To All Dvc Members - A Comment On Point Value

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Let me carry out the example with real numbers. We bought in at $67 per point for our first 150 points at OKW in August 2000. We bought into BCV in April for 32 points at $75 per point. Let's assume we sell next December at $60 per point (we would have borrowed some points so let's go low). Our points purchases cost us about $12,500 (actually, with MB it was less, but lets go with that figure). At $60 per point, we would recover $10,920. We will have paid out approximately $1850 in maintenance fees (this is an actual calculation). So our total net cost of ownership is about $3500 and we divide that over the 792 points we will have used and the cost per point comes out to: $4.41. So even if you were to build in lots and lots of interest, and even if you bought at a higher price, the actual cost ends up a lot less than most people think! (I have been shocked by this--a lot of it has to do with the strong resale market for DVC).
 
Good point, Doc P. Many do not remember that while they are using their points, they can still recoup much (if not more) of their original outlay. You were very generous with the numbers that you used in your example. :cool:
 
here is another example - I may have to go to Vero next weekend. I telephoned the reservation department using my Disney Club Card.

Rates:
Ocean Inn Room - 175 + tax per night
or 46 points for the weekend (11-22 & 11-23)
Studio Garden - 160 + Tax per night
or 46 points for the weekend
1 Bedroom - 245 + tax per night
or 86 points

At these rates, it woudn't pay to rent, just pay cash. Unless you got your rental points below 8.00 (just an average because of the taxes) I would say just pay cash.
 
Yikes! Have anyone else's eyes glazed over?
 

we bought in May 2001. Our guide told us our points cost about $10 each over the term of the contract. He took the total cost of our Disney mortgage. He took maintenance fees over the term of our contract. He increased the fees modestly. He took the total cost outlay over the term of the contract and divided by the total cost. I came out around $9-$10 per point. That said, the early points cost less then the later points will because of the increase of the maintenance fees. A set cost per point over the lenght of the contract can be done by cost per point plus interest paid on any mortgage/financing. The rests of the cost per maintenance fee can be added for each year or a guess for the entire contract depending on how you wish to figure it.
 
OH NO!!! MATH!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

I'll come back when I don't need a calculator.;)
 
No, it's not Math!

Math has correct and incorrect answers.
When you can get whatever answer you want, it's called Accounting! :) :) :)
 
Math has correct and incorrect answers.
When you can get whatever answer you want, it's called Accounting!


Hey I resemble that remark :p
 
I am so glad the rent/don't rent debate is back again. This board was really getting dry there for a while. Some views:

1. As to the official documents prohibiting receiving compensation for the "transfer" of points: "transfer of points" is a limited term that applies only to the physical transfer of points from one member's account to another's. If you rent by using your points to make a ressie for another, that is not considered a "transfer" of points and thus not subject to the prohibition. If you read through the documents you will see that "points" are legally just symbols that represent your real estate interest and have no intrinsic value. Prohibiting compensation for a transfer of points is designed to maintain that no intrinsic value concept and is there for that purely legal reason and really has nothing to do with whether you can or cannot rent. In fact if you simply agreed to rent your real estate interest for a fee and then agreed to complete that rental by a transfer of points you still would not be violating the prohibition of receiving compensation for a transfer of points as your compensation would be for the rental of the real estate interest and the physical transfer is just an act to carry out the deal.

2. The documents do expressly allow you to rent subject to a vague limitation that it cannot be for a commercial purpose and that repeated renting could be deemed a commercial purpose. Thus, there is a potential limitation that may prohibit someone from just buying points with the intent of simply renting all the time. Not likely a clause Disney would enforce absent widespread renting for a business purpose. Disney's idea was likely to assure that renting DVC didn't become the norm controlled by enterprises that would truly be competing with Disney on the hotel level. Also, it has a protect Disney's a__ quality to it. A person or entitiy who is actually in the business of renting resort property in Florida is required to collect resort taxes (the 11% in the area) and pay them over to government entities. Failure to do so could result in a lien on the real property at issue. The Florida law does not apply to someone who has a vacation home, uses it sometimes and then rents it out the rest, but it does apply to someone who really does own resort property solely to rent. The Disney vague prohibition is a covenant attached to the property that effectively prevents a lien from being asserted on the property if, as likely, someone who is in the business of renting DVC is failing to collect that tax, i.e., the act that would lead to the tax is illegal under the property's covenants and therefore any lien would be ineffective with the government being limited to going after the individual who is renting.

3. DVC rentals are a limited market with the interent being the only real available marketplace. Though we have seen on the internet (e-bay and other sites) those who appear to do nothing but rent DVC, it is really a very samll group that could not have much if any impact on other's use. As a result I do not consider it a problem.

4. What people rent for -- $10, $7 less, more -- is entirely up to them. In fact, I view it relieving that so many disagree with each other as to the amount to rent because if everyone got on this board and agreed to raise prices, a clever prosecutor could find a way to bring charges for illegal price fixing under state laws.
 
I agree, and will reiterate that the appropriate rental rate is really market driven and will likely vary from month to month (or week to week), from resort to resort (during the home resort periods), and from circumstance to circumstance. My only point through the thread is to address the issue of what it might take to break even. That said, renting for any price is likely to be preferable to having points expire unused!
 
I've never rented my points and have no intention of doing so.

That being said, I would be pretty PO'ed if someone presumed to tell me what to rate to rent my points at. If I want to rent them out at $5 a point, I will. It is no one else's business what I am making or losing on the transaction.
 
If a family wanted to rent a studio during Value/Adventure season for a Saturday to Saturday stay, here is their approximate cost for lodging at a DVC resort including 11%tax and no discount direct from Disney:

OKW-$1974
WLV-$2168
BWV-$2246
BCV-$2246

If the same family purchased points at $10 per point from a DVC owner their costs for the same stay would be:

OKW-$800
WLV-$1040
BWV-$1040
BCV-$1040

I would imagine one would find comparable figures during the other seasons as well...if you've got some time to sell, $10 per point is not unreasonable to ask, but I certainly wouldn't criticize anyone who sold theirs for less, no matter what their reasoning.

So far the only people who I would sell points to would most likely be family members or friends, and I would most likely sell at less than $10 simply because they are, well....family and friends. :) I'd love to let them go for free, but I'm not that well off and they all know that, and wouldn't expect a free ride.

Also, I believe I read something in the POS, or in some other literature I was given, that if someone is staying on MY points and trashes the place I am responsible. So I'd like to have some way of knowing the people I rent to are responsible people.
 












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