Trainer Killed By Whale at Seaworld (Orlando)

What a horrible, horrible thing to happen.:sad2: We were at Sea World in Orlando just a few weeks ago. Toward the end of the show, the trainers jumped out of the water and ran up and down the aisles shaking hands with audience members. I was sitting on the end of a bleacher with my grandson on my lap, and a female trainer stopped and high-fived him. Now I'm going to wonder...

There has never been a time when I've watched the Shamu show that I haven't thought about how quickly something could happen to any of the trainers. I'm always in awe at the size of the whales, especially when you see the trainers right on or next to them.

Such a sad story.:sad2:
 
Maybe they shouldn't perform but I can't see turning at least mostly tamed whales out to forage for themselves either. It worked with Willy but it was difficult

It didn't really "work" with Willy(Keiko) either. He ended up starving and they put him back into a bay where humans could look after him, until he died.

I feel bad for everyone involved, human, whale and families.
 
Just a slight thing about orcas. There is one transient pod on the west coast that attacks in the manner you described, they will even grab deer off the coast. MOST of them don't work like this, they eat fish like salmon.

The last time he was involved in an attack was very close to here. It was crappy little aquarium in Victoria BC where the tank was TINY. It closed shortly after. The trainer fell in and he held her under the water. The other trainer always felt very strongly he was "playing" with her. I've always taken that to mean that he viewed her as a toy, not that they were playing together.



This whale was captured from the wild. I've always wondered what pod they caught him from, and now with the reports he grabbed her I REALLY wonder. I also have always suspected that the man died in a similar manner that the lady in Victoria did, still his fault though....nobody saw it so we'll never totally know. They need to stop getting in the water with them. There is no reason for it, it does nothing for education, nothing for studying the species, nothing for the whales. It's really dumb entertainment on par with sticking somebody's head in a lion's mouth.

As great as Sea World is it's primary goal is not conservation or education, it's entertainment which honestly makes me a little less impressed with their care and knowlege of orcas. We've got an amazing aquarium here, there aren't cheesy things like water rides or people riding on whale's noses. They rescue a lot of animals and release as many as they possibly can. They've been involved with a couple rescues of young whales that got attatched to boats and reunited them with their pods. They had an otter from the Exxon until it sadly passed away last year. A ton of their revenue goes right back into conservation, it's not for profit. If you ever get a chance to go to the Vancouver aquarium the difference is like going to a library vs going to Disneyland. It's not as fun, you might not see as many animals because their enclosures are no where near as cramped, but they REALLY know what they are doing (interesting point they stopped keeping orcas over 15 years ago), they are world leaders, and they aren't there to entertain the masses but to educate them and make the world a better place for WILD animals.

I wonder how many of the pod died when they grabbed him? There is no need to keep these animals in captivity at all NONE of them we breed them and put them in other groups not in the family units they are born in as would naturally happen so you have orcas from different pods shoved together just for our fun. What other species has such contempt for any other species than our own? I mean look at believe you spend your childhood looking at a magnificant animal and your only dream for them is to stick them in a goldfish bowl!!!! You stated the original pond they kept Tilly in was tiny what do you think that puddle they keep all the whales in at sea world is, and I have to admit I am not that impressed with Busch Gardens behaviour to animals either. When I went there last time that big alligator they kept in a glass container on his own was replaced with some cute otters. I asked what happened to the big alligator and was told he had been put in with 2 other big males but unfortunatly they had fought and he didn't survive the fight. So they put 3 solitary terratorial males in a confined area and the one they moved to rehome some cute otters ended up dead. :scared1:

"wow! wonder what provoked it?" How about being forced to play stupid tricks to keep people entertained and kept in small tanks with nothing to do. An animal that can dive hundreds of feed kept in a tank 25 by 25 what do you think if we where kept like that?
 
These animals are certainly wild but I've been told that they are like ambassadors for truly wild sea creatures and I can see that logic too. They educate and people learn to appreciate them.

Maybe they shouldn't perform but I can't see turning at least mostly tamed whales out to forage for themselves either. It worked with Willy but it was difficult.

Sea World also does a great deal of good. So there's that too.

I'm trying to confirm this but there are reports that this whale is the only captive whale involved with human deaths. That is interesting if true.
Not true 24th Decemeber 2009 a trainer in Loro Parque wasa killed by a killer whale

http://oceanicdefense.blogspot.com/2010/01/killer-whale-drowns-trainer.html

Have a read of what real research has found about whales and dolphins and then explain how we have the right to do what we do at Seaworld to the second most intellegent species on the planed

http://current.com/items/91825903_scientists-say-dolphins-should-be-treated-as-non-human-persons.htm

Other research has shown dolphins can solve difficult problems, while those living in the wild co-operate in ways that imply complex social structures and a high level of emotional sophistication.

In one recent case, a dolphin rescued from the wild was taught to tail-walk while recuperating for three weeks in a dolphinarium in Australia.

After she was released, scientists were astonished to see the trick spreading among wild dolphins who had learnt it from the former captive.

There are many similar examples, such as the way dolphins living off Western Australia learnt to hold sponges over their snouts to protect themselves when searching for spiny fish on the ocean floor.

Such observations, along with others showing, for example, how dolphins could co-operate with military precision to round up shoals of fish to eat, have prompted questions about the brain structures that must underlie them.

When it comes to intelligence, however, brain size is less important than its size relative to the body.

What Marino and her colleagues found was that the cerebral cortex and neocortex of bottlenose dolphins were so large that “the anatomical ratios that assess cognitive capacity place it second only to the human brain”. They also found that the brain cortex of dolphins such as the bottlenose had the same convoluted folds that are strongly linked with human intelligence.

Such folds increase the volume of the cortex and the ability of brain cells to interconnect with each other. “Despite evolving along a different neuroanatomical trajectory to humans, cetacean brains have several features that are correlated with complex intelligence,” Marino said.

Marino and Reiss will present their findings at a conference in San Diego, California, next month, concluding that the new evidence about dolphin intelligence makes it morally repugnant to mistreat them.

Thomas White, professor of ethics at Loyola Marymount University, Los Angeles, who has written a series of academic studies suggesting dolphins should have rights, will speak at the same conference.

“The scientific research . . . suggests that dolphins are ‘non-human persons’ who qualify for moral standing as individuals,” he said.

You want us to show our "humanity" declare whales and dolphin sentient stop all hunting, and leave them in the wild where they belong not perfominng parlour tricks which only teaches us that we are some how better than them and we deserve to see this fun.
 

But it seems that bringing up his history is an effort to demonstrate that the whale is the one at fault.


I am not a huge fan of sea world. In fact the ONLY show I enjoy is Pets Ahoy! Yes, I enjoy the dogs, cats, rats, and pig at Sea World--not so much the sea life.

Someone posted that the whale would lose his life. I certainly hope not. It's not like he can escape a cage and go on the prowl and attack. Just keep people out of his pool and voila!

i believe she brought this up because one of the other pp said to get the facts straight about this whale and the death of other trainers, not blaming the whale but because other trainers may have died when in contact with this whale.

I am also on the side of the whale. I do feel horrible for the trainer but they are wild creatures. Yes the trainers know there is a danger, however, if this whale was involved somehow in other deaths then they should not have been swimming with him.
 
Saw this--so tragic
Poor animals kept in captivity, they snap for just a second and the results are catastrophic. Poor girl...bless her heart:sad1:

I said the same thing...he is not meant to be in captivity so let him go and be free...Free Willy....I do send prayers to the trainers family...I can't imagine..
 
My thoughts and prayers are with the trainers family and friends at this time. What a devestating loss.
 
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If you read the Shamu's FAQ on Sea World's site, many of their animals (not just orcas) are rescues captured in the wild, many are injured to the point that they cannot be returned to the wild. Thousands are bred in captivity. With this being true, they cannot just release these animals. They would not survive.

Being that this whale was not released back after the first incident but sold, maybe there were extenuating circumstances that made it impossible for the whale to be released and made the trainers at Sea World believe he could be trained.
 
i believe she brought this up because one of the other pp said to get the facts straight about this whale and the death of other trainers, not blaming the whale but because other trainers may have died when in contact with this whale.

I am also on the side of the whale. I do feel horrible for the trainer but they are wild creatures. Yes the trainers know there is a danger, however, if this whale was involved somehow in other deaths then they should not have been swimming with him.

They were not "swimming with him." In fact that wasn't allowed. In this case, the whale came up and grabbed Dawn Brancheau into the water. She was at the side of the tank after finishing the Dine with Shamu show.

Since no one saw Keltie Byrne's death we can say if she fell into his tank or if she was pulled in too.

I don't know why people are taking "sides" here? I don't get that at all. A woman is dead. And yes, the whale killed her, while I doubt it was intentional, she did die due to his actions.

You can argue that we shouldn't catch Orcas and hold them in captivity (which I don't think is common practice any more) but I don't understand why people are taking 'sides.'
 
The thing that makes me crazy about the reporting and the chatter after any kind of animal related death is the way people ascribe intent to the animal-as if it were a person committing a murder. Wild animals-even those kept in captivity-are still animals. They are not capable of forming intent. They are doing what animals do.

WESH-2 news this morning said that the information from Sea World is that the whale will not be euthanized.

This is a tragic accident and my heart goes out to the trainer's loved ones, and to the whole Sea World family.
 
These animals are too smart for it to be 'an accident'.

While I agree with you that orcas have high intelligence I have to agree with the others who have suggested that the orca (who naturally have bonding and relationship instincts) may have been trying to protect the trainer (ala, Montecore the Tiger protecting Ziegfried and Roy) and that the way may not have known that humans can't breathe under water. So it could be that.
 
They were not "swimming with him." In fact that wasn't allowed. In this case, the whale came up and grabbed Dawn Brancheau into the water. She was at the side of the tank after finishing the Dine with Shamu show.

Since no one saw Keltie Byrne's death we can say if she fell into his tank or if she was pulled in too.

I don't know why people are taking "sides" here? I don't get that at all. A woman is dead. And yes, the whale killed her, while I doubt it was intentional, she did die due to his actions.

You can argue that we shouldn't catch Orcas and hold them in captivity (which I don't think is common practice any more) but I don't understand why people are taking 'sides.'

I am not arguing anything, I was responding to the pp about getting facts straight. As far as being on the side on the whale, what I mean by that is that they are wild creatures and I don't think that he should be killed for this. I never said it was intentional, I have been to sea world too many times and sen the interaction between the whales and trainers.
 
I am not arguing anything, I was responding to the pp about getting facts straight. As far as being on the side on the whale, what I mean by that is that they are wild creatures and I don't think that he should be killed for this. I never said it was intentional, I have been to sea world too many times and sen the interaction between the whales and trainers.

It was a general 'you' and several posters have mentioned taking sides.

I quoted you about the swimming with him part, which I bolded to show that was the part of your post that I was responding to.

I then moved on to further issues in subsequent paragraphs. Sorry if you thought differently.
 
There was a piece on Good Morning America on this this morning. A representative from Sea World said that Dawn's (the trainer) ponytail hit Tilly in the face (he used a technical term, but I forgot what it is) They think that is what started it...not sure if he was "playing" or the ponytail agitated him, but they think that that is where things started to go wrong. He also said that they are keeping him, and will contunue to provide him with food and mental stimulation, but not sure in what capacity he will interact with the public.
 
Yep. According to the Sea World rep, they aren't putting Tili down...they're keeping him.
 
I just saw this in my local paper. The trainer grew up here and her sister still lives here. The sister said that Dawn had wanted to work with the whales since she was 9 and on her first visit to Sea World. Very sad and tragic that this happened.
 
While I agree with you that orcas have high intelligence I have to agree with the others who have suggested that the orca (who naturally have bonding and relationship instincts) may have been trying to protect the trainer (ala, Montecore the Tiger protecting Ziegfried and Roy) and that the way may not have known that humans can't breathe under water. So it could be that.

No, no....... I should clarify. I don't mean "This wasn't an accident, he wanted her dead!!!!". I just meant - this wasn't an accident, with whatever happened. Be it, an intentional killing, an intentional play, or an intentional protection (like you suggested). I just feel they're too smart for accidental, JMHO, of course.

I guess none of us will ever know. It's really sad, and tragic - on both sides, orca and trainer.
 
Also - my husband has a thing for watching those stinking Nat Geo channels, and the like. And I watched one on orca's (so that makes me an expert, right? ;) )

I was actually really shocked at how brutal, and vicious and plotting, these mammals, were. I just had no idea. They stalk their prey, for hundreds of miles, and presumably plotting, I imagine.

They work in pods to train their young, and are serious predators. I just had no idea.

Once I saw this show, I remember thinking "What the heck are people doing in the water with these things???" The same animal that uses sea lions as a ball, of sorts - popping it back and forth to orca's in their pod, like a rag doll, these humans just jump in the tank with, and 'ride' across the water. :sad2:

Again - whole thing is sad. :guilty:
 
I'm not blaming the whale. Or the trainer. It was a horrible accident. However, I do agree that there is no way that this whale should have been used with the public in any capacity. He was the primary whale for "Dine with Shamu." That IS Sea World's fault.
I think that you are misunderstanding what 'Dine with Shamu' is. The diners don't interact directly with the orca. They eat their meals while the trainer interacts with the animal.
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There are reports coming out that the whales were agitated earlier in the day and one of the Believe shows were cut short and that there were some 'issues' in recent days regarding the whales.
It's amazing how many incorrect reports there are related to this accident. According to SeaWorld trainers, the animals were not 'agitated'.

There have also been reports that the animal grabbed her around the waist and dragged her into the pool. This is also incorrect. At the time if the accident, she was laying down rubbing him. Her long ponytail was hitting him in the face, he grabbed it and went under, apparently trying to play with whatever toy or treat she had given him.

Other reports have him holding her in his jaws and thrashing about (like a shark, I presume). This is also likely untrue. The thrashing was likely the trainer trying to free her hair from his mouth and get back to the surface.

It is truly sad that this accident happened and I feel for the trainer's loved ones, but accidents happen.
 
No, no....... I should clarify. I don't mean "This wasn't an accident, he wanted her dead!!!!". I just meant - this wasn't an accident, with whatever happened. Be it, an intentional killing, an intentional play, or an intentional protection (like you suggested). I just feel they're too smart for accidental, JMHO, of course.

I guess none of us will ever know. It's really sad, and tragic - on both sides, orca and trainer.
I disagree that with the premise that because the animals are somewhat intelligent that they cannot accidently kill a human. After all, humans are much more intelligent that orcas, but we occasionally kill each other.

Accidents happen and we happen to be extremely delicate creatures.
 

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