Trying to avoid nasty looks

[goofy4prez]

No, you really need a CM to state this as policy (as per the Frozen situation) not a consensus of the crowd. The CMs might have different instructions (as in, don't let anyone past a certain point, etc) that would conflict with the crowd concensus.



If a guest has trouble with stamina (standing for long periods is a stamina issue) then WDW's standard recommendation is to use an ECV or wheelchair. How does the BF's son handle all the other standing and waiting, like in queues?

If Disney turns the other way when 40 people from a tour group jump in line with one or two people who have held that spot, how likely do you think a Disney CM is going to take action because a mom, Jr. and sissy decided to go get a soft pretzel and soda, use the restroom and then hop back in line with dear old dad? I personally could care less if a few from a family hop into line with a family member. My only thought would be as previously mentioned, is to make sure they are back before the ropes are opened up to the seating. Now holding seats for someone that has not yet arrived is another story. I have better things in life to worry about than a few family members catching back up with the rest of the family in a line. But that's just me.

 

[Xennia]

I think you should do whatever is best for your family and don't worry about the people around you and their nasty looks.

Our best friends have a son who is 19. He had a heart transplant and a double lung transplant when he was 9. You can't tell by just looking at him, but he gets winded easily and has trouble standing for long periods. When they do stuff like this, they get nasty looks, but don't feel like they should have to explain it to EVERYONE as it's none of their business.

I don't care what everyone else thinks. But that's just me

I agree. Totally.

You're at Disney leave your judgements at home. Psrty of 1 or 10 they are still in front of you regardless who is in line.

 

[focusondisney]

It has been a couple of years since we did a dining package. But last time we did, a CM was standing at the end of the line with a clicker. As you entered, they asked how many would be in your party. They were OKing 1 or 2 people getting in line & the rest going for drinks etc. Seemed this is what most parties were doing & CMs could still have an accurate count for seating.

 

[maxiesmom]

I think you should do whatever is best for your family and don't worry about the people around you and their nasty looks.

Our best friends have a son who is 19. He had a heart transplant and a double lung transplant when he was 9. You can't tell by just looking at him, but he gets winded easily and has trouble standing for long periods. When they do stuff like this, they get nasty looks, but don't feel like they should have to explain it to EVERYONE as it's none of their business.

I don't care what everyone else thinks. But that's just me

Disney's response to any kind of stamina issue is to tell the guest to rent an ECV. Stamina issues are not even covered by the new DAS system, guests are told to rent an ECV.

Waiting in line is how people are able to do things in theme parks. It is rude to hold spots for others and to let them cut back in, ahead of those who put in the time and were waiting themselves. If you are stepping in front of those people you are making in their business.

At minimum an attempt should be made to be in line the majority of the time. Stepping out for a bathroom break or to get a drink is one thing. Not being in the line and then cutting in front of a ton of other guests at the last minute is pretty rude.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Its one thing for you to get in line so the rest of your party can use the wash room and rejoin you but for them to go shopping etc... Umm no.

Unless there's a health concern, there is no reason to get into line without your entire party. If 3 out of 4 need to use the washroom, the 4th can wait outside the washroom and they can all join the line together. Jumping into line without your entire party and then holding their spot is line cutting, period.

How can you "hold a spot" for someone in line if that person was never IN the line to begin with?

Now, if everyone is in line & someone has a bathroom emergency and needs to leave, holding their spot is fine. Holding a spot just so the rest of your party can avoid the line? No. Just no.

 

[kittyab]

Unless there's a health concern, there is no reason to get into line without your entire party. If 3 out of 4 need to use the washroom, the 4th can wait outside the washroom and they can all join the line together. Jumping into line without your entire party and then holding their spot is line cutting, period.

How can you "hold a spot" for someone in line if that person was never IN the line to begin with?

Now, if everyone is in line & someone has a bathroom emergency and needs to leave, holding their spot is fine. Holding a spot just so the rest of your party can avoid the line? No. Just no.

If it is a 45 minute line I can see why someone needs a potty break. On our last visit we had some line cutters who I refused to let them pass and their parents (these teen cutters) got crabby with me and my husband.

I think people just think their are entitled.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

If it is a 45 minute line I can see why someone needs a potty break. On our last visit we had some line cutters who I refused to let them pass and their parents (these teen cutters) got crabby with me and my husband.

I think people just think their are entitled.

Yup, I saw tons of it at Universal in July. Um, if you weren't IN the line to begin with, how is it your "spot" is ahead of me?

Someon leaving line to rejoin it? Sure, I can see that. But, you have to commit to the line FIRST.

 

[DVC1991]

It's funny. In this situation for cp, it wouldn't bother me to have a few family members hold a spot for the whole group, especially with a dining package. We're all guaranteed a seat so there's not much difference.

If this was a ride like 7dmt or space mtn, I would be pissed if someone did this.

I'm not sure why the different situation really makes a difference but it does.


Of course the exception to these is if someone had a medical condition or a kid had to go to the bathroom. Then that's fine and I wouldn't care. I think the most important thing is to just be nice about it. If someone is acting entitled, then people are more likely to get mad. If you're nice to people, they probably won't mind as much.

 

[kittyab]

I guess I rather them see them get out of line to go potty and rejoin their party then peeing in line LOL!

 

[PrincessJo]

"If a guest has trouble with stamina (standing for long periods is a stamina issue) then WDW's standard recommendation is to use an ECV or wheelchair. How does the BF's son handle all the other standing and waiting, like in queues?

He is a private person and does not want to use something like that. It is in his personality to not want to attract attention or sympathy. If the line is longer than 20 minutes, they do something else. They are very laid back and don't go in there ninja-style trying to attack everything with gusto. They do what they can and if they don't do it, no big deal.

I have learned a lot from this family and we love them very much Their son actually had a Make-A-Wish trip to Disney World when he was 11. It's a miracle he has reached 19.

 

[jAcKs_x0]

With something like CP that has a reserved number of seats equal to the reserved number of tickets distributed, who cares who is physically in line vs. who isn't. A party of 4 is a party of 4 whether they are all standing in front of you or one is in front of you and the rest are all riding Spaceship Earth or getting a hot dog. If you want the knowledge that you'll be in row 1 seat 1, get there at exactly 45 minutes prior. Regardless, any seat in that theater is a great seat for the most part, and the show is mostly about listening and enjoying the holiday (dare I say Christmas) season anyway.

 

[DisneyOma]

He is a private person and does not want to use something like that. It is in his personality to not want to attract attention or sympathy. If the line is longer than 20 minutes, they do something else. They are very laid back and don't go in there ninja-style trying to attack everything with gusto. They do what they can and if they don't do it, no big deal.

I have learned a lot from this family and we love them very much Their son actually had a Make-A-Wish trip to Disney World when he was 11. It's a miracle he has reached 19.

Why does he have such a poor perspective of people in wheelchairs or ECVs? Why would someone in a wheelchair or ECV attract attention or sympathy? Does he feel sorry for them for some reason, just because of the device they use? I hope he gets over his issues with wheelchairs and ECVs so that he can enjoy himself even more at WDW, and not have to ration his energy the way he has been.

 

[Ryansdad0727]

Just make sure they bring you a cup of hot chocolate when they come back and it will just look like they went to get something to drink. Not a big deal.

 

[Magpie]

Why does he have such a poor perspective of people in wheelchairs or ECVs? Why would someone in a wheelchair or ECV attract attention or sympathy? Does he feel sorry for them for some reason, just because of the device they use? I hope he gets over his issues with wheelchairs and ECVs so that he can enjoy himself even more at WDW, and not have to ration his energy the way he has been.

You know, when I broke my toe as a teenager, the day before I was due to go on a walking tour of Quebec with my high school, my doctor gave me crutches and encouraged me to use a wheelchair. I refused the chair and only accepted the crutches with great reluctance (and then rarely used them).

Why? Well, it certainly wasn't because I hate people in wheelchairs or on crutches. I don't have a "poor perspective" of them, either. I just noticed right away that when I used the crutches, people would stare. And they'd offer smiles and help and all sorts of well meaning gestures. And as a somewhat shy teenager, this was NOT something I was comfortable with. I wanted to be one of the pack. I did not want to stand out from everyone else, even if everyone was kind to me.

I know it can be hard for folks who enjoy the limelight to understand, but some people really do prefer to blend in, unnoticed. If the young man is happier getting around on his own two feet, then why shouldn't he? Perhaps he wants to preserve and enjoy his unassisted mobility for as long as he can, perhaps he's working on building his stamina back up, or perhaps it's pride. As long as the slower touring style is cool with his family, then it's all good.

It's entirely possible to make a personal choice like this for yourself, without it being a judgement on everyone who chooses differently from you.

 

[Love Tink]

Why does he have such a poor perspective of people in wheelchairs or ECVs? Why would someone in a wheelchair or ECV attract attention or sympathy? Does he feel sorry for them for some reason, just because of the device they use? I hope he gets over his issues with wheelchairs and ECVs so that he can enjoy himself even more at WDW, and not have to ration his energy the way he has been.

It is hardly rare for people of any age to eschew wheelchairs and ECVs. In the case of my husband, who has terrible back issues (and is about to have his fourth back surgery), he would rather walk and be in pain because using a chair or ECV means taking the first step down the path of immobility. That's a path he is trying to put off for as long as possible.

It has nothing to do with having "a poor perspective of people in wheelchairs or ECVs."

 

[maxiesmom]

You know, when I broke my toe as a teenager, the day before I was due to go on a walking tour of Quebec with my high school, my doctor gave me crutches and encouraged me to use a wheelchair. I refused the chair and only accepted the crutches with great reluctance (and then rarely used them).

Why? Well, it certainly wasn't because I hate people in wheelchairs or on crutches. I don't have a "poor perspective" of them, either. I just noticed right away that when I used the crutches, people would stare. And they'd offer smiles and help and all sorts of well meaning gestures. And as a somewhat shy teenager, this was NOT something I was comfortable with. I wanted to be one of the pack. I did not want to stand out from everyone else, even if everyone was kind to me.

I know it can be hard for folks who enjoy the limelight to understand, but some people really do prefer to blend in, unnoticed. If the young man is happier getting around on his own two feet, then why shouldn't he? Perhaps he wants to preserve and enjoy his unassisted mobility for as long as he can, perhaps he's working on building his stamina back up, or perhaps it's pride. As long as the slower touring style is cool with his family, then it's all good.

It's entirely possible to make a personal choice like this for yourself, without it being a judgement on everyone who chooses differently from you.

Sure it is a personal choice. But when that lack of stamina starts to affect others (such as the people that end up behind you when you decide to cut into a line) then it is a problem. One shouldn't claim they want to tour without assistance and then demand special treatment because of the same issue. Honestly, leave the pride at home and rent an ECV if your stamina doesn't allow you to do everything you want to do without negatively impacting others.

 

[Magpie]

Sure it is a personal choice. But when that lack of stamina starts to affect others (such as the people that end up behind you when you decide to cut into a line) then it is a problem. One shouldn't claim they want to tour without assistance and then demand special treatment because of the same issue. Honestly, leave the pride at home and rent an ECV if your stamina doesn't allow you to do everything you want to do without negatively impacting others.

Yeah... I'm going to disagree with you that one or two people joining an already established group in the CP line is in ANY way "negatively impacting" any one else's experience in the line. Any more than I negatively impact your experience when I go to get hot chocolates for my husband and me.

As several have already pointed out here, the polite thing to do is wait a second until another group lines up behind you and then say, "We're just going to pop out for a bit, if that's all right with you. We'll be back before the line starts moving!" (Edit: Leaving a family member or two behind, of course!)

I honestly can't imagine anyone having an issue with that. ("No, I insist you ALL remain standing right in front of me, at all times!" )

 

[Hibiscus]

With something like CP that has a reserved number of seats equal to the reserved number of tickets distributed, who cares who is physically in line vs. who isn't. A party of 4 is a party of 4 whether they are all standing in front of you or one is in front of you and the rest are all riding Spaceship Earth or getting a hot dog. If you want the knowledge that you'll be in row 1 seat 1, get there at exactly 45 minutes prior. Regardless, any seat in that theater is a great seat for the most part, and the show is mostly about listening and enjoying the holiday (dare I say Christmas) season anyway.

Not all the seats are good. We heard a woman complain that her back hurt because she needed to lean to the side to see around a tree. She had package seats.

Besides, just because there's a seat for everyone doesn't mean that the seats still available when you get in can accommodate your entire group. I don't want my family to have to split up because somebody else didn't feel like waiting in line.

 

[Jfsag123]

I'm with those who don't think it's a big deal with certain types of lines (this example included). DS struggles to stand still in lines, though we still all stand together as a family. However, once in DHS, we actually had a CM volunteer to watch him as he explored a little bit in the immediate area while we stood in a character line. She said she'd keep an eye on our progress and help him get to us in the line once we were near the front. I didn't feel right about pawning my child off on her (tempting though it may have been), so she said I was welcome to come out with him and she'd escort us both back to the front when the time came. Another case of CMs actively encouraging not having the whole party wait in certain kinds of lines. Our rejoining of the line did not negatively impact anyone else's wait times, as the number of groups in front of them was not changed. The character just posed for a pic with 2 kids instead of one.

 

[rainboots]

Your 19 yr old friend is welcome to go sit while in line in front of me, I support his choice. Much like I won't judge the folks on ECVs that "appear" "lazy" for using one. Not my business. If that is what makes their vacation better, then so be it! I will stand patiently in line at the bus while they load. My mom has no visible issues, but uses an ECV at WDW due to neuropathy in her feet. It makes walking long distances painful, she wants to be with us, and if she were to walk thru the pain, her chances of tripping/falling become very high. I'm not going to explain that to every person that scowls, nor will I concern myself with the behavior of others.