Tipping at Palo

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BUT they do have income from a wage as well. There are plenty of jobs - fast food restaurants are ubiquitous and are not tipped - that pay at least a base wage. To willingly go to a position where there is no base wage, no matter how small, is volunteering.

would you say the same about realtors and car sales professionals? As they are largely commission only and very regularly derive zero income after giving a prospective client hours of service and for them to then opt to not purchase or purchase elsewhere. folks seem to pay zero care when that happens unfortunately
 
I think you are misusing the phrase IMHO because your opinion is not "humble", it is very arrogant and unkind.
IMHO also can mean In My Honest Opinion, not only humble, so don't get upset about someone giving their honest opinion. It may sound arrogant and unkind to you however it didn't to me. It's all in how we read things and its hard to do online.

Contrary to what the article quoted says - Palo servers only earn what they receive as tips. They do not receive anything from the recommended daily auto gratuity. So if you don't tip - they don't receive any pay for the night's work. (And that does happen).

My daughter works on the Fantasy & her boyfriend works in Palo.
Can Disney do that? I mean....ZERO pay?
I meant without there being a base pay no matter how small. Working SOLELY for tips without any other form of pay IS a stupid decision IMHO.
Disney does NOT hire people and let them work for ZERO pay. They do get a pittance of pay as a server. It was, at one time, $50 a month but I'm not sure if that has risen in the last little while. Then they work for tips which makes up the majority of their income.
My information comes from a good friend who worked on the Magic. I did not believe it at first so I went to the DCL job website and looked it up. There it was, for all to see. Now some may consider that as not getting a pay, after all $50 for a months pay is not a lot, however they can turn that $50 into $2000 if they work hard and people actually do tip.
 
IMHO also can mean In My Honest Opinion, not only humble, so don't get upset about someone giving their honest opinion. It may sound arrogant and unkind to you however it didn't to me. It's all in how we read things and its hard to do online.




Disney does NOT hire people and let them work for ZERO pay. They do get a pittance of pay as a server. It was, at one time, $50 a month but I'm not sure if that has risen in the last little while. Then they work for tips which makes up the majority of their income.
My information comes from a good friend who worked on the Magic. I did not believe it at first so I went to the DCL job website and looked it up. There it was, for all to see. Now some may consider that as not getting a pay, after all $50 for a months pay is not a lot, however they can turn that $50 into $2000 if they work hard and people actually do tip.
The point is that to earn anything they have to work hard AND people have to tip. If they work hard and people don’t tip, they don’t get paid (no I don’t count $50 a month as getting paid when they are working 15 hour days, seven days a wei). The pp was saying that waitstaff are stupid to take that risk. That is what I thought was cruel—it is not stupid to count on others to be fair and pay for the service they receive, because most people do.
 
Disney does NOT hire people and let them work for ZERO pay. They do get a pittance of pay as a server. It was, at one time, $50 a month but I'm not sure if that has risen in the last little while. Then they work for tips which makes up the majority of their income.
My information comes from a good friend who worked on the Magic. I did not believe it at first so I went to the DCL job website and looked it up. There it was, for all to see. Now some may consider that as not getting a pay, after all $50 for a months pay is not a lot, however they can turn that $50 into $2000 if they work hard and people actually do tip.

One other thing to remember is that in many of the countries of origin of many of the workers (especially in tipped positions), $50 a month is a LOT of money. The tipping (and yes, I DO tip) is a bonus. So it is not as dire as it seems.

would you say the same about realtors and car sales professionals? As they are largely commission only and very regularly derive zero income after giving a prospective client hours of service and for them to then opt to not purchase or purchase elsewhere. folks seem to pay zero care when that happens unfortunately

If they are relying on a commission only position as their SOLE source of income for their family, then yes. I would seriously question them basing that on something so weirdly dependent on others.
 

My understanding is that servers at Cabanas get a portion of the standard gratuity for dining room staff, so it is not necessary to tip them separately. You can, of course, leave a gratuity for excellent service, but it would need to be in cash since you won't have a charge to sign.
If you go to guest services, you can literally tip anyone onboard the ship. There is a place to fill out name. What I have done is provide the name, where they are from, and what department that they are working in, or where I encountered them.
The servers at b'fast and lunch in Cabanas are part of the MDR serving crew and get their tips via the daily tips that people pay (or pre-pay)
Exactly correct. During the day, the MDR crew teams rotate to the other areas of the ship. So your server team will rotate to Cabanas for Breakfast/lunch, the next day they might be in royal court/table for breakfast and lunch. At dinner I always ask them where they will be the next day, this way if I enter the restaurant I know they are working at, I can request to be seated in their section. They already know what I like and it continues the relationship. What I do not know is when the host takes your room number at the podium what that is being used for. Does a portion of the standard tip that I pay to my normal server then go to the server who takes care of me that day? Is Disney tracking the number of people who come to dine in those locations, if so, why does room number matter?
 
The point is that to earn anything they have to work hard AND people have to tip. If they work hard and people don’t tip, they don’t get paid (no I don’t count $50 a month as getting paid when they are working 15 hour days, seven days a wei). The pp was saying that waitstaff are stupid to take that risk. That is what I thought was cruel—it is not stupid to count on others to be fair and pay for the service they receive, because most people do.
No, Doug720 said, and I quote,

I meant without there being a base pay no matter how small. Working SOLELY for tips without any other form of pay IS a stupid decision IMHO.
You said, and I quote,

The point is that to earn anything they have to work hard AND people have to tip. If they work hard and people don’t tip, they don’t get paid (no I don’t count $50 a month as getting paid when they are working 15 hour days, seven days a wei). The pp was saying that waitstaff are stupid to take that risk. That is what I thought was cruel—it is not stupid to count on others to be fair and pay for the service they receive, because most people do.
You may not consider it a base pay and that they don't get pay unless they are tipped (and I'm not arguing that they should not be tipped) however they DO in fact get a base pay even if in your book it doesn't count because its so small. It's still a base pay and we can't say they work for zero unless they get tipped. In many of the countries that are represented in the waitstaff $50 a month could be all they would make in their home country. We can't judge by our standards. BUT they still get a base pay.

Anyways, I'm done with this disagreement. People will or won't tip and the only person I can control is myself and I need to justify it only to me and my waiter/waitress. I know how hard and long this staff works, I know that I can make their time better by tipping and I will continue to do so as long as the service is up to standard, which it usually is.
 
No, Doug720 said, and I quote,


You said, and I quote,


You may not consider it a base pay and that they don't get pay unless they are tipped (and I'm not arguing that they should not be tipped) however they DO in fact get a base pay even if in your book it doesn't count because its so small. It's still a base pay and we can't say they work for zero unless they get tipped. In many of the countries that are represented in the waitstaff $50 a month could be all they would make in their home country. We can't judge by our standards. BUT they still get a base pay.

Anyways, I'm done with this disagreement. People will or won't tip and the only person I can control is myself and I need to justify it only to me and my waiter/waitress. I know how hard and long this staff works, I know that I can make their time better by tipping and I will continue to do so as long as the service is up to standard, which it usually is.
$1.60 a day is next to nothing (yes even in their home countries—it is ignorant to say that is a lot of money where they are from). Calling more than $1.60 a day a “bonus” is absurd. People used to justify slavery along the same lines: saying slaves are so much better off than they would be at home. Nothing is still nothing no matter what country you are in.
 
$1.60 a day is next to nothing (yes even in their home countries—it is ignorant to say that is a lot of money where they are from). Calling more than $1.60 a day a “bonus” is absurd. People used to justify slavery along the same lines: saying slaves are so much better off than they would be at home. Nothing is still nothing no matter what country you are in.
Stop misquoting! Where, in heavens name, did I say that their base pay (base pay) is a lot of money where they are from? I said 'In many of the countries that are represented in the waitstaff $50 a month could be all they would make in their home country'. No where in that statement is anything you are saying, no where! And do not equate anything I have said to saying slaves are so much better off than they would be at home!! That is ignorant! I did not anywhere even indicate that sentence.
While $1.60 a day is next to nothing, as you have said, it is not nothing. It is a base pay period!
You may want to go back and reread your post, it is truly insulting.
 
Stop misquoting! Where, in heavens name, did I say that their base pay (base pay) is a lot of money where they are from? I said 'In many of the countries that are represented in the waitstaff $50 a month could be all they would make in their home country'. No where in that statement is anything you are saying, no where! And do not equate anything I have said to saying slaves are so much better off than they would be at home!! That is ignorant! I did not anywhere even indicate that sentence.
While $1.60 a day is next to nothing, as you have said, it is not nothing. It is a base pay period!
You may want to go back and reread your post, it is truly insulting.
Nope:not paying people for work they do for you when you know that is their pretty much entire source of income is treating them as a slave. Cambodia is one of the countries with the lowest cost of living in the world, and even there, rent for a tiny apartment averages $250 a mont, utilities average $90 a month, and groceries average $200 a month. Where are you getting that people there make $50 a month?
 
And I am not misquoting. I was referring to the post by Doug720 who said “$50 a month is a LOT of money” (the all caps were his)
 
And I am not misquoting. I was referring to the post by Doug720 who said “$50 a month is a LOT of money” (the all caps were his)
Then if you are referring to a post by someone else do not quote me, which is exactly what you did. That in itself makes it a misquote so you actually are misquoting. No where in my post did I put what you are saying Doug720 said so why did you use my posting? What you have done is made it plain that you think I was saying all those things, which again, I find insulting. Keep track of what you want to respond to and this will not happen.
 
Nope:not paying people for work they do for you when you know that is their pretty much entire source of income is treating them as a slave. Cambodia is one of the countries with the lowest cost of living in the world, and even there, rent for a tiny apartment averages $250 a mont, utilities average $90 a month, and groceries average $200 a month. Where are you getting that people there make $50 a month?
And yet again, what are you talking about? Where did I say people in Cambodia make $50 a month? Where?
Try and keep up.
 
And yet again, what are you talking about? Where did I say people in Cambodia make $50 a month? Where?
Try and keep up.

You literally just said:
In many of the countries that are represented in the waitstaff $50 a month could be all they would make in their home country. We can't judge by our standards. BUT they still get a base pay.

You were also defending Doug720 in the post I replied to, you referenced him by name, and I was responding to him as much as you. Hence why I quoted his language about tip being a "bonus."

I'm keeping up fine. You're spending a lot of energy defending people trying to excuse stiffing hard working people on tips based on unsupported claims about cost of living in servers' home countries. I'm sad for you that doing so seems to give you so much satisfaction.

It's funny how on this board we don't permit anyone to discuss circumventing DCL policies, no matter how harmless, but we are okay with people flippantly talking about the "optional" nature of paying people for the work they do.
 
You literally just said:


You were also defending Doug720 in the post I replied to, you referenced him by name, and I was responding to him as much as you. Hence why I quoted his language about tip being a "bonus."

I'm keeping up fine. You're spending a lot of energy defending people trying to excuse stiffing hard working people on tips based on unsupported claims about cost of living in servers' home countries. I'm sad for you that doing so seems to give you so much satisfaction.

It's funny how on this board we don't permit anyone to discuss circumventing DCL policies, no matter how harmless, but we are okay with people flippantly talking about the "optional" nature of paying people for the work they do.

First, I am female.

Second, I clearly stated that I do tip - generally over and above.

Third, I'm truly sorry you've had issues with jobs where you felt you had no choice (you've said that in terms of waiting tables and taking a job that required you to have no time you were not available). Most people do have choices, and those who work on DCL (or anywhere) do make that choice. If they are not happy, they simply do not renew their contract. Since many of them do, the conclusion to draw is that they are happy with the way things are. They are not chained to the cruise line once their contract ends (and if they are really miserable, there are ways they can get out of their contracts). I have never said that things could not be better (talk about misquoting). Obviously things could, and if enough of the crew refused to come back TPTB would have to evaluate things. Having talked with many crew on DCL, Holland, RCCL, and fathom (which the cabin stewards and dining room staff were P&O), getting jobs on the cruise ships is considered very prestigious and the jobs are sought after.
 
One other thing to remember is that in many of the countries of origin of many of the workers (especially in tipped positions), $50 a month is a LOT of money. The tipping (and yes, I DO tip) is a bonus. So it is not as dire as it seems.
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They also receive room and board, which is worth far more than $50/month.
 
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