To DDP or TIW?

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Just last night we did a detailed accounting of our expenses from last month's trip and planning for May's dining. We did a graph of what we spent using the TIW card last month and seperated out the tips. Then we made a chart for the DDP and added the tips there. We only used the restaurants we are planning to eat at in May, so we should get a good detailed accounting of cost. Well, imagine my surprise when I learned that our "bill" using only the TIW card and cash came out to almost $200 LESS than using the DDP!!! We find we almost never use the counter service credits anyway, and we also hardly ever get dessert, but we do enjoy appetizers.

I was all set to sign us up for the DDP again until we did this little excersise! Now I'm thinking the DDP is not ever really going to be a "deal" for us again. It certainly is more convenient when you have kids along, but I KNOW we will always come out ahead paying OOP with the TIW card now.

We had decided before our January trip that we were going to keep all recipts just so we could do this little comparison, and I'm glad we did!
 
We gave up on the DDP a year ago. The numbers just didn't work out and after Disney adjusted it to improve the Guest experience, we really didn't care for it anymore.
 
The DDP was never a cost effective option forus, as adults, based upon our normal dining habits. We've always saved $ withthe DDE/TIW over the cost of the DDP, even before the changes to the DDP program.

Like most "all inclusive" type programs, it really isn't designed to save the guest any money, it is the "convenience" of pre-payment.

Plus I like ordering what we want to eat, like appetizers and not dessert, instead of what Disney wants to feed us.
 
The DDP was never a cost effective option forus, as adults, based upon our normal dining habits. We've always saved $ withthe DDE/TIW over the cost of the DDP, even before the changes to the DDP program.

Like most "all inclusive" type programs, it really isn't designed to save the guest any money, it is the "convenience" of pre-payment.

Plus I like ordering what we want to eat, like appetizers and not dessert, instead of what Disney wants to feed us.

Yes, and I think I realized that before too, but our detailed accounting this time proved it. I found the DDP to be so frustrating! It did make things easy when we had the grandkids along, but you do pay for the convenience.
 

I thought that I had it all figured out. I did a spreadsheet and figured that I'd be saving a considerable amount of money if I used the TIW card. HOWEVER, my calculations had one major flaw. I was supposing that there was counter service in all of the parks that I could use my TIW card for. As it turns out, the counter service options with the TIW card are very limited. Now I am back to not being sure again. Ugh.

For me, if the difference is $150 or less over the length of a trip, I think I'd rather go for the convenience of not only having my meals pre-paid, but also having more options in which to dine. Therefore, I am going to work out the numbers again and make the decision.
 
I really need to do the detailed accounting thing too. We have never purchased AP before so TIW wasn't an option for us. Last trip I did look at getting a single AP just to get the TIW but the savings weren't enough to justify it.

But this year, for the first time, we are considering two trips within 12 months. I think this year we will also end up with the TIW card, but I really need to work it out.
 
Plus I like ordering what we want to eat, like appetizers and not dessert, instead of what Disney wants to feed us.
Same here. We rarely order dessert but frequently order appetizers. Plus the 20% off adult beverages is a nice benefit of the TIW. DH likes a glass of wine now and then at dinner. I do as well when we eat at Boma or Jiko. I like ordering "Goats Do Roam" just because I like the name!
 
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I just crunched the numbers again. I am now convinced that the Disney people crunched the numbers and designed the plan to the point where it was literally a wash between the two, with the deciding factor being either the convenience of the DDP or the flexibility of the TIW.

Here is what I did:

SCENARIO 1: Counter Service Lunch (no TIW), Table Service Dinner (with TIW)

I first worked out a typical meal for our family for both a counter service lunch a table service dinner. I pretty much went "middle of the road" in terms of prices, working off a real Disney menu. My family would be paying $101.96 per day for the DDP. If we just ate the counter service lunch (with no TIW discount) and a table service dinner (with TIW discount), we'd only be paying $88.50 per day, which would be a nice discount over the DDP. However, that doesn't take into account that you get a dessert with the DDP as well as 4 snacks (one for each member of our family). Since we are not dessert eaters, I only added in the snacks. I went with a rather expensive number ($4) considering snacks can really range. If you add the 4 snacks at $4 apiece, now the TIW isn't such a great deal anymore since I am now paying $104.45. If you figure snacks at $3 apiece, the plans are just about even.

SCENARIO 2: Counter Service Lunch ( with TIW) and Table Service Dinner (with TIW)

Scenario 1 didn't take into account the fact that it is possible to eat your counter service meal at a place that accepts the TIW card. The options aren't THAT great, but there are places, especially at the hotels. Under that scenario, you save an additional $6. So, without snacks, the savings is about $19.50. Sounds good. Add in the snacks, though, and you are at a $3.50 savings. Not so good. At that point, the question comes back to whether we like the flexibility of TIW or the convenience of DDP. And to tell you the truth, considering TIW isn't offered in the counter service restaurants in the parks, the flexibility factor goes down in that regard.

SCENARIO 3: Table Service Lunch (with TIW) and Counter Service Dinner (no TIW)

At first glance, this one looked like a home run for the TIW card since our family of four would be saving $28.46 per day. Of course, that doesn't take into account the desserts and snacks included in the DDP. Once again, since we don't eat desserts, I didn't factor that in and instead decided to factor in four snacks at $4 apiece. The $16 of snacks obviously cut into the $28.46 of daily savings, bringing the savings to $12.46. That is a nice savings, but is it worth it? Once again, I guess it comes down to whether you like the convenience of the DDP or the flexibility of the TIW, and as I stated earlier, I don't find it flexible when the TIW card cannot be used at counter service in the parks.

SCENARIO 4: Table Service Lunch (with TIW) and Counter Service Dinner (with TIW)

If you take scenario #3 and change it just a bit so that you can jet back to a hotel for a counter service meal at dinner (where you can use the TIW card), then you'd save an additional $7. So, under that scenario, my family would be saving a total of about $20 per day over the DDP. Over a week-long vacation, that would be about $140. I am not one to sneeze at $140 in savings, but at the same time, to get that $20/day discount, a lot of things would have to work out in my favor (for example, getting back to a hotel for the counter service meal every night).

Conclusion: I really thought it would be more of a slam dunk in one direction. I absolutely hate the idea of spending in excess of $100 to eat per day, but it seems to be the reality whether you have DDP or TIW. The one thing that I have wrestled with in the past is how the gratuity figures into all of this. As you know, the gratuity is not included in the DDP price, so the actual daily cost of the DDP is higher. I didn't include gratuity in my TIW calculations, but the benefit there is that you pay gratuity on the discounted price, which should add some savings. I just don't know if the savings are worth it for me. I like the convenience of having more dining options (TIW is not available in the parks), and I like the convenience of pre-paying for my meals and snacks. It makes me truly feel like I am on vacation. If I were to save hundreds of dollars, the TIW would be a slam dunk. However, as it stands, I would only be saving around $150 under the best of conditions. To me, that might not be worth it.
 
I think that the TIW card really saves over DDP when one has to use 2 TS for the DDP. Most places, even signature places, aren't worth 2 TS.
 
It's only because the DDP includes the Candlelight Processional dinner and the Fantasmic package and we often go twice to CP during a December stay that we get DDP then. I prefer an appetizer. However, on our CP dinner at LeCellier in December, I had the Whiskey Chocolate cake, and wow...that was GOOD!

We have and use the TIW card much more. I very much enjoy Flame Tree Barbecue in AK, and go there for a meal whenever I can!

Bobbi:goodvibes
 
I really need to do the detailed accounting thing too. We have never purchased AP before so TIW wasn't an option for us. Last trip I did look at getting a single AP just to get the TIW but the savings weren't enough to justify it.

But this year, for the first time, we are considering two trips within 12 months. I think this year we will also end up with the TIW card, but I really need to work it out.

Not to highjack this thread but can only one from your party buy an AP and take advantage of TIW discounts for the rest of the party?

We are doing 8 days in May with 7 people total and most likely will not make another trip for at least 14 - 18 months. Could I purchase the AP just for me and use the TIW discounts for all in our party? Most meals our entire party will be eating together as that is one of the "rules" in keeping up with 4 teenage boys.
 
yes you can - only one person needs TIW - think it goes for a table of 6 - but everyone must be seated with you.

you can save the most my method - buy groceries - even the supermarket have pre packed food - just throw it in the microwave. even better you get to eat at YOUR place - not some restuarant.
 
yes you can - only one person needs TIW - think it goes for a table of 6 - but everyone must be seated with you.

you can save the most my method - buy groceries - even the supermarket have pre packed food - just throw it in the microwave. even better you get to eat at YOUR place - not some restuarant.

Thanks for the quick reply. Is it only good for up to a table of 6? There will be 7 of us total.

We,ve already got ADR's for Biergarten, Liberty Tree, Prime Time 50's and Rain Forest and I'm leaving the rest up to the kids to decide.

We usually do breakfast in and my wife for years has said she does not mind preparing other meals to save some $$ but I feel its her vacation also and would rather eat out so she can relax also.
 
We have never done the DDP because I hate that they charge the adult price for our DS. He doesn't usually eat off the adult menus still even tho he's turning 12 in May (he's all of 65 Lbs soaking wet)!! It really irks me that they charge adult prices for food and he eats mac & cheese.:sad2: Another reason is we do more CS meals than TS now too because if it's a buffet like at Boma or Hollywood & Vine they charge for the adult price or he's still eating chix nuggets from the kids section.:headache:

ANYWAY, we did the TIW card when it was the DDE. I also kept all of our receipts so I could see how it worked out for us later. With our dining pattern it took us 1 full week and the first day or two of our next trip to "break even" on the fee it costs to get the card. It WAS handy for % off alcohol for sure!! DS has SLOWLY been migrating to a few adult meals...so perhaps next time we will get a little more out of it for him.

The nice thing about the TIW card is that you pay that fee one time, up front and you're done. Then it's good for a year so you can get multiple trips on it and it doesn't matter how many people are in your group. With the DDP it's a new expense every time you go.

With either plan, I am still not a fan of having to decide months ahead of time when & where I will be and what I want to eat. (Another reason we do more CS meals.) I can hardly make up my mind what to make to eat at home for the week when I make my grocery list. How can I possibly know what I will want to eat 3 months from now? DH also hates it when I start rushing us to stop what we're doing so we can go make a ressie somewhere. It takes all the spontaneity out of the trip. I miss being able to just think about it a few days ahead.
 
The DDP was never a cost effective option forus, as adults, based upon our normal dining habits. We've always saved $ withthe DDE/TIW over the cost of the DDP, even before the changes to the DDP program.

Like most "all inclusive" type programs, it really isn't designed to save the guest any money, it is the "convenience" of pre-payment.

Plus I like ordering what we want to eat, like appetizers and not dessert, instead of what Disney wants to feed us.

But you will be surprised that many think it will save them money. I enjoy eating but for the life of me I couldn't handle what I would have to eat on the DDP.
 
Thanks for the quick reply. Is it only good for up to a table of 6? There will be 7 of us total.

We,ve already got ADR's for Biergarten, Liberty Tree, Prime Time 50's and Rain Forest and I'm leaving the rest up to the kids to decide.

We usually do breakfast in and my wife for years has said she does not mind preparing other meals to save some $$ but I feel its her vacation also and would rather eat out so she can relax also.

Tables in Wonderland is for up to 10 in a party.
 
But you will be surprised that many think it will save them money. I enjoy eating but for the life of me I couldn't handle what I would have to eat on the DDP.

And that's the problem! We do NOT eat desserts, but we like appetizers. The DDP no longer allows appetizers...We don't do counter service other than Flame Tree and Starring Rolls...DDP assumes a counter service a day...We Like to have a TS each day, but we also like the SIgnatures....DDP takes two TS credits for a signature, reducing the number of TS meals we can do.

For us, we decided the only way to figure out the TRUE value was to compare to what we actually ate on a trip. It took us just over half the trip last month to recoup the cost of the TIW card, and now the next two trips we can use it without additional cost.

BTW, we did NOT figure in the cost of counter service meals, because we just don't eat them very often.
 



















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