Tipping Tipping Tipping....the dreaded tipping thread. LOL ?????? Please

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Thought I would add something else to the thread that I started that has gone HOG WILD. Anyway....yesterday my dd and I went to dinner at Outback. Our bill was about 44 bucks. I tipped 6 and that was it. Our waitress was very nice, but she barely checked on us, took forever to bring our drinks..matter of fact our salads were brought out by a food runner before our drinks made it out. Then when I asked for another glass...that took her a long time. I really didn't want to leave her 6 bucks but I just couldn't. She had 3-4 tables including ours when we were there. The food was brought out by other people so it wasn't like she had a lot to do.
 
You know it is exactly this kind of attitude that makes folks resent tipping... at some point in the game it began to feel a lot less like a thank you (Which was what it was invented to be) and began to feel a whole heck of a lot like extortion.

I constantly hear servers whining about how customers make them feel less then human.... but they never once stop to realize that this kind of attitude along with the "treating me good wont pay my bills" disregard of those who may not tip what you want them too - but still treat you as human beings, makes your customers feel less then human.

Servers say that they are no more to most of their customers then some less then human thing that is supposed to cater to their every whim - well I would like to point out that to servers with your attitude (and from what I read her on the dis - that would be mos of you) we customers are nothing more then a walking ATM machine meant to spit out the amount you request upon demand or else... you want to know why some customers treat servers as less then human (not that I do - I may be cheap, but I am alway friendly and easy to work with) I want to know why to some of you - the customer is less then human.


Just got home from work, so just got online. What I meant by that is, if I have someone that I know does not tip or is a horrible tipper no matter what I wont bend over backwards for them. Do the special little things, I would do for other patrons like making sure they have extra napkins without asking. Making sure they never have to ask for a refill, etc You get the basic service and that is it from me. I guess you can't understand what I am saying unless you have actually waited tables before. Do you expect to get paid from your job? That is all I expect from mine, and when I am done waiting tables I will always remember to tip my server good..
 
Thought I would add something else to the thread that I started that has gone HOG WILD. Anyway....yesterday my dd and I went to dinner at Outback. Our bill was about 44 bucks. I tipped 6 and that was it. Our waitress was very nice, but she barely checked on us, took forever to bring our drinks..matter of fact our salads were brought out by a food runner before our drinks made it out. Then when I asked for another glass...that took her a long time. I really didn't want to leave her 6 bucks but I just couldn't. She had 3-4 tables including ours when we were there. The food was brought out by other people so it wasn't like she had a lot to do.

Actually that is a decent tip for not so great service you received. We don't have food runners at my job, I mean we help each other out if we need help.
 
You know it is exactly this kind of attitude that makes folks resent tipping... at some point in the game it began to feel a lot less like a thank you (Which was what it was invented to be) and began to feel a whole heck of a lot like extortion.

I constantly hear servers whining about how customers make them feel less then human.... but they never once stop to realize that this kind of attitude along with the "treating me good wont pay my bills" disregard of those who may not tip what you want them too - but still treat you as human beings, makes your customers feel less then human.

Servers say that they are no more to most of their customers then some less then human thing that is supposed to cater to their every whim - well I would like to point out that to servers with your attitude (and from what I read her on the dis - that would be mos of you) we customers are nothing more then a walking ATM machine meant to spit out the amount you request upon demand or else... you want to know why some customers treat servers as less then human (not that I do - I may be cheap, but I am alway friendly and easy to work with) I want to know why to some of you - the customer is less then human.

I am sorry you feel this way, we servers are truly good people..:love:
 

I am sorry you feel this way, we servers are truly good people..:love:

I can tell you are a great person and dont mean to offend (wich is way i said you would regret the way a previous post sounded). You are just trying to protect your profession and i am sure if you ever served me i would certainly be giving you a great tip. The point myself and other posters are trying to make is that it shouldnt be expected, rather earned. Which by the sound of it is definately what you do. Please dont take replys personally we are just trying to get our point of view across just like you.
 
Hmmmm... well, here are some numbers to think about. In Florida, the minimum wage is $6.67 per hour. Someone who is working a 40 hour week is taking home, before taxes, $266.80 per week, or $13,340 per year (assuming they take a total of 10 days off for holidays and unavoidable missed time). The Fair Labor Standards Act, a federal law, permits this minimum to be offset by tips, so waitstaff can legally be paid $3.65 per hour. If they don't make enough tips to cover the difference, the employer is supposed to make it up. In practice, because tipping is an accepted custom in the US, I imagine that someone who didn't make enough tips to cover the offset would be fired on the assumption/evidence that they were giving poor service.

Let's assume, however, the the waitperson goes untipped for decent service and that the employer does make up the shortfall. His or her check is subject to federal income, social security and medicare taxes (Florida has no state income tax), bringing their annual post-tax salary down to $11,551.50. You can (and probably should) be appalled that this is a legal wage, but it is.

I went online to try to find studio apartment rates for the Orlando/Lake Buena Vista area. It's tough because so much of the real estate is geared to vacationers, but no site showed a studio apartment for less than $500/month. If s/he has a room in a shared apartment, it might get down to $400. With security deposit, that's $5200. Subtract food ($4500 annually), clothes ($500), electric ($300? I don't know FL rates), transportation ($450 for a bus pass), and you're down to $601.50. FOR THE YEAR. The U.S. doesn't have nationalized medical care, so the individual had better not get sick or injured, because one trip to the emergency room will swallow all of that. And bear in mind -- my numbers assume this person is single. He or she doesn't have to feed or clothe children, or arrange day care while earning their income. Second jobs for single parents with kids are pretty much impossible if they don't have a grandparent or other support person around.

I'm not advocating tipping for terrible service, and I didn't care for cinderbear's tone at all. But for those of us who are lucky enough to be able to vacation at Disney World -- many of us annually, or even multiple times annually -- I'd argue that undertipping or omitting a tip for decent service is a very sad economy indeed.
 
I can tell you are a great person and dont mean to offend (wich is way i said you would regret the way a previous post sounded). You are just trying to protect your profession and i am sure if you ever served me i would certainly be giving you a great tip. The point myself and other posters are trying to make is that it shouldnt be expected, rather earned. Which by the sound of it is definately what you do. Please dont take replys personally we are just trying to get our point of view across just like you.

:cloud9: Thank You..
 
Wow! I never knew there was a college degree program for Bellhops "Every one of the 15 bellman on staff at my resort have college degrees so please don't offend me by telling me to get an education". Interesting career choice. On topic, seems to me that $2 / bag should be plenty. But what do I know? I prefer to carry / roll my own. I travel too much to worry about paying someone to carry my bags to my room.

Makes perfect sense. The bellhops went to college got a degree in order to earn a respectable salary, then realized with "MINIMUM" tipping being $2 -$5 dollars a bag they were in the wrong profession, because that is where the real money is.
 
I never understood the "if you don't like it find another career" argument. If service providers are not paid a livable wage and we all go onto some other career who will serve your dinner, carry your luggage, cut your hair, drive your taxi, etc. Remember you "have to depend on other people" to provide these services for you. So is it not fair that we expect an appropiate tip from you in return to pay our bills. If it helps you to think of the tip as a charge for the service, just like a mechanic, than that's fine. Think of it as our charge. Think of us as independant contractors if you must. Most service workers don't even make minimum wage because the employment laws state that if it is resonably "expected" that the employee will be compensated the majority of their pay from tips then a company does not have to pay them the minimum wage. So the paycheck we get doesn't really cover anything. Every one of the 15 bellman on staff at my resort have college degrees so please don't offend me by telling me to get an education. Now having said that I make a resonable living wage where I work thanks to the generosity of most of our guest. No, I don't make 83k a year because the truth is there are some people who stiff us or who haven't updated their tipping schedule for the last 15 years. Like all of you we deal with the increased gas prices, astronomical housing prices, and general inflation. $1 per bag may have been the norm back when, but trust me it is not any longer. Inflation hits EVERY area of the economy including the service sector. My original post was meant to educate not to incite. The numbers I used are real they are not my ideal or fairy tale numbers as one poster suggested. If you don't believe me ask your bellman what the norm is, or better yet become a service worker for a month and see if you don't change your opinion. I find it strange that the people most adamant about not tipping or not tipping the proper amount most likely have never worked in the service industry. This is my last post concerning this topic. I know some of you understand where I'm coming from and I also know some of you will just never get it or don't want to get it.

First off, let me agree that I don't understand the find another career line of thinking either, BUT I also don't have to depend on other people to do any of the things you mention. I CHOOSE to have someone do them. Sometimes it is because it is just easier and sometimes it is just because the service is available, so why not use it.

What you don't seem to understand is that you don't have the right to charge or expect anything of anyone utilizing your service. You have an employer who pays you (however small & unfair the amount might be) to do a certain job. If you chose not to do the job because people choose not to pay the amount of tip you expected, or even (heaven forbid) give no tip, you would be out of a job rather quickly. Believe me, even though it is a low-wage job, there will be someone standing in line waiting to replace you. Fortunately, most people recognize that the job you do is not well paid, and since you provide a service to them, choose to tip you something extra for providing that service. To compare your position to the mechanic at a garage is just ludicrous. The garage owner sets the fees, not the mechanic. The mechanic is an employee of the garage, just as you are an employee of the resort or restaurant. If my mechanic told me that he expected a tip, let alone a certain amount of tip, I would first inform the owner of the garage of said mechanic's impudence and second, take my car elsewhere to be repaired.

Additionally, trying to say that the service industry should be paid more because of inflation is a flawed argument. You want a raise (higher tips) because inflation is cutting into your take home pay. Those that work in the restaurant business get a raise even if the percentage rate stayed level for the past 15 years. Why? Because as the prices of meals at restaurants increase, so does the amount of the tip. If I paid $20 for a meal 10 years ago and left 10% that would be $2. Today that meal is probably at least $25, and so if I still left a 10% tip the server would get $2.50 (which is more than they would have gotten 10 years ago and therefore a built in raise.) Yet you want a MINIMUM of 20% and so now the tip would be $5, more than double the original tip! Furthermore, why should persons working in the service industry get a raise and the rest of us not? Many of us have not had raises for several years while also dealing with the higher costs you mention. Maybe you would prefer that we all take vacations and other non-essentials (primarily service industry related) activities out of our budgets and then you would get no tips?

What you are failing to realize is that whether to tip or not is at the sole discretion of the customer, unless stated prior to receiving the service. While there are customary rates for different job classifications, none of these are set in stone. The rates you seem to think are MINIMUMS might be acceptable in a 5 diamond resort, but few (actually I don't think any) of the Disney resorts have a 5 diamond rating and so therefore, your MINIMUMS are way out of line. In the real world, with just us average types, $2/bag & 20% is pretty much the best tip you're going to get (with a once-in-a-while higher) from most of us.

Keep on banging your drum, maybe you'll get someone to follow.:rockband:
 
I wouldn't call it hard, stressful or difficult. Not where I work. I work in a small, 13 table restaurant but boy do I make some serious money. I am great to my tables. I don't think I have ever been rude and I have a great knack for killing people with kindness. I see those tables as money waiting to be put into my pocet so I am not about to screw it up by giving them less than what they want. HOWEVER, what my customers see in front of them, and what happens when I walk away into the kitchen are 2 totally different things. There are just some people that are incredibly needy, miserable and impossible to please. THOSE are the people that just drain all the motivation nearly out of me. I don't let it ruin my day for my other customers but man, sometimes I leave there saying I can't wait to stop waitressing.

i work in a 80 table chain restaurant. and it can be very hard and stressful. it all depends on the type of restaurant you work on. when you are on a two hour wait from 6-9pm and all you want to do is STOP walking for at least 5 minutes ( but you can't... you don't even have time to use the bathroom...) because your feet are killing you, its different i think. all restaurants are different. i happen to live in a busy part of new jersey. my restaurant is one of the top 3 in the whole chain. we do about 1.5-2.0 million in business a year. and believe me. some days i just don't want to deal with people. but its my job. so i do it. even if i have to kiss a few.. mouse tails to do it...
 
ps. depending on how honest you are when claiming your tips, it can put you in a totally different tax bracket than you are used to. this can lead them to tax your tips further. so said me, who didn't claim enough last year.. and ended up owing the government $1200. wow! never had that happen before. and you bet that i am NOT making that same mistake this year. technically you really only have to claim 7% of your total F&B. you have to at least make $5.15/hr. so the 2.13/hr that i get paid plus tips should equal out to more than that. normally. boy was i unhappy when april came around!
 
I think I will quit my part time job and try waitressing. I might actually understand this OUT OF CONTROL THREAD THAT I STARTED. :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:
 
while i am on a roll right now....

please don't flame me for this...

but sometimes server's jobs can be hard to deal with. anyone with a customer service position will tell you that the public is definetly something that is hard to deal with.

so i think people should give us some slack.

just because you aren't rude to your server doesn't mean other people aren't. how about the lady that yelled out me that i brought out the wrong drink and called me incompentant. i mean... all she had to do was say, im sorry.. this isn't what i ordered.. i would have apologized and corrected my mistake. or the customer i had that i had actually bent over backwards for throughout his whole meal because he was so unhappy with his meal.. he ordered something that took two seconds to make. i put in the order after i left the table. went to get his drink and when i turned around, it was up. so i brought it out. then his avocado was too ripe. then i brought out another lemonade for him because his looked low.. only to find out that the yellow light on the table made his water look yellow... ( it was really his water glass that was low) so by the end of the meal he was so mad. he asked me what country i was from. i told him. ( i get that a lot... why are people so fascinated with asians?) and he told me to go back to korea to make kimchi because i didn't know s... about mexican food. or when i greet a table with "hi my name is.. " and instead of letting me at least get my name out you say, i want a coke. and we are ready to order. i've actually had a guest at another table walk up to me while im taking an order at a table and tap me on the shoulder and tell me they needed me. ( the fact they wanted another coke couldn't wait like 2 more seconds..) and yes, i deal with people like this on a daily basis.

sometimes its hard. and very frusterating.
so please, be nice to me!
im only one person.
the only person benefitting from my long days at work is the chiropractor.
forty bucks a visit, 3 days a week!
 
Wow this thread has been an eye opener to me. My husband and I leave in 9 days and I thought a had a good grip on this whole tipping issue, but after reading this thread I see that we may have to rethink our tipping plan. I do tip about everybody under the sun, skycab if we even use them, bellman, again if we even use them, definately the cleaning staff and the wait staff.

After 23 visits to WDW this will be our first stay on-site and we're making full use of Disney's ME, and staying at a mod resort(CSR). Do most guest using ME buses tip the driver even if they don't actually handle your luggage? I'm not sure if the mod resorts even have bellmen and since we are using ME our luggage will arrive in our room hours after we've arrived so the chances of us actually coming in contact with the person who will handle our one suitcase is slim to none. Since we're leaving our two little girls behind (30th b-day trip for both of us as well as 5th year anniversary-so couples only) we'll be the only people in the room and I thought 5 dollars a day would be appropiate and in regards to tipping while dining, I tip no less than 15 percent-even if we receive poor service and 20 percent if it's above and beyond average. Are these figures still okay or have we turned into a bunch of cheap travelers?

Toya
 
Sorry but you don't depend on your tips to make a living, you still make money off each person who sits in your chair no matter if they tip you or not. But I always tip my hairdresser good, but I will tell you I was shocked at how many tipping positions their are.

How would you know about what it takes for me to make a living?:confused3

I don't own my own shop, so most of the money is going to the owner. At one time we didn't accept tips and the prices were higher. The customers answering a survey said they wanted to tip, so the owner kept the prices the same instead of increasing them as she had planned and then let them tip to make it up. When someone doesn't tip it does affect my pay. I actually preferred the no tipping with a higher pay, because I knew how much I was taking home each week. With tipping it can vary each week. But, I still don't let the tip affect the way I treat my customers. That is the point I was trying to make.:rolleyes1
 
Sorry but you don't depend on your tips to make a living, you still make money off each person who sits in your chair no matter if they tip you or not. But I always tip my hairdresser good, but I will tell you I was shocked at how many tipping positions their are.

Unbelievably flawed comparison! Yes, hairdressers make money off each person who sits in their chairs, whether the customer tips or not, but then so do maids, bellmen, and servers in restaurants, as they make an hourly (albeit very small) salary even when there are no customers at the resort or hotel or restaurant.

Furthermore, you can surely believe, if I get a horrible haircut, I'm not leaving a tip. If I get horrible service in a restaurant (which is very rare), I'm not leaving one there either. If I get average or better service either place, yes I leave a tip and often my DH tells me I leave way too much (sometimes even more than the cost of the meal - think breakfast in that real cheap, but ohhhhh soooooo good local diner). I never feel guilty about not leaving a tip for someone who is not putting forth at least some effort (and again, this is very rare). If you want a tip, any tip, you have to earn it by doing at least an average job. It is not a God-given right because you don't make a good hourly wage.

This idea that dealing w/ the public is difficult and so as customers we should be understanding and forgiving of poor service...well, sorry, but just get over it! Whether another customer is giving you a hard time or not, is not my problem and should not be taken out on me. Yes, I've worked in service positions (most people at some time in their lives do) and yes, the public can be tough to deal with, but when you leave at the end of your shift, your job is over and you go home. Generally speaking, there isn't anyone calling you at home because something isn't right, or taking work home with you that you can't finish between 9 & 5 because the company has decided to cut costs and lays off 3 people and you now do the work of 4 people for the same salary as before, and cuts into what should be family time. Is this fair? Not any less fair than some people not leaving a great tip, but hey, I'm grateful I wasn't one of the 3 who got laid off and either suck it up or try to move on to somewhere else.

I guess I'm just tired of many of the people who depend on tips whining that they should be tipped just because they are serving me. That's what you were hired to do. Again, it's not my problem that you aren't making a decent hourly wage. Give me good service and you'll get a good tip. If you don't do a decent job, you're not going to make good tips and that should be a clue that maybe you are in the wrong field.
 
Please, name one job that doesn't have it's challenges?
Name one job where you don't have to deal with a demanding public at some point or another.

Edited to be more exact.


but sometimes server's jobs can be hard to deal with. anyone with a customer service position will tell you that the public is definetly something that is hard to deal with.
 
Please, name one job that doesn't have it's challenges?
Name one job where you don't have to deal with a demanding public at some point or another.

Edited to be more exact.

right now. i am at work. i don't deal with the public. i sit here at my computer at the bank in my corporate office building. no, i am not a teller. its still stressful because i am always swamped with work.

i didn't say that the only stressful job out there is one which you deal with the public. i said, that dealing with the public is stressful.

please don't over read into what i write.
 
After 23 visits to WDW this will be our first stay on-site and we're making full use of Disney's ME, and staying at a mod resort(CSR). Do most guest using ME buses tip the driver even if they don't actually handle your luggage? I'm not sure if the mod resorts even have bellmen and since we are using ME our luggage will arrive in our room hours after we've arrived so the chances of us actually coming in contact with the person who will handle our one suitcase is slim to none. Since we're leaving our two little girls behind (30th b-day trip for both of us as well as 5th year anniversary-so couples only) we'll be the only people in the room and I thought 5 dollars a day would be appropiate and in regards to tipping while dining, I tip no less than 15 percent-even if we receive poor service and 20 percent if it's above and beyond average. Are these figures still okay or have we turned into a bunch of cheap travelers?

Toya


HAPPY ANNIVERSARY and HAPPY BIRTHDAY(S)!! Have a magical trip, Toya!

Toya, just so you know, Disney tips the ME drivers that bring your luggage for you, because they don't expect you to be in the room. :) So don't worry about that at all. I usually leave housekeeping $2 per night with a note that says "Thank you, Housekeeping" on it so they know it is for them. I've had them not take a tip in the past if I didn't have a note with it. I only leave $2 because they are not technically a 'tipped' position, and it's just a little thank you for them. My room is usually pretty neat, but if there is an extra mess or spill, I might leave more for them. I think your tipping amounts are very generous, you are certainly not a cheap traveler.

Now for those who spend thousands on a WDW vacation and are looking for excuses to stiff the service personnel - they are the cheap travelers. Karma will getcha!
 
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