Tour Guide Mike-- not much of a plan!!

[C.Ann]

You may not care about waiting in long lines, but most people do. .

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I'm curious as to what makes you think that everyone will have to "wait in long lines" if they don't avail themselves of TGM's info? It's kind of like saying if Mike hasn't told you where Cinderella's castle is, you're going to "miss" it..

 

[JohnNJ]

Most people do? Is that why then most people wait in those long lines as opposed to getting fast passes? Funny how I see most people in those long lines enjoying lighthearted conversations with each other and smiling away. I guess the term "most people" is extremely relevant.

Forget TGM for a moment.

You think "most people" do not get Fast Passes because they enjoy having light hearted conversations in line? You believe it's so because you see them smiling away on long lines. As opposed to what? Crying on long lines?

How do you expect anyone to take what you say seriously?

 

[Pedler]

Most people do? Is that why then most people wait in those long lines as opposed to getting fast passes?

Mary,

Most people still don't understand how Fast Pass works. I know, I find it inconcievable too but in our jaded society I have talked to more than one person going to or back from Disney that didn't use fast pass for a variety of reasons, none of them made any sense.

Also hats off to those that enjoy waiting in lines. If they are enjoying thier vacations then that is great. Just the same there is nothing wrong with other people trying to reduce the time in lines. Both types of vacations, waiting in long lines and not waiting in long lines are fine ways to travel. Heck any way to go to WDW is fine.

Now down to less than 2 days!

 

[Pedler]

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It's kind of like saying if Mike hasn't told you where Cinderella's castle is, you're going to "miss" it..

Is that what that big pointy building is at the end of mainstreet?

 

[mking624]

Forget TGM for a moment.

You think "most people" do not get Fast Passes because they enjoy having light hearted conversations in line? You believe it's so because you see them smiling away on long lines. As opposed to what? Crying on long lines?

How do you expect anyone to take what you say seriously?

Well here's a good question, John....have you spoken with every last person in the world to know that what you're saying is 100% accurate? Because obviously the fact that at least two people don't care shows there's people out there who feel a certain way. So any time someone insists on saying "most people"...I wanna know how in depth their study of the people of the world has been. Some people simply do not mind waiting in those lines (IF they happen to be there, because they aren't always there). There are many people who know the way around long lines and choose not to utilize those ways. It just goes to show you that some people simply don't care. You're obviously not one of them, but it doesn't mean everyone in the world thinks the same way you do....and for goodness sake, that's ok!!

Why are you so dead set in getting me to agree with you? It's not gonna happen. Just enjoy your vacationing style and I'll enjoy mine.

 

[C.Ann]

The biggest planning tenant of TGM is to avoid waiting in long lines. To do that you plan your day out a bit and the order you may see attractions. To some people its worth it to avoid the lines to others it doesn't really matter. To each thier own.

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I understand that.. The only point that I'm trying to make is that for some people it's possible to do exactly what you've stated above without the benefit of the tour guide.. The notion that it's impossible to accomplish that without the tour guide is where I get hung up.. As my mom always said, "The proof is in the pudding.." Been there, done that - without TGM.. So - for ME, it's not worth spending the money on - for others, it might be..

 

[mking624]

Mary,

Most people still don't understand how Fast Pass works. I know, I find it inconcievable too but in our jaded society I have talked to more than one person going to or back from Disney that didn't use fast pass for a variety of reasons, none of them made any sense.

Also hats off to those that enjoy waiting in lines. If they are enjoying thier vacations then that is great. Just the same there is nothing wrong with other people trying to reduce the time in lines. Both types of vacations, waiting in long lines and not waiting in long lines are fine ways to travel. Heck any way to go to WDW is fine.

Now down to less than 2 days!

You're right about the fastpass. But then there are plenty of people who DO know about FPs and simply choose not to use them. My husband and I do that quite frequently (in fact we just did that on our most recent trip a couple of weeks ago) and I know many others who are the same way.

And I fully agree with you...BOTH types of vacations are fine ways to travel. It's whatever works for that family. There's no point in trying to debate a personal preference.

 

[C.Ann]

Is that what that big pointy building is at the end of mainstreet?

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No - it's that big, shiny "round" thing that some people mistakenly refer to as "the golf ball".. They've "updated" Cinderella's castle and she's moved to the other side of town.. Betcha didn't know that, huh?

 

[JohnNJ]

I'm curious as to what makes you think that everyone will have to "wait in long lines" if they don't avail themselves of TGM's info?

People that don't plan, using any information source, have a better chance of waiting in long lines than those that do some planning. Sure, some people never plan and just bypass any rides with long lines with the hope that the line will be shorter another time. Whatever works for you.

 

[Pedler]

. So any time someone insists on saying "most people"...I wanna know how in depth their study of the people of the world has been. Some people simply do not mind waiting in those lines (IF they happen to be there, because they aren't always there). There are many people who know the way around long lines and choose not to utilize those ways. It just goes to show you that some people simply don't care.

Mary,

I am curious to what you think the distribution of answers would be to the following question to those people waiting in long lines.

"If you could wait no more than 10 minutes in any line for a ride and average under 5 minute wait with doing some preplanning of where to go before you got to WDW would you:"

A: Yes, I would preplan.
B: No, its not worth the effort to avoid lines
C: No, I prefer waiting in lines.

Not attacking but just curiouse to how you think the percentages would fall.

 

[vatmark]

Hee hee. I think it's pretty funny that there are people that like waiting in lines. These people must have very good children that never whine or these people don't have kids. Waiting in an hour long line with 2 kids whining about being hot and thristy and keep asking how much longer it will be before they get to go on the ride is not my idea of fun. My kids don't think it's much fun either.

Annie

 

[mking624]

Honestly? I don't know. Why? Because I know for me and my husband, we personally don't want to make an effort to avoid lines because just don't care. And as a rule of marketing says...for every 1 person who feels a certain way, there are at least 100 more who feel the same. That just indicates to me there are others who feel the same way you do...and there are others who feel the same way *I* do. So I'm not about to guess the percentages.

 

[Pedler]

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No - it's that big, shiny "round" thing that some people mistakenly refer to as "the golf ball".. They've "updated" Cinderella's castle and she's moved to the other side of town.. Betcha didn't know that, huh?

I knew it! DW kept trying to tell me that the castle was in MK! Hah! That is what she gets for reading Birnbaums.

Now, can you tell me where at the golf ball I check in for my ADR at CRT?

 

[Grumpy'n'Goofy]

If this is the kind of plan you are looking for- I highly suggest booking with Dreams Unlimited and their agents will give this kind of itinerary AND book all of your ADR's for you.

Not trying to rock the boat, but this is the last thing I would recomend after using Dreams Unlimited for our last trip (3 weeks ago). We didn't receive our itenerary until I emailed the president of the company (9 days prior to our trip). They were also not helpful w/ ADR's. They "forgot" to make one of our ADR's, and scheduled another less than hour after our plane was scheduled to land at MCO. I could go on and on about the problems we had, but my point here is that I don't think Dreams Unlimited would give the service/planning the OP wants.

 

[Pedler]

Honestly? I don't know. Why? Because I know for me and my husband, we personally don't want to make an effort to avoid lines because just don't care. And as a rule of marketing says...for every 1 person who feels a certain way, there are at least 100 more who feel the same. That just indicates to me there are others who feel the same way you do...and there are others who feel the same way *I* do. So I'm not about to guess the percentages.

If I could figure out how to post a poll question it would be an interesting one to ask. Any ideas on how to do it?

 

[vatmark]

Okay the key words here are "Me and my husband". No children involved. I wouldn't mind waiting on a line if it was just me an DH. Throw kids in and you have a whole different ballgame. If there is a way to avoid lines I am all for it.

Annie

 

[C.Ann]

People that don't plan, using any information source, have a better chance of waiting in long lines than those that do some planning. Sure, some people never plan and just bypass any rides with long lines with the hope that the line will be shorter another time. Whatever works for you.

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Based on what? Something written somewhere? Knowledge you've acquired through TGM? Personal experience?

All I know is what my personal experiences have been.. No waiting in long lines, no bypassing rides.. Can't really speak for anyone else, so I won't..

 

[JohnNJ]

Some people simply do not mind waiting in those lines.

There are many people who know the way around long lines and choose not to utilize those ways.

People that know how to avoid lines but choose not to.

 

[mking624]

If I could figure out how to post a poll question it would be an interesting one to ask. Any ideas on how to do it?

Posting a poll still wouldn't be the most accurate....because it's still not going to count every last person in the world.

It's like those studies that say "4 out of 5 blah blah blah". In other words, 80%. Well, what happens when you get 5 people in a room and all of them are part of the "5th person" group? Then the poll would really change, now, wouldn't it? It would then change to a 0%. But what happens if you got people in a room and they were that 1-4 group? Your percentage would go to 100%. It all can be very relative.

 

[mking624]

Okay the key words here are "Me and my husband". No children involved. I wouldn't mind waiting on a line if it was just me an DH. Throw kids in and you have a whole different ballgame. If there is a way to avoid lines I am all for it.

Annie

You must have missed my post when I said that I *have* traveled with larger groups where children were involved. Just last year in fact. Obviously it doesn't work for you. Doesn't mean it's that way for everyone.