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[Jason@dvcstore]

BTW, that's 4 examples, LOL. As I noted earlier, there really is an easy way to settle this issue in your mind. Ask DVC WHY they prorate the dues year one of a new purchase or add on when the UY starts after closing and there are no points for the current UY. If they answer that it's because they charge dues on a calendar year basis, see my notes above on your examples, there is no other alternative. If, and only if, they say it's a sales incentive, then you have room for argument.

My 333 BWV points are Dec UY. I will pay one month of the dues associated with the 2009 points for this Dec, then 11 months on those same points in 2010.

Thanks for the math help. I edited my post and gave you credit for finding the error. Hope that makes a few people smile.

I am probably misunderstanding so don't mean to get you aggravated if that is what I am doing.

I do agree that dues are paid on a calendar basis. I do think, however, that dues are paid on a calendar basis regardless of the use year. For example, if everyone paid their dues in one lump sum then Disney wants all that money by February 15th each year regardless of the use year.

 

[Dean]

Thanks for the math help. I edited my post and gave you credit for findingI do agree that dues are paid on a calendar basis. I do think, however, that dues are paid on a calendar basis regardless of the use year. For example, if everyone paid their dues in one lump sum then Disney wants all that money by February 15th each year regardless of the use year.

I do see you're honestly trying to see the point and that's something. You have to forget about each ongoing year of a membership because it doesn't matter in that situation when you pay it or what it's actually for. IF you're paying a full years worth of points next year, it really doesn't matter how they figure it. It only becomes an issue the first year of membership (2 in some cases as above) and the last year or two depending on UY. Ask yourself what would DVC charge if you were buying this contract from Disney directly, btw, they would charge the amounts I listed above in response to your 4 examples with one exception. You can't buy a contract from DVC with points already banked. Then you ask yourself why these amounts, the answer is because they charge on a calendar year basis, not as a sales incentive. Since Disney doesn't sell part years points, you do have to make some adjustments and assumptions in that situation, almost always downward from my responses above. BTW, thanks for using a mid year UY and even number of points, it really gets more confusing if you try to do a UY that starts early or late in the year or use an example with part year points, that comes in dues reimbursement 201.

 

[CarolMN]

Dean - I understand what you are saying. However, I think most people think the way Jason does. If you get the 2009 point allotment, then you pay the dues for calendar year 2009. I would bet that most sales go the way Jason suggests. That would be especially true for those who do not understand use year until well after they buy.

You are merely saying that because Disney charges dues by calendar year and keeps track of the allotment by use year, dues really cover two use years.

For example, if you have an August use year:

2009 calendar dues pay for 7 months of the 2008 allotment and 5 months of the 2009 allotment.

Therefore, a "neutral" position on a resale with 2009 points coming (but no 2008 points) would have the buyer pay 7/12 of the 2009 dues, because they were for the 2008 allotment, which the seller used.

Again, I think that is more complicated than most people (including the sellers) want to get. As you said, if the deal is good, the difference in how the dues are figured probably doesn't really matter. It's all negotiable anyway.

 

[Dean]

Dean - I understand what you are saying. However, I think most people think the way Jason does. If you get the 2009 point allotment, then you pay the dues for calendar year 2009. I would bet that most sales go the way Jason suggests. That would be especailly true for those who do not understand use year until well after they buy.

You are merely saying that because Disney charges dues by calendar year and keeps track of the allotment by use year, dues really cover two use years.

For example, if you have an August use year:

2009 calendar dues pay for 7 months of the 2008 allotment and 5 months of the 2009 allotment.

Therefore, a "neutral" position on a resale with 2009 points coming (but no 2008 points) would have the buyer pay 7/12 of the 2009 dues, because they were for the 2008 allotment, which the seller used.

Again, I think that is more complicated than most people (including the sellers) want to get. As you said, if the deal is good, the difference in how the dues are figured probably doesn't really matter. It's all negotiable anyway.

You've got the information down and I acknowledged the potential complexities. It's fair to word it the way you worded it. However, the "you get the points you pay the dues" is technically incorrect. The next question is of course why do they do it that way when it's technically incorrect for DVC. I't not aware of another points system that charges on a calendar year basis rather than a UY basis, there may be others but I doubt it. This is likely due in part to the fact that essentially every other points system actually base their points on the underlying fixed weeks, or in some cases, a portion of a fixed week. There may be other exceptions but I am not aware of them (not sure about Hilton though).