Transgenders and bathrooms....

[pryncess527]

It's crazy to me that so many kids in public schools regularly find themselves unclothed in a locker room. We all took PE in summer school and so went home afterwards and did not shower in the gym -- I don't know a single person, other than the boys on the football team, who showered and changed clothes in a locker room at school. That always seemed like something that only happened on TV to me

I'll also add that, for those concerned about students changing genders casually, at least in my school district in order to have a different gender identity recognized, the student needs a letter from their parent -- and in most cases a private bathroom is available for that student to use. I would hope parents are not writing repeated letters allowing their boys to switch genders casually so they can be peeping toms. Just another scare tactic.

 

[sunshinehighway]

The Charlotte bill that started it all was championed by a convicted sex offender.

This all illustrates a huge problem in our society today. Nobody wants to listen to one another and wade through the bs to find out the truth. It's easier to spread a twisted version because it fits what you believe.
To say a pedophile was championing for the Charolette bill is extremely misleading and really doesn't have anything to do with anything.
When I read that first post about it, I was really surprised and simmered what was going on in Charlotte that convicted sex offenders are helping to make and pass laws. Then of course I looked into it a little more. Its a distortion of what's true.
Maybe if you have to distort the truth to prove a point, you don't have a valid point.

 

[pryncess527]

Who knows what a pedophile's intentions are.

I am more concerned that he is not in jail

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article64943682.html

Maybe tougher penalties for sex offenders would be a better use of the NC Legislatures time, if the safety of children is their top concern.

 

[Chocolate Cake]

Maybe tougher penalties for sex offenders would be a better use of the NC Legislatures time, if the safety of children is their top concern.

Well that I can agree with!!! To me death is the only punishment that should be available for someone who molests a child.

 

[dadtoagirl03]

I distorted nothing simply stated a fact. The gentlemen that championed the law in Charlotte was the president of the Charlotte LGBT Chamber of Commerce. His name was Chad Severance and he is a convicted sex offender.

Google it and tell me what I'm distorting.

PS: He was convicted of sexual molestation of a minor and shouldn't be walking the streets today. He should be in a pine box in the ground.

 

[bcla]

This all illustrates a huge problem in our society today. Nobody wants to listen to one another and wade through the bs to find out the truth. It's easier to spread a twisted version because it fits what you believe.
To say a pedophile was championing for the Charolette bill is extremely misleading and really doesn't have anything to do with anything.
When I read that first post about it, I was really surprised and simmered what was going on in Charlotte that convicted sex offenders are helping to make and pass laws. Then of course I looked into it a little more. Its a distortion of what's true.
Maybe if you have to distort the truth to prove a point, you don't have a valid point.

It's no use arguing. To say that he "championed" the Charlotte law does distort how little influence he really had. There was a broad coalition of people and groups supporting the law, and his group was among them. No evidence exists that he had much of a role other than speaking once to a reporter.

In any case, the Charlotte law was really about discrimination in public accommodation and employment, and HB2 reverses that too.

 

[sunshinehighway]

It's no use arguing. To say that he "championed" the Charlotte law does distort how little influence he really had. There was a broad coalition of people and groups supporting the law, and his group was among them. No evidence exists that he had much of a role other than speaking once to a reporter.

In any case, the Charlotte law was really about discrimination in public accommodation and employment, and HB2 reverses that too.

Yeah, you're right.
I'm, just so fed up with things being twisted to fit what people want and it just spreads and becames fact. It's not just this but with so many things
I just wish people would stop with that nonsense. It seems people's abilities to think, question what they are told is and hear another side are disappearing.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

It's crazy to me that so many kids in public schools regularly find themselves unclothed in a locker room. We all took PE in summer school and so went home afterwards and did not shower in the gym -- I don't know a single person, other than the boys on the football team, who showered and changed clothes in a locker room at school. That always seemed like something that only happened on TV to me

I'll also add that, for those concerned about students changing genders casually, at least in my school district in order to have a different gender identity recognized, the student needs a letter from their parent -- and in most cases a private bathroom is available for that student to use. I would hope parents are not writing repeated letters allowing their boys to switch genders casually so they can be peeping toms. Just another scare tactic.

We showered after Gym every day starting in 7th grade.

My daughter is in 9th grade & has never showered after gym.

Guess it just depends.

 

[dbrn]

It's crazy to me that so many kids in public schools regularly find themselves unclothed in a locker room. We all took PE in summer school and so went home afterwards and did not shower in the gym -- I don't know a single person, other than the boys on the football team, who showered and changed clothes in a locker room at school. That always seemed like something that only happened on TV to me.

Wish I had gone to school where you did. We all had to change in a big locker room with just benches, and had to take a full shower in an open shower room after class. Like another person said, it was part of our grade, and our showers were recorded. The only exceptions were for your monthly period, when you could take a partial, and that was tracked. There was one bathroom stall, and the teacher watched to ensure that people weren't using it as a changing room so that it could be used by those who needed to use the bathroom. It was bad enough as it was; I wouldn't have wanted to have to change and shower with individuals of the opposite sex.

I saw a video of someone who went to Target, obviously a male, dressed and talked like a male, who went to Customer Service and said he identified as a female and wanted to make sure he could go into the women's room regardless of how the women felt. He was assured that their policy was that he could, in fact, use the women's room. People like him, who would choose to go in just to prove that he could, or people who would take advantage of the policy, are more concerning to me than a transgender individual. I have to admit, seeing that video is the thing that has made me the most uncomfortable.

I stopped at a rest area in the middle of the night not too long ago. My protective (and yes, learned) instinct, if I saw someone who appeared male standing in the women's restroom in that circumstance, would be to leave the situation. Now, with new laws and policies, I don't know if I would follow that protective instinct or ignore it so as not to offend someone who identifies as female and feels most comfortable in that restroom (or who must use that restroom by law despite the fact that they look for all the world to be a man). It's certainly given me pause for thought. It surprised me how vulnerable I suddenly felt, and the uncertainty I felt about a situation that wouldn't have felt uncertain to me at all previously.

 

[mom2rtk]

We showered after Gym every day starting in 7th grade.

My daughter is in 9th grade & has never showered after gym.

Guess it just depends.

Same here. Gym teacher stood by the exit to the communal shower checking names off the list as you exited.

So glad my kids didn't have to do that.

 

[dadtoagirl03]

I'm pretty tired of people ignoring facts that don't fit their agenda. Those pesky facts always get in the way of a good whine session.

 

[msjprincess]

I'm pretty tired of people ignoring facts that don't fit their agenda. Those pesky facts always get in the way of a good whine session.

Me too.

 

[TXWAC]

Wish I had gone to school where you did. We all had to change in a big locker room with just benches, and had to take a full shower in an open shower room after class. Like another person said, it was part of our grade, and our showers were recorded. The only exceptions were for your monthly period, when you could take a partial, and that was tracked. There was one bathroom stall, and the teacher watched to ensure that people weren't using it as a changing room so that it could be used by those who needed to use the bathroom. It was bad enough as it was; I wouldn't have wanted to have to change and shower with individuals of the opposite sex.

I saw a video of someone who went to Target, obviously a male, dressed and talked like a male, who went to Customer Service and said he identified as a female and wanted to make sure he could go into the women's room regardless of how the women felt. He was assured that their policy was that he could, in fact, use the women's room. People like him, who would choose to go in just to prove that he could, or people who would take advantage of the policy, are more concerning to me than a transgender individual. I have to admit, seeing that video is the thing that has made me the most uncomfortable.

I stopped at a rest area in the middle of the night not too long ago. My protective (and yes, learned) instinct, if I saw someone who appeared male standing in the women's restroom in that circumstance, would be to leave the situation. Now, with new laws and policies, I don't know if I would follow that protective instinct or ignore it so as not to offend someone who identifies as female and feels most comfortable in that restroom (or who must use that restroom by law despite the fact that they look for all the world to be a man). It's certainly given me pause for thought. It surprised me how vulnerable I suddenly felt, and the uncertainty I felt about a situation that wouldn't have felt uncertain to me at all previously.

It doesn't matter where this thing falls. Out in the wild your gut feelings about your safety should always win. Don't ever be shamed into doing something your not comfortable about. You don't owe anyone anything.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Wish I had gone to school where you did. We all had to change in a big locker room with just benches, and had to take a full shower in an open shower room after class. Like another person said, it was part of our grade, and our showers were recorded. The only exceptions were for your monthly period, when you could take a partial, and that was tracked. There was one bathroom stall, and the teacher watched to ensure that people weren't using it as a changing room so that it could be used by those who needed to use the bathroom. It was bad enough as it was; I wouldn't have wanted to have to change and shower with individuals of the opposite sex.

I saw a video of someone who went to Target, obviously a male, dressed and talked like a male, who went to Customer Service and said he identified as a female and wanted to make sure he could go into the women's room regardless of how the women felt. He was assured that their policy was that he could, in fact, use the women's room. People like him, who would choose to go in just to prove that he could, or people who would take advantage of the policy, are more concerning to me than a transgender individual. I have to admit, seeing that video is the thing that has made me the most uncomfortable.

I stopped at a rest area in the middle of the night not too long ago. My protective (and yes, learned) instinct, if I saw someone who appeared male standing in the women's restroom in that circumstance, would be to leave the situation. Now, with new laws and policies, I don't know if I would follow that protective instinct or ignore it so as not to offend someone who identifies as female and feels most comfortable in that restroom (or who must use that restroom by law despite the fact that they look for all the world to be a man). It's certainly given me pause for thought. It surprised me how vulnerable I suddenly felt, and the uncertainty I felt about a situation that wouldn't have felt uncertain to me at all previously.

Your locker room experience sounds horrible. No way would I be comfortable with that regardless of transgender students. They recorded you? That sounds like a huge personal violation.
You have to look at the Target video and realize it's a set up. Men aren't dressing in dresses and overrunning Target bathrooms. The few times you hear about it ( like this video) it was done on purpose to scare people.
Who cares if the guy went in the bathroom anyways? Really, think about it. What's he going to do? If he's planning on doing something illegal anyways , why would a law about going in the restroom about him? It's not like someone is going to think "gee, I'd love to molest someone in the Target bathroom but damn it, I can't break the law and go in there"
Also, if they are following the law, you might end up with people who look and live as men but we're born women in the bathroom. Bathroom laws tell them they must use the women's room.
You should always trust your instincts. If you feel uncomfortable in a situation , leave.

 

[rajak73]

Your locker room experience sounds horrible. No way would I be comfortable with that regardless of transgender students. They recorded you? That sounds like a huge personal violation.

Back in them days, we didn't get offended by every little thing.

it was done on purpose to scare people

I don't get it was done to "scare" people, I'd guess more to show how dumb it is to say I can use any room I want because that's just how I "feel" today! And the ones worrying about molesting in the bathroom are just wrong, that's very few and far between. Most are not molested in a bathroom.

Bathroom laws tell them they must use the women's room.

There's laws about bathroom use?

 

[DopeyDame]

Wish I had gone to school where you did. We all had to change in a big locker room with just benches, and had to take a full shower in an open shower room after class. Like another person said, it was part of our grade, and our showers were recorded. The only exceptions were for your monthly period, when you could take a partial, and that was tracked. There was one bathroom stall, and the teacher watched to ensure that people weren't using it as a changing room so that it could be used by those who needed to use the bathroom. It was bad enough as it was; I wouldn't have wanted to have to change and shower with individuals of the opposite sex.

I saw a video of someone who went to Target, obviously a male, dressed and talked like a male, who went to Customer Service and said he identified as a female and wanted to make sure he could go into the women's room regardless of how the women felt. He was assured that their policy was that he could, in fact, use the women's room. People like him, who would choose to go in just to prove that he could, or people who would take advantage of the policy, are more concerning to me than a transgender individual. I have to admit, seeing that video is the thing that has made me the most uncomfortable.

I stopped at a rest area in the middle of the night not too long ago. My protective (and yes, learned) instinct, if I saw someone who appeared male standing in the women's restroom in that circumstance, would be to leave the situation. Now, with new laws and policies, I don't know if I would follow that protective instinct or ignore it so as not to offend someone who identifies as female and feels most comfortable in that restroom (or who must use that restroom by law despite the fact that they look for all the world to be a man). It's certainly given me pause for thought. It surprised me how vulnerable I suddenly felt, and the uncertainty I felt about a situation that wouldn't have felt uncertain to me at all previously.

But in most states there are NO laws about which bathroom a person should use. So a man, who was born a man, dressed as a man, who identifies as a man, could already go into a womans bathroom virtually anywhere in the country anyway. Years ago, that same guy could have just as easily walked into a womans room in Target and would have broken no laws at all.
It's really not uncommon for women to use the mens rooms when the womens rooms have lines out the building. I've done it and so have many others on this very thread.

This really seems to be a solution in search of a problem.

 

[Mrs. Ciz]

Your locker room experience sounds horrible. No way would I be comfortable with that regardless of transgender students. They recorded you? That sounds like a huge personal violation.

Pretty sure the poster meant they kept a record (checked kids names on the list) verses actually recorded (video taped) the kids showering.

 

[SirDuff]

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I saw a video of someone who went to Target, obviously a male, dressed and talked like a male, who went to Customer Service and said he identified as a female and wanted to make sure he could go into the women's room regardless of how the women felt. He was assured that their policy was that he could, in fact, use the women's room. People like him, who would choose to go in just to prove that he could, or people who would take advantage of the policy, are more concerning to me than a transgender individual. I have to admit, seeing that video is the thing that has made me the most uncomfortable.

I saw a similarly staged video but from the "other side". Some "obviously a male, dressed and talked like a male" went to the desk in a state building in NC (I want to say the State Capitol, but could be remembering incorrectly) saying that they needed to use women's room because he was biologically female. So, "People like him, who would choose to go in just to prove that he could, or people who would take advantage of the policy, are more concerning to me than a transgender individual. I have to admit, seeing that video is the thing that has made me the most uncomfortable."

My point being - if people are using videos like the one you reported to "prove" that the laws in NC are needed to protect women, the exact same tacit can be used to "prove" that the laws in NC are, in fact, putting these women at risk.

 

[msjprincess]

I saw a similarly staged video but from the "other side". Some "obviously a male, dressed and talked like a male" went to the desk in a state building in NC (I want to say the State Capitol, but could be remembering incorrectly) saying that they needed to use women's room because he was biologically female. So, "People like him, who would choose to go in just to prove that he could, or people who would take advantage of the policy, are more concerning to me than a transgender individual. I have to admit, seeing that video is the thing that has made me the most uncomfortable."

My point being - if people are using videos like the one you reported to "prove" that the laws in NC are needed to protect women, the exact same tacit can be used to "prove" that the laws in NC are, in fact, putting these women at risk.

Exactly. That has been my argument from day one. Neither scenario will stop perverts from getting in the women's room if that's what people are worried about.

 

[phorsenuf]

I was traveling this week and had a layover in Baltimore. I walked into the ladies room and there was a guy in there! So you know what I did? I just looked at him, walked into the stall and peed. Oh the horrors of seeing him there!!