Today Show Medical Expert Joseph Fair

[Imzadi]

You are not giving doctors enough credit. They are doing a great job of taking care of whatever problems come up in these patients. I am seeing this firsthand. Sometimes what you read, and firsthand, are two different things.

I HAVE given doctors the credit it took to save these people's lives.

That's not true. They were doing it in China and European countries for Covid patients before it even hit the US.

Yes, but it wasn't a protocol used for COVID-19 in NYC and possibly the rest of the U.S. This was on the news in a filmed interview by the DOCTOR who initially tried it and then told the other doctors on his floor and they eventually told other doctors in other hospitals to try it. <-- WHERE IN THAT STATEMENT AM I NOT GIVING THE DOCTORS THEIR DUE CREDIT??? If this doctor knew to try that approach because he knew it already and he knew they were doing it in China, then YES, he gets credit for knowing it and trying it. I DID say I don't remember why he decided to flip over the patient. So, I don't remember if HE did or didn't mention that in his interview. Which is on him. I am repeating what I saw him say firsthand. (An interview which is crediting a doctor.) Only that they weren't doing it in NYC until then. Ventilators were the standard approach in NYC, until it was tried at that hospital and they found it worked better than ventilators.

I am seeing this firsthand. Sometimes what you read, and firsthand, are two different things.

I usually try to annotate or footnote any and all info I read, watch or am given, so others can track and read the source for themselves. Or I CAN give it later if asked, if I didn't provide it. The interview with the NYC doctor can be Googled and found on abc7ny.com as well as the other local NYC news stations. The one with the boy, and again his and his father's first hand accounts FILMED out of their own mouths, can be found on ABC World News. Google it. Go for it.

I don't expect people to just believe things because "I saw it firsthand." Nor do I expect others to. Not everything people read by others on the Internet is true.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I HAVE given doctors the credit it took to save these people's lives.






Yes, but it wasn't a protocol used for COVID-19 in NYC and possibly the rest of the U.S. This was on the news in a filmed interview by the DOCTOR who initially tried it and then told the other doctors on his floor and they eventually told other doctors in other hospitals to try it. <-- WHERE IN THAT STATEMENT AM I NOT GIVING THE DOCTORS THEIR DUE CREDIT??? If this doctor knew to try that approach because he knew it already and he knew they were doing it in China, then YES, he gets credit for knowing it and trying it. I DID say I don't remember why he decided to flip over the patient. So, I don't remember if HE did or didn't mention that in his interview. Which is on him. I am repeating what I saw him say firsthand. (An interview which is crediting a doctor.) Only that they weren't doing it in NYC until then. Ventilators were the standard approach in NYC, until it was tried at that hospital and they found it worked better than ventilators.




I usually try to annotate or footnote any and all info I read, watch or am given, so others can track and read the source for themselves. Or I CAN give it later if asked, if I didn't provide it. The interview with the NYC doctor can be Googled and found on abc7ny.com as well as the other local NYC news stations. The one with the boy, and again his and his father's first hand accounts FILMED out of their own mouths, can be found on ABC World News. Google it. Go for it.

I don't expect people to just believe things because "I saw it firsthand." Nor do I expect others to. Not everything people read by others on the Internet is true.

As I said, proning patients for ARDS has been around for over a decade. It's not a new idea anywhere.

 

[Donaldswife]

There is no tracing, that’s one of the problems with our country’s opening things up.

In Indiana that was part of our opening up. We have hundeds of tracers workers since May 11. Is this not happening in other states?

 

[Imzadi]

As I said, proning patients for ARDS has been around for over a decade. It's not a new idea anywhere.

Again, you skipped the part where I said: it wasn't a protocol used for COVID-19 in NYC and possibly the rest of the U.S. [as we were/are the epicenter and getting the majority of the cases first.] This was according to the "firsthand account" of the doctor being interviewed. IF he did or didn't credit other sources, that's on him.

 

[Searc]

In Indiana that was part of our opening up. We have hundeds of tracers workers since May 11. Is this not happening in other states?

No.

 

[cabanafrau]

I thought Washington State was initially the epicenter and therefore getting the majority of the cases first?

 

[MillauFr]

I thought Washington State was initially the epicenter and therefore getting the majority of the cases first?

We had cases back in January.

 

[mjkacmom]

In Indiana that was part of our opening up. We have hundeds of tracers workers since May 11. Is this not happening in other states?

NJ only had 10,000 deaths, so we don’t have it available. Seriously, we didn’t have nearly enough testing available, centers shut down after an hour.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Again, you skipped the part where I said: it wasn't a protocol used for COVID-19 in NYC and possibly the rest of the U.S. [as we were/are the epicenter and getting the majority of the cases first.] This was according to the "firsthand account" of the doctor being interviewed. IF he did or didn't credit other sources, that's on him.

In the medical world, ideas are shared from all over the world. Not everything can or should be replicated place to place. So although this person you speak of may have done that there, the idea for such a protocol is well known in the medical community worldwide for ARDS, as I said. It's studied in medical school when they get to the ARDS part. That's all I'm trying to say. I am taking care of proned patients and we've been doing it since the beginning of this, too. And many people do come off ventilators and go on to recovery, as well. You have to take some of the numbers and other things with a grain of salt as who knows where they are getting data from. Things are chaotic right now.

 

[Hikergirl]

No.

Um yes it is happening in other states.

 

[snappy]

In Indiana that was part of our opening up. We have hundeds of tracers workers since May 11. Is this not happening in other states?

We have 75 trained to trace here. I think they are working to get about 250 as soon as they can.

 

[Imzadi]

I thought Washington State was initially the epicenter and therefore getting the majority of the cases first?

Google shows about 9 pages for "New York City Coronavirus epicenter", but I believe I linked to ones that were NOT local to NYC, but national or international news sites:

https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/inside-new-york-city-epicenter-of-us-cor-idUSRTS37GAA

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/us/new-york-coronavirus-explainer/index.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/new-york-becomes-epicenter-of-coronavirus-in-the-united-states/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-yo...-as-u-s-epicenter-for-coronavirus-11584983498

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coron...on-returns-work-recovery-uk/story?id=70358599

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...more-coronavirus-cases-than-any-other-country

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-deaths-in-the-us-top-3000

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/21/8195...-as-new-york-city-becomes-u-s-virus-epicenter

https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-city-coronavirus-cases-over-time-chart-2020-3

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/would-you-risk-your-life

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ork-city-preview-us-united-states/2931094001/

https://news.yahoo.com/the-mistakes...er-of-the-coronavirus-epidemic-090040375.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...oronavirus-us-is-this-due-density-or-testing/

https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...ghts-the-love-hate-relationship-with-new-york

https://www.newsweek.com/new-york-city-coronavirus-update-cases-10k

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-new...-epicenter-speak-out-about-crisis-81254981644

https://www.republicworld.com/world...-new-epicenter-of-coronavirus-in-the-usa.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-new-york-ground-zero

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03...aling-coronavirus-outbreak-could-affect-mass/

https://deadline.com/2020/04/new-yo...back-to-action-covid-19-epicenter-1202919097/

https://www.baltimoresun.com/corona...0200410-mktotr4gd5ftzmklhhc4iq4eem-story.html

https://www.barrons.com/articles/ne...aths-top-1-000-the-latest-numbers-51585745276

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/i...rk-coronavirus-epicentre-200331072157721.html

https://fox2now.com/news/illinois-n...of-working-in-americas-coronavirus-epicenter/

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/natl-guard-deploying-to-nyc-area-coronavirus-epicenter-80427589939

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/l...irus-battered-new-york/ar-BB146NpU?li=BBnb7Kz

https://www.thetelegraph.com/reales...urprisingly-Hit-New-Highs-During-15270279.php


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[DisneyJamieCA]

I believe NYC is epicenter for number of cases. But Washington was definitely the first case and the first outbreaks.

 

[snappy]

We had our fair share of epicenter level cases in New Orleans too. The feds stood up a hospital in the convention center. Probably why the mayor is being so cautious. Appointments for things you never ever made one for before, shopping for anything, a simple dinner. All needed to do the tracing. Masks are mandated in New Orleans, encouraged in the rest of the state, although some stores are mandating them, Costco, Whole Foods. I feel safer ordering online and doing curbside contactless pickup. Pop the trunk. My neighborhood Walmart is doing a good job, especially at the at risk 7 am-8 am time slot that we qualify for. The Walmart ap is now my shopping list. I’ll be using it and the Sprouts store curbside too for the foreseeable future. I don’t trust that this will be over in the near term.

 

[Imzadi]

I believe NYC is epicenter for number of cases. But Washington was definitely the first case and the first outbreaks.

Yes. Washington was the start. And CA, soon after had some cases. NYC is the epicenter now. But, I unfortunately think the "epicenter" will move. As in, if this national reopening has disastrous results, a different region/city may be considered the "new epicenter." Or that might happen if the U.S. gets a second wave in the fall as Dr. Fauci predicts.

 

[Searc]

Yes. Washington was the start. And CA, soon after had some cases. NYC is the epicenter now. But, I unfortunately think the "epicenter" will move. As in, if this national reopening has disastrous results, a different region/city may be considered the "new epicenter." Or that might happen if we get a second wave in the fall.

Well, now that WI is 100% open with absolutely zero restrictions, effective immediately, consider your challenge accepted.

 

[mjkacmom]

I thought Washington was the epicenter from China, NYC from Italy.

 

[snappy]

I thought Washington was the epicenter from China, NYC from Italy.

That’s what I read as well.

 

[Imzadi]

Well, now that WI is 100% open with absolutely zero restrictions, effective immediately, consider your challenge accepted.

I really hope not. As much as I'm sure we'd love to get rid of that moniker. I'd rather WI (or anywhere else,) not have the loss of lives.

 

[Imzadi]

I thought Washington was the epicenter from China, NYC from Italy.

That’s what I read as well.

That info has been recent in only the last few weeks as it may be that the strains of Covid-19 may be slightly different. As DisneyJamieCA said, I've always read NYC was considered the "new epicenter" and indeed the epicenter of the world, due to the numbers of COVID-19.