Tithing- Let's discuss it

Unitarian-Universalists....we don't bother to have church during the summer, tithing is a completely foreign idea.

But it isn't like the church doesn't get money without a tithing obligation, we are building a new building and school, having outgrown our previous building. Our minister is paid quite well, and Unitarians are well known for their committment to public good.
 
sk!mom said:
I am not surprised that a pastor would say that you have to tithe on all income, benefits, etc... because that was the type of church that I was raised in. As an adult, though I feel that a pastor should stick with what is in the Bible and let the congregants decide for themselves how to interpret it to their own lives. We have found a church that does just that. I realize that a church depends on the offerings of it's members but I would be uncomfortable in a church that mentions it too frequently.

By the way, I think that pastors should be paid well and I appreciate the beautiful facilities but I wish that a larger portion of the excess that the church has would be used to help those in need.
Well said!!! :)
 
When you consider that a sizable portion of our income day goes to Federal, Sate, County and City purposes which doles much to charity, possibly to garner votes, possibly otherwise and then in addition there is the United Fund and many other charities, that giving five percent to our church suffices if you believe in the tithe. The poor were sometimes fed to the lions in times past. There was none of the above available. Should everyone tithe at 10% today, those in need from a financial point of view would fair well better than those who put in a hard forty every week. Today there are many on the receiving end of charity that are far better off than some of the tithers.

Ask our pastor the question of what is reasonable and he will tell you that five percent is more than adequate, that in contributing five percent you are more than giving of the tithe as proclaimed in the bible. Privately, he told me that our church could do much more if they could just average three percent from the membership.

I feel quite confortable, giving and safe with my five percent giving to my church.
 
I have enjoyed and found food for thought in this discussion of tithing. Giving to God however it is done or what ever it is called should be done in God's love of you. That love never fails.
I would rather call this stewardship and say that stewardship goes to all aspects of our lives in all life stages. What do we do with what we have to glorify God?
This is more than money. Prayers, presence, gifts, service. I went about 3 years ago with a mother daughter (and others to Russia) on a mission trip. This family felt traveling and vacation was important but also wanted to participate in a mission trip. Not a Disney trip. Hot and difficult at times. It was a trip of a lifetime. God was there before I was.
This said, giving is a lifestyle that is taught and experience. Also in the giving we need to receive and teach our children to do both.

Thanks for the food for thought.
 

Everyone has their own beliefs about what is right for them. I give to my church, I give to my community and I give to charities in different combinations of money and time. In no way do I beleive that God and Jesus will bless me less than someone who regularly tithes 10% of their income. God does not equate blessings with money, that would not be a God I could have faith in. Definitly if you can give 10% and feel it is the right thing to do then WONDERFUL for your church and and you, not everyone can or is willing to do this. But If you are a good person, and do good things for the world, and have faith then you are blessed no matter your monetary contributions.
 
Brier Rose....long time no see and it's been a pleasure to have it be in this thread. I appreciate the information that you posted. It certainly is an eye opener. Thank you! Maggie
 
Lisa loves Pooh said:
I'm not understanding what you say. Should we not enjoy vacations..ever?

When I was little the family went to church (Congregational) every Sunday. My family did not tithe. Each week we did read, in unison with the minister, a confession that included these words "we will hereafter lead a Godly, righteous, and sober life to the glory of Thy holy name."

Re-read my original comment, also.
 
This is where I run into a hang-up about the modern church's asking for "tithe" from me. We do give when we can, DH's work is seasonal, he was just off for 6 months and we don't get unemployment (self-employed). Our health insurance stinks and yes, I have known times that God has NOT provided for us, even when we were doing what we were supposed to. I get tired of hearing the, give and you will be blessed spiel. Anyway, here's the scripture about the tithe that I have NEVER heard anyone address:

Deuteronomy 14:22-29

22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. 23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the LORD your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the LORD your God always. 24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the LORD your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the LORD will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the LORD your God will choose. 26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice. 27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year's produce and store it in your towns, 29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the aliens, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.
 
mickeysaver said:
Brier Rose....long time no see and it's been a pleasure to have it be in this thread. I appreciate the information that you posted. It certainly is an eye opener. Thank you! Maggie

Glad to have shared it with you! :goodvibes
 
We are doing what we can, we just increased our weekly giving 25% because the church said they were struggling since some familys recently moved. My dh counts the money. He cannot tell me what people give but he says we give alot compared to others. We also just dont give to church we give to some people in need when it arises or since my 3 ds go to christian schools they take various collections there too and we give alot of time and we send 3 ds to christian school and my dh feels we are supporting the ministrys of those churchs, teachers etc. Our regular offering is probably close to 10% of dh net pay. In the future we plan on selling dh dads property and then we can increase our giving alot.
 
graygables what is your specific question about those passages? I don't want to try and address it unless I understand better what it is you are asking. I am sorry that you feel that He has not provided for you at times. There were times where we have not been able to give much or any to our church, no vacations, no dinner out, getting WIC from the gov't, subsidizing our food with a package from the food pantry, defaulting on healthcare bills, very little other than rent and groceries, but we have yet to be on the street. I know the day to day grind can be hard to bear, but I still considered myself to be blessed during those times. I am especially thankful now than those times are behind us, and know that He brought us out into the light where we are now. Believe me, we are still broke by many wordly standards, but it isn't bone crushing anymore!
 
10% gross income
plus missions
plus church school fund

We have a system of accountablity in our church. Financial secretary handles the finances. He is overseen by the deacon board. The pastor receives a salary that is managed by the board. Two signatures are needed to withdraw funds. I am glad that there is no funny stuff going on.

I really wish we could do more. I never see my pastor take a nice vacation. It is usually camping and stuff. They really love Disney, but never get to go. It is a shame that people are afraid to tithe to their local church .

I remember we stopped going to a church because the pastor drove an expensive car and his wife had full length fox fur coats. It was a really small church too. I knew that there was something amis.
 
MKCP5, I guess the question I'm asking is why aren't we taught to tithe like in that passage of scripture? It says that we are to eat and drink our tithe at the temple, in the presence of the Lord to celebrate. Having been brought up a Southern Baptist, dare I point out the command to purchase wine and other fermented drink? ;) Someone pointed out that if everyone gave a full 10%, the recipients would be better off than the middle class, so wasn't that why the original commandment was to offer the tithe for the "church" (levites, widows, poor) once every 3 years, to keep a balance, so to speak? This has always been something I've had difficulty with and every pastor I've ever asked about the passage became angry and defensive and never offered me an adequate answer.
 
this is too long
Brier Rose said:
Just thought maybe some of you may be interested in this acticle:

Tithing vs. Giving

FAQ: Most churches I have been to teach rather emphatically that Christians should “tithe,” that is, give 10% of their income to their church. I have even heard some ministers say that if you don’t tithe, God will not bless you. What does the Bible say about financial giving?

“What does the Bible say?” is always the “bottom line” in life, but that vital question needs a qualifier: “To whom?” The Bible, the Word of God, most certainly does speak about financial giving, and a good case can be made that it is one of the five most basic activities for a Christian, the others being prayer, Bible reading and study, fellowship with other Christians, and telling others the Good News about Jesus Christ.

The question must be: “What does the Bible say TO CHRISTIANS about financial giving?” Why? Because what God says to Christians about financial giving is different than what He said to the Jews of the Old Testament about it. The sad news is that today very few Christians understand the difference, and, as a result, many are unnecessarily living under emotional and financial stress.

And, as is so often the case in examining a biblical issue, that takes us to the subject of the administrations in Scripture. Unless we understand what parts of God’s Word are written to Jews, what parts are written to Gentiles, and what parts are written to Christians, we can neither understand nor apply its truths in our daily lives.

We are currently living in what the Bible calls the Administration of the Secret (Eph. 3:9), which began on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1ff) and will conclude with the Rapture of the Church (all living and dead Christians meeting the Lord in the air—1 Thess. 4:13-18). The primary curriculum for Christians (i.e., people born again of God’s incorruptible seed) is found in the Church Epistles: Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, and 1 & 2 Thessalonians. It is there that we must look to find God’s specific directions for us today, and the issue of financial giving is given two chapters worth of ink in 2 Corinthians 8 & 9.

There are also some pertinent verses in other Epistles, and the message of Scripture to Christians is that because of the finished work of Jesus Christ, we do not live under the Mosaic Law, during which tithing was instituted and commanded as part of the Law. Therefore, tithing as a commandment of God has no relevance to believers today.

At this point, it is important to distinguish between tithing and giving. Although tithing per se is not relevant to Christians, giving most certainly is. As a member in particular of the Body of Christ, each Christian is to determine in his own heart how much he gives and where he allocates his resources among his brothers and sisters in Christ (2 Cor. 9:7). The Epistles metaphor by which material giving is strongly encouraged is that of sowing and reaping—the more you sow, the more you reap (2 Cor. 9:6). “Tithing” is never mentioned.

We are working on a booklet on this subject, and it may be titled, In Response to a Blessing, because that is the biblical basis for giving. Under the Law, Jews were to give out of their produce, that is, what the Lord had provided for them. Just like the Word says, “We love God because He first loved us,” so we give because God has given to us. When we understand what God has done for us in Christ, and that the material blessings we have come from Him, and that He promises to bless us back for what we give, giving cheerfully is a joy.

Even in the Old Testament, believers understood that when they gave to God, they were opening a door, if you will, for Him to bless them in return. This is, of course, still true, but the idea has been distorted by some Christians who teach that one must give to God before God can bless him. Thus, too many Christians are giving in order to get. No, God always gives first.

Also, He does not specify just how He will bless us. If we sow, we will reap accordingly, but it may not be money for money, etc. Some Christians have become disillusioned about giving because when they gave money to their church, etc., they did not receive money back. They may have even failed to notice the blessing that God did give them. When we give in response to a blessing, and not so that we will get blessed, we can be cheerful and contented givers.

Making known the truth about this subject is critical, because the vast majority of Christians is told, and thus believes, that it is God’s will for them to “tithe,” which means to give one-tenth of what they earn. Many of the more “fundamental” Christian groups are adamant about this, and accompany this exhortation with a warning that failure to tithe will result in consequences of various kinds, usually having to do with a lack of prosperity.
In many groups, this has become little more than ecclesiastical extortion, with church leaders using the lever of people’s sincere desire to do what God says is right to squeeze money out of them. Such leaders proclaim that what God says is right is that you give at least ten percent of your income—to their organization. As a result of such pressure, financial giving has, for too many Christians, become a joyless, mechanical act of “bribing” God to avoid the consequences of not giving, and an attempt to earn His favor (something they already have!).

For many other Christians who once gave cheerfully, financial giving is no longer an act at all. They have stopped doing it altogether, either because they got sick and tired of the pressure being applied to them, or they really could not afford to tithe, or they saw the money they gave misused and feel that they were cheated when they did give.
Neither of these attitudes—giving joylessly or not giving at all—is biblically right, neither is the will of God, and both are therefore detrimental to a believer. That fits with John 8:32, where Jesus said that experientially knowing the truth, that is, practicing it, will make one free. Conversely, error regarding the Bible (the truth) will put people in bondage. And financial giving is a category in which countless Christian people are being subjected to the bondage of guilt and put through an emotional wringer they do not deserve.

If you feel that the above describes you, take heart, because you can be set free by the truth of God's Word. Then you can also share with others the treasure you have found. In our economically driven world of today, having the right attitude about money and material things is a huge asset in life. Knowing and practicing what God's Word says about financial giving will enable you to experience the joy of giving, and it will enable others in the Body of Christ to experience the joy of receiving and therefore having their needs met, so that together we can reach out with the Good News of God to a dying world.

A study of the Old Testament will show that tithing was instituted as part of the Mosaic Law to Israel. Some Christians point to Genesis 14 and/or 28 in a misguided attempt to prove that tithing was instituted prior to the Mosaic Law and is therefore relevant to Christians today. Their rationale is that because Abram gave ten per cent of the spoils of war to Melchisedek, and because Jacob chose ten per cent as the amount to give to God for watching over him on his journey, this is the prescribed amount God would have all people give. This is not sound biblical scholarship.

The Genesis 14 record takes place approximately 2000 years after Adam and Eve, and during all those years there is no biblical reference to tithing. Nor is there any record that Abram ever tithed as a result of some biblical law that told him to do so, and he certainly was “making money!” When he did give one tenth, it was not of the increase of his flocks and herds, which was the tithe prescribed by the Law, but rather of the spoils of war that he had gained by defeating the army from Mesopotamia.

In Genesis 28, Jacob told God that if He would keep him safe on his journey, keep him clothed and fed, and bring him home safely, he would give God a tenth of what he had. That was certainly not the Mosaic tithe, which was commanded whether or not those things happened. Both Jacob and Abram gave in response to a blessing.

Even in regard to Israel, for whom the tithe was specifically instituted, nothing was said about it until the beginning of the second year of their exodus. Prior to that, in Exodus 25, for the building of the Tabernacle, Moses instructed the Israelites to give “as their heart prompted them.”
You often hear proponents of the tithe say that surely Christians would do no less than what Jews did in the Old Testament, as if every Israelite gave ten per cent of his income. A detailed study of the tithe is beyond the scope of this FAQ, but suffice it to say that the idea that each Israelite gave ten per cent of his income (and therefore each Christian should do likewise) is far from the truth.

For example, an Israelite who had fewer than ten cattle born to him in a year did not have to tithe on them because the requirement stated that only the tenth animal that passed under the rod was to be tithed (Lev. 27:32). A farmer who had only eight cows born was therefore exempt from the tithe.
The tithe was basically on animal and agricultural products, and was paid in kind (i.e., the product itself). If one did not wish to pay his tithe in agricultural products, and decided to give money as a substitute, he was penalized and had to add a fifth part of its estimated value to the amount he paid (Lev. 27:31). Such a law was obviously not intended to encourage payment of the tithe in money.

The main purpose of the tithe was to support the Levitical priesthood. The Levites were responsible to minister to the people, and were prohibited from owning land, which obviously limited the ways in which they could earn income. God’s plan was that their support came from those to whom they ministered, much like the direction of Scripture for the Church today (1 Cor. 9:1ff; Gal. 6:6ff, etc.). The tithe also provided welfare for widows, orphans, etc.

One reason why there was no command to tithe until the Mosaic Law was that until then there was no Tabernacle (Tent of Meeting) and no Temple, no regular sacrifices commanded (the daily sacrifices alone commanded by the Law required more than 700 animals a year), and no class of Levitical priests to support. None of these would be relevant to a Christian today, even if they did exist.

Should a Christian today tithe? One is free to give 10% if he chooses, but we are not commanded to give any particular percentage or amount. Sad to say that many Christians, once misled and often emotionally coerced into tithing, stopped giving altogether when they learned the tithe is not required. 2 Corinthians 9:6 and 7 make it clear that the more generously we “sow” with the right attitude, the more abundantly we will reap.

For some believers who do not earn much, giving generously may not mean a large amount. For others, it may mean millions of dollars, and far more than 10%. Each Christian’s situation is different, and that is why God does not prescribe specific amounts that we should give, but allows us to make our own decisions. Remember, we are “fellow laborers” with Him, and He loves to work with us in determining how much and to whom we should give, and He loves to bless us with more so that we can give more. That kind of giving makes for an exciting element of the Christian life.

You may say, “Well, what about Malachi 3:6-10? That says people who do not tithe are ‘robbing God.’” Those verses have been used innumerable times to prod Christians into giving, but wait a moment—TO WHOM is Malachi written? Well, in verse 9 of chapter 3 it says “the whole nation” is under a curse. What nation? The USA? No, the book of Malachi is specifically addressed to the nation of Israel, and more specifically to the priests (see 1:6,10-13; 2:1,7 and 8) who were badly mistreating God’s people. To use verses from Malachi as if they are talking to Christians is at best poor scholarship and at worst dishonest.

So what should Christians do about financial giving? 2 Corinthians 8 and 9 is the first place to go to find the answer to that question, and the heart of the message there is expressed in 9:7: “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” If, for you, that’s ten per cent, great.

Beyond that, Scripture directs us to give to those who are genuinely ministering to our spiritual needs. When we do, we are making a sound investment in (that is, sowing into) a work that is bearing good spiritual fruit. Although there is no way we can help everyone who asks us, we are also encouraged to give to those in need, and we can seek the Lord for wisdom in doing so.

For a Christian, giving from the heart is all about knowing that we have a great, big, wonderful God, and also understanding who we are in Christ. Speaking of the attitude of the believers in Corinth about financial giving, Paul said: "This they did, not as we hoped, but even beyond that, first they gave their own selves to the Lord, and to us, by the will of God” (2 Cor. 8:5). As Christians, each of us has been “bought with a price.” We (let alone our material possessions) don't even belong to ourselves. When you know that you belong to the Lord, and that everything that you have belongs to the Lord, and that he is responsible to keep his promises to care for you, then you can truly be a cheerful giver.
 
We tithe 10% of our combined gross income (as mentioned previously - "first fruits". Of the 10% - 90% to our church and 10% to Habitat for Humanity. Our pastor said "it should be to your home church, however, if a cause is on your heart you need to do that". Over and above our tithe was also give to our church's building fund - so our church can be built.

I never thought growing up I would tithe - but due to God's glory we have seen an even better upturn in our finances by being good stewards of his money.
 
gr8ful4Him said:
Ok, maybe I shouldn't post here...after all, I'm a PW (pastor's wife). My dh is a "circuit rider", meaning he actually pastors 3 different churches. I believe in tithing 10% of our income, giving it back to God. Does that mean that it has to go to our local church? In our situation, which church gets the $$ :confused3 It's really a strange situation to be in, and we're fairly new to it. When my dh wasn't a pastor, we tithed directly to the church we were attending.
For now, we've been giving to DMLive and other Christian organizations because we know that God is using them in tremendous ways to reach the lost. I haven't felt a conviction from God that we're doing the wrong thing here, so I guess we'll continue to give to these organizations.


Hi there!
What a blessing that your husband is pastoring 3 different churches! Are the new churches just getting off the ground? Only y'all can know what God wants you to do with the money of your tithe - but I think I would just split the tithe equally between the three.. if the churches are just getting started then they need all the help they can get!
 
graygables said:
MKCP5, I guess the question I'm asking is why aren't we taught to tithe like in that passage of scripture? It says that we are to eat and drink our tithe at the temple, in the presence of the Lord to celebrate. Having been brought up a Southern Baptist, dare I point out the command to purchase wine and other fermented drink? ;) Someone pointed out that if everyone gave a full 10%, the recipients would be better off than the middle class, so wasn't that why the original commandment was to offer the tithe for the "church" (levites, widows, poor) once every 3 years, to keep a balance, so to speak? This has always been something I've had difficulty with and every pastor I've ever asked about the passage became angry and defensive and never offered me an adequate answer.

Heh, I guess I'd get pretty angry too if I was a pastor and relied on your tithing for my personal income
;)

I have found this thread fascinating quite frankly. I honestly did not believe that so many people actually "tithe" 10% of their income. I think it's wonderful to give to your church, but what surprises me in this thread is the obvious pressure that some of you feel from your pastors about giving the full 10%, gross, including benefits. It's also clear that some of you feel as though if you haven't given the full 10% that your relationship with God is in jeopardy somehow, or that you're doomed in some way. And when you do give, and give lots, that all of the sudden things get better. It's sounds sort of like brainwashing to me...to hear families stand up and testify how wonderful their lives are when they give more as opposed to less. All sort of alarms would be going off in my head if I ever heard that sort of testimony.

My DH and I have a wonderful life and we're very fortunate, in many ways. We give to many charaties, as I said earlier, but I will tell you that it's definitely not 10% of our income. We do however live well beneath our means and have a great deal of investments and retirement savings. We feel as though we're prepared for any misfortune that may befall us. Good things happen to people and bad things happen to people. I just see no correlation in our lives between the amout of charitable contributions and misfortunate events. We're all responsible for ourselves to a Major degree. God will not fund your 401K for you because you tithed your 10% but came up short at age 62 or so.

I'd like to think that God looks favorable upon those of us who are responsible and save enough to take care of ourselves when we're older. I also think it's okay for us to be charitable within our own families.
 
We tithe a strict 10% of gross income to our church. (we are Latter Day Saints). We occasionally contribute to other causes in addition to this. I consider it a privledge to give something back to God in thanks for all we've been given. I write out a tithing check every payday, before spending money on anything else.
 
Rosie28A said:
When you consider that a sizable portion of our income day goes to Federal, Sate, County and City purposes which doles much to charity, possibly to garner votes, possibly otherwise and then in addition there is the United Fund and many other charities, that giving five percent to our church suffices if you believe in the tithe. The poor were sometimes fed to the lions in times past. There was none of the above available. Should everyone tithe at 10% today, those in need from a financial point of view would fair well better than those who put in a hard forty every week. Today there are many on the receiving end of charity that are far better off than some of the tithers."

I think this makes an excellent point. As I have read through this thread, i have seen historical description of tithing and where the money went. Money went to support the churches/temples and leaders but also to help the widow and the poor. Retirement savings is really a relatively modern thing. People worked until they were ill and then family and/or society took care of them. Overtime govenrnment has taken over or at least supplemented many of the social services that were once the domain of churches. Much of what we pay in taxes and what we save for retirement oes to these same purposes- the welfare of others now and ourselves in the future. I don't know if there is an exact percentage of gross or net that is "right", but i do believe that between what i pay in taxes, my own contributions to the United Way, our church and other charities that well more than 10% of my gross income goes to support the society that i live in.
 


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