Tipping.....

[Lewisc]

Actually you're agreeing with me. Employees in a "tipped position" are generally rpaid less than the minimum wage Unlike waiters, bellhops, valets etc Disney pays housekeepers at least the minimum wage and never lists housekeepers in the list of castmembers that are generally "tipped".

This isn't an "opinion" question. Disney doesn't consider housekeepers a tipped position.

There are many CMs who work for not much more (if any) then the minimum wage who aren't tipped. CMs that clean the bathrooms in the theme parks for example.

they were indeed paid minimum wage or a tiny bit more ? ....
So for now, until I get more proof, I'm going to disagree with you.

 

[beattyfamily]

In general housekeeping is a "tipped" position HOWEVER WDW IS AN EXCEPTION. Disney pays housekeepers more then minimum wage and when Disney lists the cast members that are generally tipped for exceptional service housekeeping is always omitted.

Tipped employees such as valets,bellhops, waiters and bar tenders derive the majority of their compensation from tips. Guests that don't tip those employees are literally expecting them to serve them for free.

That is not the case with housekeepers. Some guests chose to tip them but guests who chose not to aren't being cheap and aren't doing anything wrong.

That 'list' is only a guideline for guests and has been disputed by various Disney resort managers and even a Disney guidebook so...

No one on this thread, that I can recall, has ever said that not tipping housekeeping is "cheap" or "wrong'. On the contrary, I, and others, have said time and again that it is a personal choice and always optional as tipping always is. What we have been discussing is whether housekeeping is or isn't traditionally a tipped position and it is.

 

[LBelle]

That 'list' is only a guideline for guests and has been disputed by various Disney resort managers and even a Disney guidebook so...

No one on this thread, that I can recall, has ever said that not tipping housekeeping is "cheap" or "wrong'. On the contrary, I, and others, have said time and again that it is a personal choice and always optional as tipping always is. What we have been discussing is whether housekeeping is or isn't traditionally a tipped position and it is.

 

[Lewisc]

That list serves to let guests know which positions are "tipped", in which guests tips form the basis of their compensation.

Failing to tip a "tipped" employee is cheap and wrong. Tipping housekeeping is optional, tipping "tipped" employees is only legally optional.

Poster have said housekeeping isn't a "tipped position" at WDW, you're aware of Disney's list, you know Disney doesn't consider housekeeping "tipped"

yet you continue to say:

It's also quite obvious that it's a countrywide, and even world wide standard, that housekeeping IS a tipped position. Did you even look at the above link?

THIS A DIS RESORT BOARD, PEOPLE ARE ASKING ABOUT TIPPING WDW HOUSEKEEPING you're giving industry standards even though you know those standards don't apply at WDW.

Bicker had a conversation with hotel managers. The only "dispute" is if the housekeepers are allowed to keep tips or have to turn them in. It appears the current policy allows housekeepers to keep tips.

That 'list' is only a guideline for guests and has been disputed by various Disney resort managers and even a Disney guidebook so...

No one on this thread, that I can recall, has ever said that not tipping housekeeping is "cheap" or "wrong'. On the contrary, I, and others, have said time and again that it is a personal choice and always optional as tipping always is. What we have been discussing is whether housekeeping is or isn't traditionally a tipped position and it is.

 

[beattyfamily]

That list serves to let guests know which positions are "tipped", in which guests tips form the basis of their compensation.

Failing to tip a "tipped" employee is cheap and wrong. Tipping housekeeping is optional, tipping "tipped" employees is only legally optional.

Poster have said housekeeping isn't a "tipped position" at WDW, you're aware of Disney's list, you know Disney doesn't consider housekeeping "tipped"

THIS A DIS RESORT BOARD, PEOPLE ARE ASKING ABOUT TIPPING WDW HOUSEKEEPING you're giving industry standards even though you know those standards don't apply at WDW.

Bicker had a conversation with hotel managers. The only "dispute" is if the housekeepers are allowed to keep tips or have to turn them in. It appears the current policy allows housekeepers to keep tips.

I know how you feel and you know how I feel. This is a waste of time.

So we're only allowed to discuss Disney on a Disney board? Good to know.

You 'know' I know about the list? You 'know' I know those standards don't apply to Disney? How do you know so much about me? I've never seen this 'list'. I've only heard about it from folks like you. I've never received it in all my 11 trips. So I'll go by the countrywide tipping standards, thanks.

I don't know or care who Bicker talked to. Many guests/DISers have discussed this with resort management either in person or via the phone and posted their stories here which differ from what you said.

You are the only one telling us in this thread what is cheap and wrong. Again tipping is always optional and no one should ever be forced to tip.

I'm done.

Just a suggestion; in the future, why don't you scan this 'list' and post it in threads like this so folks can decide for themselves. If this list is so important to your arguement, scan it and show us it.

 

[wdwthreethiels]

To each his own of course BUT.....you don't honestly think that your hairdresser keeps all of that $12 for your haircut, do you????? Obviously, the $12 haircut places you go to (MagicCuts, SuperCuts, whatever they're called) are not going to make $0 from the clients!!! I don't know what percentage the 'stylists' make there but I can guarantee you that they are NOT making anything CLOSE to $48/hour!

Personally, I/we ALWAYS tip to service industry workers. I can't even imagine going on vacation and NOT tipping the people who truly make it an actual vacation for us.....HOUSEKEEPING and SERVERS!!!!

As I've said...there is no real right or wrong but I think most people are aware of the fact that these are, generally, quite low-paying positions and that most service workers DO depend on their tips.

totally agree

 

[heavenleigh412]

wow

who would think that a discussion of whether or not people tip mousekeeping would get so heated?

Yes, it is a matter of personal preference... some people like to leave a tip and some people do not... whatever.

Maybe we can all act like adults and carry on a conversation without being evil about it.

My prefererence is to tip, and I will do it no matter how many people tell me that I don't have to... I tip all people providing a service to me personally...

BTW I have been to Disney many times, and I have never seen a list of who should be tipped and how much is customary ... I tip accordingly to the amount of service provided, no matter where I am. (although tipping is considered vulgar and disrespectful in some Asian countries)

 

[MiaSRN62]

Employees in a "tipped position" are generally rpaid less than the minimum wage Unlike waiters, bellhops, valets etc Disney pays housekeepers at least the minimum wage and never lists housekeepers in the list of castmembers that are generally "tipped".

There are many positions that make "minimum" wage but are tipped in this country. Considering what housekeepers do (clean my personal mess and that of many others), I feel their minimum wage job is deserving of a tip from me. I'll bet valet/bell hops in their "tipped positions" make out better financially than their counterpart "non tipped" positions. And the way I see it, mousekeepers are doing a very personal service for me. They make the same as the CM working at the Emporium---ringing up merchandise. But mousekeepers are scrubbing toilets and tubs, cleaning mess---some of it disgusting---I know because a college friend of mine used to be a housekeeper at a NJ hotel. There were some very disgusting personal hygeine issues that I won't get into, but just use your imagination. Valet and Bell Hops don't have to deal with that.
So I just see that mousekeeper is working very hard (thankless job) for minimum. Dh and I had a friend who used to valet park----he made a mint doing it and said it was easy work overall (for great tips). He told us he would average $40-$80/hour depending on the night and other factors ! It wasn't a full-time position for him, but he wished it was. Valet can move cars (and bell hops can move luggage) alot quicker than a housekeeper can clean/turnover a room. So I look at the whole picture.

Originally Posted by beattyfamily
That 'list' is only a guideline for guests and has been disputed by various Disney resort managers and even a Disney guidebook so...

Agreed....and many online reputable sites I came across dispute it as well. Like I said, alot of people will look for any reason not to tip.......nothing we can say will change their minds........

 

[MiaSRN62]

Maybe we can all act like adults and carry on a conversation without being evil about it.

Respectfully Heaven....I don't really see anyone being "evil" or not acting like adults in this discussion ?

I just see it as some good/healthy discussion and debate. I actually feel this thread has been quite civil compared to some similar ones I've seen over the years on these boards.

 

[heavenleigh412]

Respectfully as well, we have differing opinions on respectful.

This thread started out with OP asking if everyone decorates their mousekeeping envelopes. Their second question was who else to tip.

 

[MiaSRN62]

Respectfully as well, we have differing opinions on respectful.

This thread started out with OP asking if everyone decorates their mousekeeping envelopes. Their second question was who else to tip.

So true....it got a bit off-track, but I don't think anyone is being "evil" ? I guess I'm not seeing what you are ? But if you feel we're all being non-adult-like and evil, that is your right.

 

[heavenleigh412]

So true....it got a bit off-track, but I don't think anyone is being "evil" ? I guess I'm not seeing what you are ? But if you feel we're all being non-adult-like and evil, that is your right.

I guess my point was that the thread deteriorated to a point where people were talking about how it was not neccessary to tip hairdressers or mousekeeping, and sometimes not anyone at WDW.

Tipping is a matter of personal preference, everyone has their own.

No one is required to tip, and no one should be made to feel like they are commiting a crime if they do.
(not pointing at anyone specifically, just talking about the vibe here)

 

[beattyfamily]

I guess my point was that the thread deteriorated to a point where people were talking about how it was not neccessary to tip hairdressers or mousekeeping, and sometimes not anyone at WDW.

Tipping is a matter of personal preference, everyone has their own.

No one is required to tip, and no one should be made to feel like they are commiting a crime if they do.
(not pointing at anyone specifically, just talking about the vibe here)

Unfortunately, this topic is one of those topics like refillable mugs, 5 to a room, should I buy my 3 year old a ticket etc...

No matter how the question is asked, how much should I tip, how much do you leave, do you make envelopes, it always, without fail deteriorates. If you do a search on tipping and mousekeeping, you will see it always happens.

Anyway, I do agree with you. Tipping is not required ever. It's a personal preference on who you tip and how much.

 

[MiaSRN62]

heaven says :Tipping is a matter of personal preference, everyone has their own.

No one is required to tip, and no one should be made to feel like they are commiting a crime if they do.

I agree and I do feel like this has been the underlying point to the discussion. I think it's just different people providing their personal input/opinions as to what is the correct thing to do. Of course, everyone will have varying thoughts and feelings on this topic. That is to be expected, but I don't see anyone putting anyone else down for their personal beliefs on this matter. IOW, I feel we're able to discuss our varying opinions but still be respectful at the same time. I don't see anyone "pro or con" tipping that has been made to feel like a criminal or anything. This is a good thing, because I've seen threads like this deteriorate and get closed fast.
I'm assuming the mods feel we're all being pretty civil to eachother or they would lock this thread in a heartbeat. So that says something for this 5 page thread......
Sometimes, the exchanging of views as we are doing here, makes someone see something in a different way that they might not have normally seen. Regardless of which direction the views may take.

 

[Lewisc]

I don't know how to attach a scan to a post. If you want to see the list I'll be happy to scan it and email it to you. If you PM me with an email address, use a "disposable" hotmail email if you want, I'll scan and email it to you. For whatever reason WDW doesn't follow industry standards. I understand, but can't confirm, that Disneyland hotels do follow industry standards.

Sorry, but I think it's wrong to equate tipping Disney housekeepers with tipping positions that are clearly listed as being "tipped". Tipping waiters and the like is expected, tipping housekeeping (at WDW) isn't. Waiters don't even earn minimum wage if we don't tip, housekeepers earn a salary Disney and the union feel is appropriate even if we don't tip. BIG DIFFERENCE

A few posters in this thread said housekeeping isn't considered a "tipped" position at WDW. That is a true statement and links regarding industry practice with regards to tipping housekeeping is irrelevant and misleading. I only posted when several posters contradicted the posters who said Disney doesn't consider housekeeping to be a tipped postion.

There are many CMs, who help make our stay "magical", who don't make much more than minimum wage and aren't generally tipped.

I'll sometimes tip housekeeping, for some of the reasons listed in this thread. I don't feel obligated and probably don't tip much more then half the time (at WDW hotels). I'll tip if I think I left an extra mess, if I ask for extra towels, if the housekeeper notices I'm using the coffee and leaves extra, sometimes without having to ask etc.

To answer the original question since housekeeping isn't a tipped position you have to make it clear the money is a tip, otherwise the housekeeper is stealing your money. If you see your housekeeper in the hall personally tip. You're sure the housekeeper gets your money, you get a chance to say thank you, ask for extra towels and let your housekeeper know when your room will be empty for cleaning. Otherwise leave a note, use an envelope or just make it very obvious. Leaving the money in the bathroom right by the sink faucet is generally a sign.

I know how you feel and you know how I feel. This is a waste of time.

So we're only allowed to discuss Disney on a Disney board? Good to know.

You 'know' I know about the list? You 'know' I know those standards don't apply to Disney? How do you know so much about me? I've never seen this 'list'. I've only heard about it from folks like you. I've never received it in all my 11 trips. So I'll go by the countrywide tipping standards, thanks.

I don't know or care who Bicker talked to. Many guests/DISers have discussed this with resort management either in person or via the phone and posted their stories here which differ from what you said.

You are the only one telling us in this thread what is cheap and wrong. Again tipping is always optional and no one should ever be forced to tip.

I'm done.

Just a suggestion; in the future, why don't you scan this 'list' and post it in threads like this so folks can decide for themselves. If this list is so important to your arguement, scan it and show us it.

 

[tynesntx]

I had my kids make the envelopes. They had fun doing it. We left 5-10 dollars a day. They mousekeeper did a lot of fun things back for the kids. On our last day my DH was feeling quite generous and gave her a 100.00 bill. (I know that is way out of the norm!) She started crying and hugged him. You know they probably don't make a whole lot for cleaning up our mess. It is good to pass on some blessing when we are so lucky to be able to go on such a fun vacation.

 

[Alicnwondrln]

we always tip the mouse keepers and then again for turn down

 

[MiaSRN62]

There are many CMs, who help make our stay "magical", who don't make much more than minimum wage and aren't generally tipped.

I agree Lewis....and you're right...noone should feel "obligated". I just see mousekeeping as different from most other disney non-tipped positions. The woman/gentleman who checks me in at the resort lobby isn't cleaning my toilet ? The CM working in the gift shop isn't changing my sheets, wiping down my bathroom sink etc......the CM who sells me my Mickey bar in the MK isn't emptying my personal trash and disposing of my waste (dirty diapers, personal hygiene items etc). Yet (I agree) all these people do truly make my trip "magical". I just see the housekeeper as making the same money as them, yet doing a much more personal service for me and my family and all families who stay in disney resorts. This is why I, personally, feel they deserve to be tipped (but by no means should anyone feel obligated and I'm sure there are those that don't share my viewpoints, such as yourself Lewis...and that's fine). We agree to disagree.

 

[5boyz]

Last year I left a tip too but the same tip sat there for the entire 12 days, I had an envelope with mousekeeping written on it with MM stickers all over it, anyway just kept adding to it and still there at the end so left it, also left a full case of water (24) as we were flying. But in anycase the mousekeeping was really not very good, I purposely started to leave things on purpose to see if they would pick it up or move it or clean it and they didn't. We are staying at POP again this year and I am hoping for better service. Actually my daughter (for some reason) wet the bed. I stripped the bed and left everything under the window, that night we got into bed and I could smell pee, they had put the same sheets and blanket and comforter back on. So I will make sure this year I complain if i get this service. I will still leave a tip!

 

[sunee]

Poster have said housekeeping isn't a "tipped position" at WDW, you're aware of Disney's list, you know Disney doesn't consider housekeeping "tipped"

Nobody really cares about how Disney works out taxes with their employees. They are talking about customs here in America, not Disney's internal Personnel/Accounting crap.

Any hotel or restaurant manager would tell you that you aren't required to tip - everyone knows that, anyway.

People are just saying that, Yes, in America it is customary to tip the hotel maids.

Bicker had a conversation with hotel managers...

Oh, well then.