Tonight's 20/20

I just watched the show online. Based on what I just saw I would say that Talyaa, the woman who claims she has stage 4 cancer and has left her 3 kids -one with Down's Syndrome - has Narcissistic personality disorder. I would even say that she has (from Wikipedia):

Aggressive narcissism:
This is Factor 1 in the Hare Psychopathy Checklist, which includes the following traits:
Glibness/superficial charm
Grandiose sense of self-worth
Pathological lying
Cunning/manipulative
Lack of remorse or guilt
Callous/lack of empathy
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions

These traits seem to fit her to a T.
 
I watched this and was horrified by the mom who moved thousands of miles away and hardly ever saw her children. I have no issue with a mom deciding the dad is the better parent and giving custody to him but I would hope she would want to be relatively close by to be part of their lives. Thank goodness her children's father is the man he is. I felt terrible for her kids and pray it will not effect them for the rest of their lives.
 
I didn't see the show, but someone commented that the special needs child was being mostly taken care of now by his 13 year old sibling.

Surely nobody believes things are working out well for that 13 year old....... I don't need to watch the show to know that child's life is forever changed for the worse.

And don't give me a link to watch it online anywhere. It would make me too angry.

...and whatever you do, DO NOT read her blog...your heart will break for that innocent little boy.
 

After reading all these posts, I watched it, and I feel it wasn't nearly as bad as people are making it sound. I was surprised, but I wasn't as upset as I expected to be. Some of these posts are taking things out of context.

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I know what you mean. But, I think if you read her blog and combine that with the show.... You will feel differently.
 
I know what you mean. But, I think if you read her blog and combine that with the show.... You will feel differently.

Now on the blog, I feel just like Mom2rtk. I'm afraid to read it because I will not be able to refrain from commenting...

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So after reading this lulu's blog, can anyone here seriously think this woman's kids would be better off with her in their home? I would not be a bit surprised to find the cancer cells have affected her brain- this is not meant sarcastically.
 
When a mom dont have an undying love for there children, nature has gone wrong

I am female & have never felt a connection to babies & have never wanted children. I just don't ohh & ahh over babies, toddlers or children. Its easy for me to completely ignore they are even in the room. I just don't care for them. I say I must be missing that gene or something.

Luckily, I'm almost 50 & no children by choice. People always said I would feel different if they were my own. Well, what if they were wrong. Why get pregnant & have something I just don't want? Seemed pretty stupid statement to me. :confused3

I do love cats though. :goodvibes

I do know a female who had 2 children and left them to the father & divorced. She's had lots of issues though, so I think she just has some mental problems.

Not all females should have children just because they can.
 
Lordy, this thread depressed the heck out of me. I have an 8 year old DD and I think about how her eyes light up when I pick her up from school or camp. And how comfy we both get when I hug her and tell her I love her every night. Every kid deserves that.

I used to work at a group home for teenage girls coming out of the foster care system. These girls had parents who I would describe as the worst of the worst. (Parents who sold sexual access to their kids for drug money, parents who beat them, parents who abandoned them, parents who were in prison.) I'm telling you, every last one of these girls would break down and cry for their moms. No matter what horrible things the mom had done, they wanted their mom. (The girls were 14-17 years old.)

It wasn't unusual to have moms who hadn't seen their kids in months or even years. And it wasn't unusual for them to call and tell their kids they were coming for a visit -- and then not show up. That was the worst.

Would any of these girls be better off being raised by these women? No. And I think that intellectually the kids knew that. But they wanted their moms in their lives in some substantial way. That complete physical absence of a mother seemed to create a lot of pain.

And I didn't see the same emotion when it came to dads. I don't know why. It was always their moms that they cried about.

I wish we lived in a perfect world where kids were 100% across the board loved and cared for in a great way. There's nothing that gets me down more than hearing about a child who suffers.
 
I don't understand leaving your kids like that, and I do not think it in any way is courageous or shows that you love your kids.

That said, I hate that women who do this are villianized more than men (and they ARE) and I think making it into too much of an issue DOES encourage some of the less mentally stable "bad" moms out there (and, I would say the mom in the story qualifies) to try harm their children and try to make it look like someone else did it--as a way to "escape" without living with the stigma of being a bad parent.


I also think it is terrible that society DOES pressure people to have children (and then is surprised when some who do don't end up being good parents). A PP noted that people always tell her she'll feel differently about kids if they are her own. WHY pressure someone who does not want to have kids to have them???:confused3

My sister and brother in law are childless by choice. They both agree that they do not have what it takes to offer a child the kind of love and attention s/he ought to have. I can;t tell you how many times even I have heard people tell them they are "selfish" or "lazy" for not having kids. People even said so in toasts at their wedding!

I think we, as a society, need to stop pressuring people to have children, or idolizing what it is like to have them, and we also need to understand that while someone who leaves their kids is NOT a good parent, or courageous, they are likely still then doing the best thing possible for the kids if they do not love or care about the kids enough to want to stay. Rather than pushing such parents into staying for fear of being looked down upon by society, just say "good riddance" and do our best to make life good for the kids in any other ways we can.

This sounds like the natural outcome /natural consequence of the "all things are acceptable" mentality that we as a society have adopted over the last few decades:

All choices are equal.
No one else has a right to question my moral decisions.
We all deserve this or that commercial product.
We have a right to happiness, no matter what that may mean to others.
Right and wrong are subjective.

This woman's choice to abandon her family is an extreme result of the "everyone gets a trophy" concept -- the adult version is "everyone can do anything they please".

Plenty of adults have already abandoned their children (or spouses, or other family members) -- even if they still live in the same household. Plenty of adults have put their own happiness first and ignored their children's needs. This woman's case is much, much more extreme than average, but she's not alone.

Somehow we've got to get back to some old-fashioned values, and we've got to realize that our actions do matter -- to our own futures, and to our children's futures. We've got to realize that sometimes putting aside your own happiness is the mature, adult thing to do.


I don't like the "everyone gets a trophy" thing, and I do think it contributes to issues with more and more adults not being able to cope, in a healthy way, with disappointment and frustration. But, I do not think it relates to this case at all. There have always been parents (both mothers and fathers) who leave their kids to selfishly go off and do whatever makes them happy. My oldest uncle was almost 3 when my grandfather came back from WWII to find that his son had been left at his parent's house with a letter from his wife that she had expected him to die and thought it would be fun to be a "war widow" but did not want to be married and hated having to care for a child, so she was leaving for good.

My uncle was an adult before he saw his birth mom again, and she expressed no regret at all about leaving to have the life she really wanted.

My cousins girlfriend left him and her three boys ages 2,3 and 5 (one was his, two were not but one of those he had been a father figure to since he was an infant). She came back once, a couple of weeks later, to get Her Wii that she forgot to take initially--she pried the controller out of the hands of her 5 year old and then pried the kid off of her and left. She signed over all custody rights and has not seen the younger two in the last 15 years (I do not know about the older one, the father of the oldest two wanted the one son back, but not the other and signed over legally custody of the other to my cousin--an HE has not seen that boy in all this time either; will not allow the brothers to have any contact).

There are now, and have always been, terrible parents out there. this is not new.


Actually, I don't think this is a part of that trend at all. There have always been a small number of women who abandon their children, either altogether or by making sure they have someone to look after them. These children are looked after, at least. Some women make truly terrible mothers, as some men make terrible fathers. Do I applaud them for leaving their children? No. They should never have had them at all. Do I think it's the better option if they do leave them, assuming someone else (the other parent, grandparents, the state even) can step in to take care of the kids? Heck yes.
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I am female & have never felt a connection to babies & have never wanted children. I just don't ohh & ahh over babies, toddlers or children. Its easy for me to completely ignore they are even in the room. I just don't care for them. I say I must be missing that gene or something.

Why is it ok for you to say that you can completely ignore them when they are in the room and don't care for them? Aren't children people too? Would you treat any person that way? I support an adult's decision not to have children 100% but when that person starts talking about not caring about children...they take it to a whole other realm named misanthropy.
 
Team men do this every day and nobody really thinks twice about it. They certainly don't make TV shows about it.

This woman is a selfish creep, but there are plenty of selfish creeps in the world. Too bad she decided to breed offspring she couldn't care less about, but plenty of men do that too.
 
Why is it ok for you to say that you can completely ignore them when they are in the room and don't care for them? Aren't children people too? Would you treat any person that way? I support an adult's decision not to have children 100% but when that person starts talking about not caring about children...they take it to a whole other realm named misanthropy.

Not everyone is a kid person. Yes, they are people, but having a conversation with a 5 year old, is not the same as having a conversation with an adult.
If I walk into a room full of people, I'm going to gravitate towards people I enjoy and stear clear of people I don't particularly have much in common with. It's natural. The poster isn't saying that because she doesn't enjoy kids no one should be allowed to have them and they aren't allowed within a 500 foot radius of her. She's saying that she's not hanging on them and oohing and ahhhing over them because she doesn't care for kids. I feel the same way about overly religious people or loud mouth drunks. I don't particularly like them, and do a pretty good job of ignoring them when they are in the room. It's just a personal preference.
 
i didn't see it but the whole idea of the show just rubs me the wrong way. Men do this each and every day by the thousands, but when women do it its newsworthy? Personally i don't have a lot of patience for that sort of gender-based double standard - parents who abandon their kids suck, but women who do it don't suck more than men who do the same. And they certainly shouldn't be given 15 minutes in the spotlight for it.

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I know quite a few custodial dads where mom is the one who has the every other weekend visitation, pays child support, attends kids events and games, etc etc. just like many dads do and have done for years. This is NOT the same as moms (AND dads) who truly abandon their kids as portrayed in the 20/20 episode. These moms I know well decided that it was the best choice for kids to stay with dad because dad could provide a better financial life for kids as opposed to mom struggling financially to provide even just a safe place for kids to live. Just because a dad has custody doesn't always mean that mom doesn't love her kids and doesn't want to be with them. Sometimes, as with the people I know, it was an excrutiating decision for mom but it was the best decision for the kids, and mom is very involved, and mom and dad get along quite well for the sake of the kids. You can't pigeon-hole all non-custodial parents! And there are also MANY dads who DO fulfill their child support responsibilities and are involved in their kids lives but overall I think non-custodial dads have a bad rep because of the ones who DON'T pay child support, just as it seems ALL non-custodial moms have a bad rep. What about the custodial parents who are horrible? You just cannot pigeon-hole all these people because there are so many variables. And with how the times have evolved from mom being the main care-taker of the kids to dads being just as involved with the kids as mom, there IS this shift to more custodial dads as opposed to back in earlier decades. When it comes down to it, the best decision for the kids sake is what matters.
 

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