Toddlers Not Wearing Swim Diapers

[kaysmommie]

maybe we just know our children. Why would a child who has been trained and not have an accident for 2 1/2 yrs suddenly have an accident? I would say the statistics are about the same as a 5 yr old having an accident or an adult.

Actually the worst accident is diarrhea and a disposable swim pant isn't going to contain that anyway. They are designed to hold a bulky stool inside and nothing more.

Your guessing on statistics! It's more the younger potty trained kids that I have seen have accidents at resort pools and we travel quite a bit. You don't want to purchase swim diapers but how would like to pay for other people's missed pool days because of a poop accident. Sounds fair to me. Alot of us spend a gerat deal of time and money at our resorts. Poly is $350 + per night. swim pants cost $6-9 for a package. Since you are cheap and don't want to waste money, well I don't want my $5000 vacation ruined by someone too cheap to buy a $6 package of swim pants. My DS3 will be following the rules and he won't be scared for life and he is the most picky child ever, but that is another issue. I know there are a few parents who do take their children to the potty ( I'm one of them) during pool time. But there are children who can't be bothered going to the restroom if suddenly they have to go. This thread is like beating a dead horse. rules are there for a reason.

 

[Skatermom23]

This whole thread actually made me laugh! Years ago, I might have felt the same way as the OP and wouldn't wanted to have damaged my poor little babies self esteem. As the parent of teenagers, I now know how ridiculous this statement is. It is all on how you present it to your kids. A three year old will pick up on your attitude and if you have a positive one then they won't think a thing about it. It's great that you are already so concerned about your kids self esteem because you will have plenty of other issues to worry about as they age that will make this one seem like nothing!!

Lets all remember that a little curtesy goes a long way and try to change this ME< ME< ME generation.

 

[seashoreCM]

Practically speaking, the only function of swim diapers is to contain solid matter. Still, the child should be removed from the water promptly and changed.

Keeping things clean: http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/clean.htm

 

[WantToGoNow]

Here's a pool rules sign from Coronado Springs:

Diaper age children would be those children who wear diapers. Some children stop wearing them as early as 12-18 months, some not until 4. Diaper age varies with the child -- my 3 y/o is not diaper age.

 

[Oceana]

For all you moms freaking out that a 3 year old wont be wearing a swim diaper... and all us moms saying we dont have our potty trained youngsters put them on... how do you think we spend time with our kids at the pool?

My 4 year old cannot yet swim... so I am on him like a hawk! My 2 year old also cannot swim and I will be in constant touch with him at all times. I wont be sitting at the bar while my kids take a solo dip in the pool or sunbathing while my kids play on the stairs. They dont have a baby pool, at least not that I have ever noticed and I have been with kids a number of times

My kids cannot swim and it would be irresposible and asking for an accident to do anything but watch them every second.

that said... I can tell when my kid poops... heck I can tell 3 minutes before it is gonna happen even when its unexpected by them. I know my kid and his body language... heck I can tell when my 2 year old is going to urinate

so lets say we have a potty trained child (which to me is not diaper age for MY child) and we are at the parks and busy playing... we could have an accident... heck they are short and often what we see as their parents is the top of their heads as they walk beside us or their backs as we walk along ahead

but at the pool... we are closer we are touching my hands are around my kids waist and I can feel the subtle movements of the digestive tract... i can feel muscles tense I can see their faces and see their body language working to hold it or giving into to release

is this really so unusual?

so what is "diaper age" well in the US in the 1950s 100% of 18 month olds were potty trained! Today only 10% The Healthydiapers site linked below states that cloth diapers encourage earlier potty training. I do note that many of us mommas who say... I am not putting a diaper of any sort on my potty learned child also said the word cloth when discussing our diapering experiance... this could be telling. Cloth diaper mommas potty learning expectations are prob very different. we didnt use pull ups so any accident had was a pretty big deal even a tiny drop... so we k now when we have even the itsy bitsy tiniest accident every single time. we wash the underpants so we know when that bottom is not wiped well

and who gets to decide what "diaper age" is? The parent? The hotel? so a chinese kid who was potty trained around birth (having learned elimination communication) is going to be forced in a diaper because Americans are behind on their potty learning efforts

come on people!


Stats at http://www.healthydiapers.com/potty.html

 

[Princess Stitch]

Your guessing on statistics! It's more the younger potty trained kids that I have seen have accidents at resort pools and we travel quite a bit. You don't want to purchase swim diapers but how would like to pay for other people's missed pool days because of a poop accident. Sounds fair to me. Alot of us spend a gerat deal of time and money at our resorts. Poly is $350 + per night. swim pants cost $6-9 for a package. Since you are cheap and don't want to waste money, well I don't want my $5000 vacation ruined by someone too cheap to buy a $6 package of swim pants. My DS3 will be following the rules and he won't be scared for life and he is the most picky child ever, but that is another issue. I know there are a few parents who do take their children to the potty ( I'm one of them) during pool time. But there are children who can't be bothered going to the restroom if suddenly they have to go. This thread is like beating a dead horse. rules are there for a reason.

I agree with this. For those of you who say your children are potty trained beyond a doubt and don't want your 2 or 3 year old wearing a swim pant, are you prepared to offer compensation to the resort guests who can't use the pool for days after if they DO have an accident?

More importantly, would you even tell the lifeguard if they had an accident? or would that be too damaging to their self esteem as well?

Just because your kid hasn't had an accident in a long time, doesn't mean they NEVER will.

 

[twinmom2]

TwinMom2,

And like I said as the mother of 4 a SWIM PANT is not going to undermine potty training if it is explained to the child in the right way that is to be worn only in the pool and only for vacation.And the child is given praise and encouragement about potty training. You child is not going to be scarred for life or backslide or be diapers for the rest of his life just because they have to wear a swim pant for a week. If it does then obviously they were'nt trained very well to begin with.And I am guessing that most elderly people rather than facing the embarassment of having an accident in the pool would get themselves out of the pool and go as soon as they felt the urge. And I guess you are right you are one of those people who think that they have some kind of special entitlement that puts you above the rest of us so the rules and common courtesy to your fellow vacationers don't apply to you. And FYI my potty trained 4yo will be wearing a swim pant because manners and courtesy still apply for my family even when my family is on vacation.And I would rather be safe than sorry.

Blessed Be,
Tina

Your quote "And the child is given praise and encouragement about potty training".
We don't need advice on explaining anything about swim pants to our children. Everything has been explained and all the praise and encouragement has been giving because like I said THEY ARE ALREADY POTTY TRAINED.
Never did I say my child would be "scarred for life". Another {edit}t!!

Your quote again "If it does then obviously they were'nt trained very well to begin with." you are full of assumptions.....again, I never said the above statements and for my children who were fully potty trained just after turning two, I would say they WERE trained very well!!

Your Quote "And I guess you are right you are one of those people who think that they have some kind of special entitlement that puts you above the rest of us so the rules and common courtesy to your fellow vacationers don't apply to you". Did you see the sign posted by another poster????? It said Diaper age children!!!!

Gald to see your 4 yr old will be in "diapers" because that is what it is.

Tiger926--your quote
"You can argue with this all you want, but as a Special Education teacher of at-risk kids, I observe and assess in my sleep and this is what I observe each and every time we are at WDW - since we go mostly in the summer, at least several times per trip, pools are closed due to accidents, period. It happens because parents and kids get lazy, which means more propensity for accidents, especially amongst 1-4 year old children, thus the swim pant rule".

Exactly, "at- risk kids".....ok, point said. these are the 1-4 year old that are in a pool with no supervision. edit that makes me so angry. If you know anything about "at-risk kids" you never would have made that comment. All I have ever done is work with this population, so if you know anything, you would also know that the type of social and economic background they come from puts them in this awful labeled "at-risk" catergory. edit

"Children pick up what they are presented, so when it's presented in a negative way, then that's what's going to happen".
ummm, it is not presented in any way because it is not a discussion we have with them. Again another assumption on how other parents parent thier children.

edit, edit

Oceana:: totally agree. My children will NEVER be in any kind of water alone!! Of course, as a parent you can tell when your child needs to potty, especially when you are always an arm length away. For anyone to assume different you are posting to the wrong parents on this board. Maybe some parents are not as in touch with thier children as they think they are.

kaysmommie:: "But there are children who can't be bothered going to the restroom if suddenly they have to go. This thread is like beating a dead horse. rules are there for a reason".
Those are children who were not potty trained very well. I did see the rules, thanks!!

thanks for all the parenting advice... it was taken with a grain of salt.

 

[Hannathy]

I agree with this. For those of you who say your children are potty trained beyond a doubt and don't want your 2 or 3 year old wearing a swim pant, are you prepared to offer compensation to the resort guests who can't use the pool for days after if they DO have an accident?

More importantly, would you even tell the lifeguard if they had an accident? or would that be too damaging to their self esteem as well?

Just because your kid hasn't had an accident in a long time, doesn't mean they NEVER will.

Well actually in my case it does. The child I was talking about never putting a swim diaper on NEVER did have an accident, not in the pool, not in an airplane, not even ever at night from the time she was 18 months old and seeing she is in Highschool and at the top of her class I feel pretty safe in saying she is completely potty trained! If people could just be counted on for being honest none of this would be a problem. I knew my DD would not go in the pool, she would have held it forever before she did that. I knew it then I know it now. If you aren't sure wear one but if you are then I'm not wasting money on a useless item.

Yes I would tell the lifeguard. I also give back extra change and don't cut lines or lie about my child's age.

And yes you can fine me if my child went in the pool because it would cost me less than buying un needed diapers.

 

[Oceana]

At my local Y, they close the pool for 24 hours if there is an accident of any sort in the pool, someone ends up taking water in their lungs and has to be pulled out, someone accidentally poops in the pool, someone vomits in the pool, someone gets hurt and bleeds in the pool

for those of you who experiance pool closings... do you always assume it is a child who had an "accident"? could it never be any of the other possibilitys?

 

[Princess Stitch]

Well actually in my case it does. The child I was talking about never putting a swim diaper on NEVER did have an accident, not in the pool, not in an airplane, not even ever at night from the time she was 18 months old and seeing she is in Highschool and at the top of her class I feel pretty safe in saying she is completely potty trained! If people could just be counted on for being honest none of this would be a problem. I knew my DD would not go in the pool, she would have held it forever before she did that. I knew it then I know it now. If you aren't sure wear one but if you are then I'm not wasting money on a useless item.

Yes I would tell the lifeguard. I also give back extra change and don't cut lines or lie about my child's age.

And yes you can fine me if my child went in the pool because it would cost me less than buying un needed diapers.

Right, and the problem is not with you, nor anyone else on this board. I'm sure all your children are potty trained and will not have an accident, however how can Disney or anyone else for that matter know and make that call? Parents can lie, or not be informed enough, and that's when you have problems. Pool owners can't know how long your child has been potty trained for, so they make the rule exist for all children under a certain age. Is it fair to those children who are potty trained and never have accients? no, not really, I'll agree. Is it for the better good of the public? Yup!

 

[ninaeve]

Still have to read the last 2 pages of the thread, but here is my opinion for what it is worth.

My family has been at two hotels' pools and one water park that was closed bc of a child having a bowel movement. Just our last visit, a hot tub at AKL was closed bc of child getting in it(and the sign specifically said no one under 12 yr) and having an accident. When we were at POR two months prior same thing. So...YES, it is my business, bc so many children that are potty trained have accidents and upset our vacation time. I am not upset at the children, but at the parents that don't follow the rules. The signs/rules clearly state that 3 yr and under wear a swim pants, period, no exceptions. That is the rule at Disney resorts, our local pools, and the 4 water parks I have been to.

I have 3 children. My daughter was completely out of diapers by 16 months and my middle child was out by 26 months. But until they turned around 4 years old, a swim pant was part of their swim attire. They never ever even remarked on it. So no, I don't think it is humiliating. We still got up for potty breaks, but I knew that we shouldn't be the cause of a pool closing.

And what is all this about water stimming the urge...it has always made me and my kids have to go, esp heated pools. We have headed back to the locker room many a time right after getting in for a potty release.

SO, anyway, for what it is worth, I think the rules are there for a reason, and parents should be charged for cleanup labor of the pool if they disobeyed. Sorry.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I always hesitate to post to these types of threads anymore because most people in my opinion, display a lot selfishness when it comes to these kinds of topics. The rule at Disney is diaper wearing age - some kids wear diapers until the age of 4, so technically, if you have toddlers, they should be in swim diapers or swim pants regardless of being fully potty trained as it's a necessary precaution. When it's your own backyard pool, do as you wish, but please remember that Disney's pools are not your own, and they have to do whatever is necessary to ensure that there are as little disruptions to the pool areas as possible.
Tiger

I always considered "diaper wearing age" to be the age at which your child wears diapers.

If they intended it to be a specific numerical age, they would have stated so.

Adding "so technically" to your statement does not make it a fact that disney requires a toddler to wear a diaper.

My interpretation is that they meant babies...and then any child who is not yet potty trained and still wearing diapers.

I don't know about your kids--but I know few 3 and 4 year olds who are still wearing diapers.


Again--if Disney meant a specific numerical age--they would have stated.

It isn't "lack of hygeine" to not have your non-eliminating in anything but a toilet child to wear what they would ordinarily where to swim as a potty trained child.



This isn't a "rules be darned" black and white issue.....I don't even bother to read pool rules--we follow the standards....proper swimming attire, no running, and swim diapers when necessary for my diaper-aged as in still wearing diapers at whatever age they are child.

 

[ninaeve]

At my local Y, they close the pool for 24 hours if there is an accident of any sort in the pool, someone ends up taking water in their lungs and has to be pulled out, someone accidentally poops in the pool, someone vomits in the pool, someone gets hurt and bleeds in the pool

for those of you who experiance pool closings... do you always assume it is a child who had an "accident"? could it never be any of the other possibilitys?

Out of all the closing I mentioned in my previous post, all but one we were told by a staff member what had happened. Only once was it heresay from another guest.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Here's a pool rules sign from Coronado Springs:

They don't specify whether the child is potty trained or not. Rather, they state: "For safety, diaper age children must wear plastic pants or swim diapers"

Notice they do not specify an age either.

Diaper age for some can be 18 months and other...while for some, their child is in diapers until age 4.

If they were intent on a specific age minimum to not wear plastic pants or swim diapers, they would have specified.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Your guessing on statistics! It's more the younger potty trained kids that I have seen have accidents at resort pools and we travel quite a bit. You don't want to purchase swim diapers but how would like to pay for other people's missed pool days because of a poop accident. Sounds fair to me. Alot of us spend a gerat deal of time and money at our resorts. Poly is $350 + per night. swim pants cost $6-9 for a package. Since you are cheap and don't want to waste money, well I don't want my $5000 vacation ruined by someone too cheap to buy a $6 package of swim pants. My DS3 will be following the rules and he won't be scared for life and he is the most picky child ever, but that is another issue. I know there are a few parents who do take their children to the potty ( I'm one of them) during pool time. But there are children who can't be bothered going to the restroom if suddenly they have to go. This thread is like beating a dead horse. rules are there for a reason.

Please find where Disney specifically states that a 3yo must wear a swim diaper. When you do, then please feel free to abide by that rule.

But for now, you won't find that rule anywhere.

You are right about that dead horse being beaten....rules seem to be fabricated at will that do not exist at Disney.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I agree with this. For those of you who say your children are potty trained beyond a doubt and don't want your 2 or 3 year old wearing a swim pant, are you prepared to offer compensation to the resort guests who can't use the pool for days after if they DO have an accident?

More importantly, would you even tell the lifeguard if they had an accident? or would that be too damaging to their self esteem as well?

Just because your kid hasn't had an accident in a long time, doesn't mean they NEVER will.

When you wear a depend in the pool-then we will talk (you could have an accident you know).

When Disney says that ALL children _____ years and under must wear a swim diaper in the pool...then we will talk.

Until then, expecting compensation is a bit.....ridiculous for a non-existent rule and I will not subject my children to living in a plastic bubble in the off chance an accident "may occur".

 

[Beth E. (NJ)]

Luckily my kids are 12 and 8 and fully toilet trained for quite some time now.

Listen gang -- I love the DIS boards. I love moderating the DIS boards. I don't like having to give out points for sarcasm or personal attacks -- but I will (and I have.) Please try to self edit before you send a post to the boards. It is hard to understand someone intention when you read their posts sometimes and it is easy for debates to get heated.

 

[pamom65]

While I can understand you not wanting to put your child in swim diapers after they are potty trained, I can understand why Disney made this policy. On our recent trip to FW in April, we took a break from the parks for a few hours each day to come back and swim, etc. Several of the days were too cold and windy to swim. On the nicest day, we hurried to the pool to get in some long-awaited swimming. About five minutes after we got there, the lifeguards ordered everyone out of the pool. Unfortunately, someone had a BM in the one end of the pool. The pool water had to be shocked and the pool would be closed for an hour or two. The lifeguards said that the same thing had happened the day before. I know there is another pool, but it is still pretty depressing when something like this takes away the fun and enjoyment that a whole group of people were having.

 

[Princess Stitch]

When you wear a depend in the pool-then we will talk (you could have an accident you know).

When Disney says that ALL children _____ years and under must wear a swim diaper in the pool...then we will talk.

Until then, expecting compensation is a bit.....ridiculous for a non-existent rule and I will not subject my children to living in a plastic bubble in the off chance an accident "may occur".

CLEARLY you didn't read my second post My complaint was with the parents who are saying there's no way in the world their 3 year old could POSSIBLY have an accident and they'll be in therapy for the rest of their lives if they have to wear a swim diaper. So I asked if they're so sure would they provide compensation if their child caused the pool to be shut down?

I do understand that every kid, and adult, is subject to have accidents. That's why I find it so odd that parents of toddlers are ready to swear that their kids will never ever have one.

I stated in my second post that it's not the honest well meaning people who are mostly the problem. There are lots of parents who have kids on the verge of potty training who dont' want them to wear swim diapers either. How is anyone supposed to tell when parents are telling the truth or not? Personally, I wish there were just swimming areas that were adults only. Lots of resorts have them and it just makes things easier for everyone.

 

[jodifla]

Actually, I believe it's like what Lisa says...Disney leaves it up to parents to decide when they're children are out of diapers and don't need the swim diaper.

It's other places, like the Nick Hotel, some popular swim attractions in South Florida and others, that have started to enforce age rules re: swim diapers...most likely because of all the accidents by the allegedly trained 2 and 3 year olds.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if WDW followed suit soon.

PS I know plenty of kids who were still in a diaper until almost age 4.