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Nope, sorry, I don't buy the Syrian band thing. Too far fetched for me. Besides, who eats McDonalds in an airplane bathroom? Too many weird things for me. I would have been very suspicious and I still am. JMHO
 
I knew it was a bunch a hooey before I got to the second page.
 

Originally posted by nuke
I knew it was a bunch a hooey before I got to the second page.

I would not call it "hooey". It did look and seem VERY odd and TBH, I probably would not have risked getting on that plane.

But Snopes is a pretty reliable source and they do a lot of research, and if they were able to conclusively determine that they were in fact musicians, I'll take their word.

It's still very odd, but who knows.
 
I was skeptical about the article myself...but, hey, everyone is going to react in their own way to something like that.
 
A person sometimes "sees" what they want to see. The author took things like going to the bathroom as terrorist activities instead of what they were, a person relieving themselves of the 32oz coke they drank with their McDonalds. ;)
 
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This was in todays Washington Times....


Scouting jetliners for new attacks


By Audrey Hudson
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


Flight crews and air marshals say Middle Eastern men are staking out airports, probing security measures and conducting test runs aboard airplanes for a terrorist attack.
At least two midflight incidents have involved numerous men of Middle Eastern descent behaving in what one pilot called "stereotypical" behavior of an organized attempt to attack a plane.

"No doubt these are dry runs for a terrorist attack," an air marshal said.
Pilots and air marshals who asked to remain anonymous told The Washington Times that surveillance by terrorists is rampant, using different probing methods.
"It's happening, and it's a sad state of affairs," a pilot said.
A June 29 incident aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 327 from Detroit to Los Angeles is similar to a Feb. 15 incident on American Airlines Flight 1732 from San Juan, Puerto Rico, to New York's John F. Kennedy Airport.
The Northwest flight involved 14 Syrian men and the American Airlines flight involved six men of Middle Eastern descent.
"I've never been in a situation where I have felt that afraid," said Annie Jacobsen, a business and finance feature writer for the online magazine Women's Wall Street who was aboard the Northwest flight.
The men were seated throughout the plane pretending to be strangers. Once airborne, they began congregating in groups of two or three, stood nearly the entire flight, and consecutively filed in and out of bathrooms at different intervals, raising concern among passengers and flight attendants, Mrs. Jacobsen said.
One man took a McDonald's bag into the bathroom, then passed it off to another passenger upon returning to his seat. When the pilot announced the plane was cleared for landing and to fasten seat belts, seven men jumped up in unison and went to different bathrooms.
Her account was confirmed by David Adams, spokesman for the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's Federal Air Marshal Service (FAMS), who said officers were on board and checked the bathrooms several times during the flight, but nothing was found.
"The FAMS never broke their cover, but monitored" the activity, Mr. Adams said. "Given the facts, they had no legal basis to take an enforcement action. But there was enough of a suspicious nature for the FAMS, passengers and crew to take notice."
A January FBI memo says suicide terrorists are plotting to hijack trans-Atlantic planes by smuggling "ready-to-build" bomb kits past airport security, and later assembling the explosives in aircraft bathrooms.
On many overseas flights, airlines have issued rules prohibiting loitering near the lavatory.
"After seeing 14 Middle Eastern men board separately (six together and eight individually) and then act as a group, watching their unusual glances, observing their bizarre bathroom activities, watching them congregate in small groups, knowing that the flight attendants and the pilots were seriously concerned and now knowing that federal air marshals were on board, I was officially terrified," Mrs. Jacobsen said.
"One by one, they went into the two lavatories, each spending about four minutes inside. Right in front of us, two men stood up against the emergency exit door, waiting for the lavatory to become available. The men spoke in Arabic among themselves ... one of the men took his camera into the lavatory. Another took his cell phone. Again, no one approached the men. Not one of the flight attendants asked them to sit down."
In an interview yesterday with The Washington Times, Mrs. Jacobsen said she was surprised to learn afterward that flight attendants are not trained to handle terrorist attacks or the situation that happened on her flight.
"I absolutely empathize with the flight attendants. They are acting with no clear protocol," she said.
Other passengers were distraught and one woman was even crying as the events unfolded.
The plane was met by officials from the FBI, Los Angeles Police Department, Federal Air Marshal Service and Transportation Security Administration. The Syrians, who were traveling on one-way tickets, were taken into custody.
The men, who were not on terrorist watch lists, were released, although their information and fingerprints were added to a database. The group had been hired as musicians to play at a casino, and the booking, hotel accommodations and return flight to New York from Long Beach, Calif., also checked out, Mr. Adams said.
"We don't know if it was a dry run, that's why we are working together with intelligence and investigative agencies to help protect the homeland," he said.
Mrs. Jacobsen, however, is skeptical the 14 passengers were innocent musicians.
"If 19 terrorists can learn to fly airplanes into buildings, couldn't 14 terrorists learn to play instruments?" she asked in the article.
The pilot confirmed Mrs. Jacobsen's experience was "terribly alike" what flight attendants reported on the San Juan flight.
He said there is "widespread knowledge" among crew members these probes are taking place.
A Middle Eastern passenger attempted to videotape out the window as the plane taxied on takeoff and, when told by a flight attendant it was not permitted, "gave her a mean look and stopped taping," said a written report of the San Juan incident by a flight attendant.
The group of six men sat near one another, pretended to be strangers, but after careful observation from flight attendants, it was apparent "all six knew each other," the report said.
"They were very careful when we were in their area to seem separate and pretended to be sleeping, but when we were out of the twilight area, they were watching and communicating," the report said.
The men made several trips to the bathroom and congregated in that area, and were told at least twice by a flight attendant to return to their seats. The suspicious behavior was relayed to airline officials in midflight and additional background checks were conducted.
A second pilot said that, on one of his recent flights, an air marshal forced his way into the lavatory at the front of his plane after a man of Middle Eastern descent locked himself in for a long period.
The marshal found the mirror had been removed and the man was attempting to break through the wall. The cockpit was on the other side.
The second pilot said terrorists are "absolutely" testing security.
"There is a great degree of concern in the airline industry that not only are these dry runs for a terrorist attack, but that there is absolutely no defense capabilities on a vast majority of airlines," the second pilot said.
Dawn Deeks, spokeswoman for the Association of Flight Attendants, said there is no "central clearinghouse" for them to learn of suspicious incidents, and flight crews are not told how issues are resolved.
She said a flight attendant reported that a passenger was using a telephoto lens to take sequential photos of the cockpit door.
The passenger was stopped, and the incident, which happened two months ago, was reported to officials. But when the attendant checked back last week on the outcome, she was told her report had been lost.
Recent incidents at the Minneapolis-St. Paul international airport have also alarmed flight crews. Earlier this month, a passenger from Syria was taken into custody while carrying anti-American materials and a note suggesting he intended to commit a public suicide.
A third pilot reported watching a man of Middle Eastern descent at the same airport using binoculars to get airplane tail numbers and writing the numbers in a notebook to correspond with flight numbers.
"It's a probe. They are probing us," said a second air marshal, who confirmed that Middle Eastern men try to flush out marshals by rushing the cockpit and stopping suddenly.
 
They talked about it on Fox News this morning and I believe that they said they were having the woman on the show tomorrow morning. Might be worth watching to see if she is believable. Regardless of whether or not it was a dry run at least people are watching for things that just don't add up. That is the key to our safety is always being watchful.
 
Originally posted by nuke
A person sometimes "sees" what they want to see. The author took things like going to the bathroom as terrorist activities instead of what they were, a person relieving themselves of the 32oz coke they drank with their McDonalds. ;)

::yes::
 
phorsenuf-
Scary article. I believe stuff like this IS actually happening.
 
Originally posted by nuke
I knew it was a bunch a hooey before I got to the second page.


Must be nice to see into the future. Although the story turned out okay, I still would be very wary of a group of middle eastern looking men/women boarding any flight I was taking. We still need to put PC to the side and start profiling people in this country. Our safety and security depends on it.
 
All that hysteria for nothing. I thought several things were odd about this piece of fiction. No other media picked up on this story to report it, confirm it... nothing. It just appears on WomensWallStreet.com. Another oddity is that no one came forward to corroborate Ms. Jacobsen's story, although on MSNBC she alleged that pilots and flight crews had agreed with her assessment of what happened. But the silence was more than deafening. This whole account just reeked of urban legend and looked like someone's sad attempt to snag their 15 mins. of spotlight time. Whatever prompted Ms. Jacobsen to create this incredible work of fiction we may never know. Maybe the beverage service was too slow or the lavatories too crowded or maybe her overactive paranoia and prejudice got the best of her.

One can hope that WomensWallStreet.com will learn from this experience and appropriately label their FICTION in the future.

But who knows ... Ms. Jacobsen could have a bright, shining career as a fiction writer. Maybe that was her plan all along. :rolleyes:
 
No other media picked up on this story to report it, confirm it...

Actually I heard about it on the radio and other papers carried it. I also heard about the Syrian band theory prior to snopes publishing it.
Could they have been a legit Syrian Band? Yep......could also be a cover.
Call me paranoid, but these terrorist work for years planning an attack. Anything is possible these days.
 
Originally posted by JPN4265
Must be nice to see into the future. Although the story turned out okay, I still would be very wary of a group of middle eastern looking men/women boarding any flight I was taking. We still need to put PC to the side and start profiling people in this country. Our safety and security depends on it.
Maybe we should change the motto from "Let freedom ring" to "Let prejudice reign." Let's definitely practice racial profiling -- something we condemn when police dept. practice it -- to ensure our safety on planes. While we are doing that, another Timothy McVeigh could walk right through security and on board a plane.

Not all terrorists are of Middle Eastern descent and not all people of Middle Eastern descent are terrorists. That's not being PC; that's understanding reality.
 
I think that all of the writing I have seen concerning this event (the original piece, the follow up, and the articles refuting,) are all very light on facts and very very heavy on that author's opinion.

I have no idea what happened on that flight. I find the speculation that it was a dry run testing defense protocol to be just as believable as the thought that they were simply a Syrian band flying to California to perform at a Casino.
 
Originally posted by Eeyore1954
Maybe we should change the motto from "Let freedom ring" to "Let prejudice reign." Let's definitely practice racial profiling -- something we condemn when police dept. practice it -- to ensure our safety on planes. While we are doing that, another Timothy McVeigh could walk right through security and on board a plane.

Not all terrorists are of Middle Eastern descent and not all people of Middle Eastern descent are terrorists. That's not being PC; that's understanding reality.

Maybe not, but it was people of Middle Eastern Desecent that flew the planes into the towers. Reality is understanding that we are at WAR with these people. If you don't open your eyes and understand this, another 9/11 is going to happen. I put the safety of this country and my family ahead of any form of being PC.
 
Well, the snopes reference did state:

"...As things turned out, although the events Ms. Jacobsen claims to have witnessed on her flight did occur (more or less), her interpretation of them (that they involved a group of terrrorists making a dry run for building a bomb in-flight) was erroneous."

The events did occur (even if it was stated more or less). Who knows, maybe the guys were just doing their thing. On the other hand, maybe they were very aware of people's fears and were jerking everyone's chain. Who knows? The events she described were odd. Even if you leave out the interpretation.

phorsenuf, the article you posted is scary. I do believe this kind of stuff happens. As I stated before, there is a declared Jihad on this country. It is ongoing. So to be aware isn't the worst thing.
 
Originally posted by phorsenuf
Actually I heard about it on the radio and other papers carried it. I also heard about the Syrian band theory prior to snopes publishing it.
Could they have been a legit Syrian Band? Yep......could also be a cover.
Call me paranoid, but these terrorist work for years planning an attack. Anything is possible these days.
Could they have been a Syrian band? Well, yes, that's exactly what they were! This Washington Times article is based primarily on the now discounted fiction of Ms. Jacobsen, so you expect people to give it any credibility. I find it very interesting that the Times quotes an anonymous 2nd pilot -- why is it that none of these stories have anyone with a verifiable name, job title, company and location? If these events are happening, why are they not being reported until now -- after Ms. Jacobsen perpetrates her hysterical hoax?

Believe what you want to believe. I choose not to live wrapped in paranoia and prejudice.
 
You never know who around you is of Middle Eastern ancestry. I don't totally look like it, but I am, that is why profiling DOESN'T work.
 

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