Transferring points question

[cherylp3]

This is an example

I have a June UY at BWV and 150 points.

In Jan, I make a reservation for
bwv for december using all on my 150 points that I'll get in june.

In November, someone says they have 20 points that expire 12/31 for rent or transfer at a discount price. I buy the 20 points in Nov and have them transferred to my account.

What I now want to do is use those 20 points and 130 or my points for my December reservation. Is this possible?

That would leave me with 20 of my points that don't expire until June and that I could still bank if I wanted to.

Thanks Cheryl

 

[TammyAlphabet]

Only MS can do this, but I think they will "reallocate" the points so that the transferred points are used in the current reservation. Call before you buy!

 

[CarolMN]

I disagree - it wouldn't be fair to other members who may be on the waitlist to just reallocate/substiture points. This would be especially true if the points transferred in were from another resort. But IMHO, it would be wrong to just substitute at a later date no matter where the points came from because they were not available to the person with the reservation when the original reservartion was made.

It's my understanding that to accomplish the "substitution", MS cancels the original reservation and makes a new one. You could lose some or all of the reservation days if there were waitlists (probably are for BWV dates in December).

I agree that it's a good idea to call before you arrange the transfer - be sure to talk to a Supervisor so you can be sure of getting the right info. If it were me, I'd also write down the name of the Supervisor I talk to.

Best wishes -

 

[cherylp3]

When points get transferred: Do they get transferred as the buyers use year or the sellers use year?

 

[CarolMN]

When points get transferred: Do they get transferred as the buyers use year or the sellers use year?

If the use year of the transferred points overlaps two of the recipient's use years, MS can put the points in either. If you plan to use the transfered points for a particular reservation, tell MS so that the CM can put them in the proper use year.

It's my understanding that transfered points can be banked, but banked points cannot be transferred.

Best wishes -

 

[Caskbill]

This is an example

I have a June UY at BWV and 150 points.

In Jan, I make a reservation for
bwv for december using all on my 150 points that I'll get in june.

In November, someone says they have 20 points that expire 12/31 for rent or transfer at a discount price. I buy the 20 points in Nov and have them transferred to my account.

What I now want to do is use those 20 points and 130 or my points for my December reservation. Is this possible?

That would leave me with 20 of my points that don't expire until June and that I could still bank if I wanted to.

Thanks Cheryl

First, there's no January Use Year so nobody would ever have any points that expire Dec 31st.

Now, when MS makes transfers a number of things can happen. Technically transferred points are suppose to retain their original use year and original home resort. But this doesn't really happen as the computer systems have to assign points to one of your existing accounts. If you only own BWV and someone transfers OKW points to you, they currently wind up in your BWV account since you don't have an OKW account. Currently DVC does not have any way to temporarily create 'sub accounts' such as creating a temporary OKW sub-account for you to hold those transferred OKW points.

Most likely the points will transfer into your BWV June UY. In this case the points are absolutely no different than your regular BWV points so there's no reason to do anything. You can bank those points just like any of your other points. There is no reallocation of points on your reservation necessary.

If you own any other resorts, the transferred points may go there. Suppose you also own OKW. If the points being transferred are from an OKW owner they will go into your OKW account. If they are coming from a BWV owner, they will go into your BWV account. If they come from anyone else they might go into either, but you can decide which one.

Finally Use Year can be different as transferred points can actually change use years. You have a June UY so next year beginning 6/1 you will be in your 2006 UY. Suppose you find someone with a Dec UY and in Nov 2006 have them transfer points to you. But in Nov 2006 that Dec UY owner is still in their 2005 UY, since their 2006 UY won't begin until 12/1/06. In this case they are still 2005 points but will transfer into your June 2006 UY since your June 2005 UY has already passed.

There is one caveat: DVC is working to have transferred points retain their original home resort and use year month. If they get that system up and working, then any transferred points coming from a non BWV owner would retain their original resort and would be subject to all the same rules as if you owned those points under that home resort. For example, if today you own BWV and OKW points, you cannot make a reservation at 11-months using BWV points for a BWV stay, and at 7-months 'reallocate' the OKW points to that reservation since that would be trying to circumnavigate the 11/7 month windows. In this case, to reallocate points requires a cancellation and making a new reservation. The new reservation is subject to availability, with anyone on a wait list getting the reservation first.

Hope this helps

 

[Aneille]

First, there's no January Use Year so nobody would ever have any points that expire Dec 31st.

Now, when MS makes transfers a number of things can happen. Technically transferred points are suppose to retain their original use year and original home resort. But this doesn't really happen as the computer systems have to assign points to one of your existing accounts. If you only own BWV and someone transfers OKW points to you, they currently wind up in your BWV account since you don't have an OKW account. Currently DVC does not have any way to temporarily create 'sub accounts' such as creating a temporary OKW sub-account for you to hold those transferred OKW points.

Most likely the points will transfer into your BWV June UY. In this case the points are absolutely no different than your regular BWV points so there's no reason to do anything. You can bank those points just like any of your other points. There is no reallocation of points on your reservation necessary.

If you own any other resorts, the transferred points may go there. Suppose you also own OKW. If the points being transferred are from an OKW owner they will go into your OKW account. If they are coming from a BWV owner, they will go into your BWV account. If they come from anyone else they might go into either, but you can decide which one.

Finally Use Year can be different as transferred points can actually change use years. You have a June UY so next year beginning 6/1 you will be in your 2006 UY. Suppose you find someone with a Dec UY and in Nov 2006 have them transfer points to you. But in Nov 2006 that Dec UY owner is still in their 2005 UY, since their 2006 UY won't begin until 12/1/06. In this case they are still 2005 points but will transfer into your June 2006 UY since your June 2005 UY has already passed.

There is one caveat: DVC is working to have transferred points retain their original home resort and use year month. If they get that system up and working, then any transferred points coming from a non BWV owner would retain their original resort and would be subject to all the same rules as if you owned those points under that home resort. For example, if today you own BWV and OKW points, you cannot make a reservation at 11-months using BWV points for a BWV stay, and at 7-months 'reallocate' the OKW points to that reservation since that would be trying to circumnavigate the 11/7 month windows. In this case, to reallocate points requires a cancellation and making a new reservation. The new reservation is subject to availability, with anyone on a wait list getting the reservation first.

Hope this helps

It helped me! You answered some questions that I wanted to ask but haven't gotten around to.

I would like to transfer in pts from BCV but I own at BWV. I was hoping to be able to book 11 months out at BCV using the transferred in pts but I guess that isn't going to work.

I still will likely transfer in because I need the pts. but now I don't need to be to so selective of what I buy. Oh well.

Thanks again!

 

[Rpsemont]

In this case they are still 2005 points but will transfer into your June 2006 UY since your June 2005 UY has already passed.

In this scenario, would there be any restricitons on the points, banking wise or use wise?

Caskbil, Thanks so much for the explanation. I was really helpful to me.

In the big picture of things, I probably would love to own 25-50 more points. I can't afford them right now, still paying off the original contract, but some times I have a little cash lying around and was thinking that if can pick up small amounts of extra points when I can afford them, it will help me to manage my points. But it doesn't do any good to rent points that I can't somehow use for my existing reservations or bank as I would my own points, if I ever had any leftover.

 

[Dean]

The rules say the transfered in points retain their use year and home resort. Truth is the system can't track it that way. But DVC can track it manually so you can force them to give you the home resort priority of the transferred points but it is a pain to do so.

As for subbing points, it's possible given the right circumstances. Regardless of the use year or home resort of the points you want to sub, all you have to do is have enough days still available to reserve such that canceling a specific day or two then rebooking would not be a problem. And as long as you're within the 7 month window, you can do so even if the reservation were originally booked during the home resort priority.

 

[Fenceman]

Dean is correct. They must track the points manually. I did this for our current ressie.

I own at HH. I transfered enough OKW points from another member to reserver hard to get nights at OKW at the 11 month window. After the points had been transfered I had to call MS and explain what I was doing. They did have to involve a manager, go back and look up where the points came from and then make the ressie.

Then I used my HH points at the 7 month window to finish the ressie for the nights that were not hard to get.

This is a multiple room Thanksgiving reunion involving a Grand Gathering that has been a lot of work. I will let you know next month if it was worth it.