anyone else thinks his frame of mind should be.

And before anyone further pontificates that "maybe Disney World isn't the place for him", from his point of view it is most definitely for him as long as he gets to do the things he likes to do in the same manner others are able to do the things they like to do.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I hope this isn't what you think I was saying.

No, not at all

I was responding only to the person I quoted

 

[cakebaker]

+1

Despite those who incessantly cite stereotypes, I am perfectly capable of touring using a variety of styles and enjoy a variety of things besides rides. Sure, there is plenty to do in Epcot besides Test Track and Mission Space and Soarin', and I enjoy doing those things dependent on who I am accompanied by and in consideration of their likes and dislikes as well, but when accompanied by a 9 year old the reality is that his interests are far more focused than mine and he's not really interested in cast members beating garbage can lids, chinese acrobats, or meeting a costumed "girly" (in his words) movie character.

Should the SB line be eliminated in whole or in part for some or all key attractions he looks forward to and he is therefore limited that day to the 3 selections made in advance thru an inordinate amount of planning as part of a daily schedule dependent on the timing of many other components (even those many non-ride "things" others talk about are not continuous run events and have scheduled times as well), he really doesn't care what anyone else thinks his frame of mind should be.

And before anyone further pontificates that "maybe Disney World isn't the place for him", from his point of view it is most definitely for him as long as he gets to do the things he likes to do in the same manner others are able to do the things they like to do.

I think there's plenty of stereotyping from both sides.

When I use "maybe WDW isn't the place for you", it's generally directed at those who refuse to do anything to mitigate the negative effects they feel fp+ has. Virtually stomping your feet and demanding it change won't solve a thing. And it's never directed at children of course.

 

[FlipHipster]

Oh well, it was great while it lasted; I was only able to change one day.



Hopefully it's a sign of things to come.

Good Stuff. We'll be there the same week, hoping to avoid FP+ as much as possible. If TP's crowd predictions hold true, I think we can work it just fine but man there sure are a lot more "if's" than there used to be.

 

[Laketravis]

..."those who refuse to do anything to mitigate the negative effects they feel fp+ has. Virtually stomping your feet and demanding it change..."

Wow. I'll be sure to keep an eye out for "those" people.

When I use "maybe WDW isn't the place for you", it's generally directed at those.....

I think the fact that the statement is used at all could be an issue.

 

[Laketravis]

Good Stuff. We'll be there the same week, hoping to avoid FP+ as much as possible. If TP's crowd predictions hold true, I think we can work it just fine but man there sure are a lot more "if's" than there used to be.

I think it will be a good week

 

[KatieCharlotte]

I think there's plenty of stereotyping from both sides.

When I use "maybe WDW isn't the place for you", it's generally directed at those who refuse to do anything to mitigate the negative effects they feel fp+ has. Virtually stomping your feet and demanding it change won't solve a thing. And it's never directed at children of course.

Since this is the trip-planning board, maybe you can offer some advice on how to mitigate the negative effects for all the virtual foot-stompers.

Here's just one issue I have -- Like many in my part of the country, I have inlaws in Florida. My father-in-law likes to join us for occasional days at the park but doesn't like to be pinned down to a specific date. All he cared about last time was riding the headliners at Epcot and DHS repeatedly with DH and DD, which he was able to do with rope drop and paper fastpass. How can I make this work under FP+? Do I tell him that joining us for Disney trips just isn't for him?

 

[lugnut33]

Since this is the trip-planning board, maybe you can offer some advice on how to mitigate the negative effects for all the virtual foot-stompers.

Here's just one issue I have -- Like many in my part of the country, I have inlaws in Florida. My father-in-law likes to join us for occasional days at the park but doesn't like to be pinned down to a specific date. All he cared about last time was riding the headliners at Epcot and DHS repeatedly with DH and DD, which he was able to do with rope drop and paper fastpass. How can I make this work under FP+? Do I tell him that joining us for Disney trips just isn't for him?

Just tell him the disappointment should be turned around to happiness because he's taking one for the team.