Time to bring back fast passes!!!

In any case, I do think they would have better luck charging for fast access in a variety of ways like they currently do. I did EMM on our last trip, and I don't mind paying for a special thing one day of the trip. I wouldn't mind paying for FPs on a per-FP basis if the cost was not extraordinary, plus it would be one of those things, if you were paying on the day off, where you wouldn't realize how much you were spending. That's always ideal for the company, lol. If they wanted to charge something like $20-$30 day for a good FP service, I would also pay that, but so would everyone else. I don't know what the answer is, but I'm one of the ones definitely crossing my fingers that it comes back in a not-too-altered format. Just by doing a bit of research, we barely stood in lines on our very first trip. But I also agree it's not fair that you need to do that research in order to really take advantage of it. If we had to stand in multiple hour-long lines though, we for sure wouldn't be trying to go back so soon if ever.
For a family of 4, that is $120 per day and $840 for a week vacation. I don't think that many people are willing to add that to their cost in addition to paying for transportation (since no ME).
 
For a family of 4, that is $120 per day and $840 for a week vacation. I don't think that many people are willing to add that to their cost in addition to paying for transportation (since no ME).
In order for a paid add-on system to work, the packages have to be cost prohibitive. Instead of selling to everyone, at a low price, they sell to some at a higher price. The same amount of money is brought in. Otherwise everyone will see it as a "must do" and nothing will be solved.

Give a set number "included" based on accommodations and then charge for everything else.
 
Pre-pandemic you could only make FP reservations at one park in advance.
That was Disney's precursor to the Park Reservation system. They knew where everyone was going to be for their first 3 FP.

Maybe I'm missing something. Those points in the allears article could make sense, but get tossed out the window when FP lines are in use right now:
DAS
Club 33
Rider Swap
Guest Recovery
VIP
Right, but you could theoretically get them all lined up in the morning and head out to another park, now you have to wait until 2 p.m.? And what if you couldn't get a FP due to limited distribution or got return times for late in the day? People would have to choose between FP or hopping (and if paying for the latter..?)

The FP lines in use are pretty minimal from what I've seen on different trips. My adult DD has a DAS and while she can't ride most of the headliners, she can do FoP, Soarin', MMRR, and Smuggler's and we go through with her on lines, there is hardly anyone in that line. While in standby I've seen people come through FP lines, like Slinky and Splash, but it doesn't hold up the line at all like it did in the FP days.
 
Right, but you could theoretically get them all lined up in the morning and head out to another park, now you have to wait until 2 p.m.? And what if you couldn't get a FP due to limited distribution or got return times for late in the day? People would have to choose between FP or hopping (and if paying for the latter..?)

The FP lines in use are pretty minimal from what I've seen on different trips. My adult DD has a DAS and while she can't ride most of the headliners, she can do FoP, Soarin', MMRR, and Smuggler's and we go through with her on lines, there is hardly anyone in that line. While in standby I've seen people come through FP lines, like Slinky and Splash, but it doesn't hold up the line at all like it did in the FP days.
Valid concerns.

IMO, the new system should be a set number of "anytime" FP depending on level of accommodations. More for on-site, more for Deluxe, more for Club / Grand Villas. Less for off-site / day guests. Tier the FP into "big ticket" and everything else.

Could look like:

Value / Moderate: 2 big / 1 small
Deluxe & DVC: 3 big
Club / GV: 5 big
AP: 2 big / 1 small
Offsite / Day Guest: 1 big / 1 small

Then everything else is paid. Separately or as part of a package. Dynamic pricing like Universal's EP

Post the FP wait times and let everyone decide which ride to use it on and when to use it. Don't like the FP wait time for FOP? Pop over to EE and use it there. Or hop to another park and use it there.

This will result in less FP out there, so SB lines will move quicker. Especially later in the day after people have burned through their included FP.

I understand things will have to get better with capacity / bringing back experiences first, but this is my wish list.
 

For a family of 4, that is $120 per day and $840 for a week vacation. I don't think that many people are willing to add that to their cost in addition to paying for transportation (since no ME).
We drive, so we're not losing anything there, but I understand that will be an extra cost for most. We're a family of three, so it would be on the border of what we'd be willing to pay. But then what does that do to resorts -- drive people to cheaper ones, not more expensive ones, so maybe that's not what they'd want to do. On the other hand, if it would be possible to choose how many days you want to use that, people might pay for a couple days of it at the parks that are most difficult without it. Who knows. I hope it goes back to pre-covid normal, but most people here think there's no chance of that.
 
Pre-COVID people heavily weighed the options of adding Park Hopper. I can't see people willing to shell out top dollars for FPs, especially when they formerly got that benefit for free. There would have to be some massive positive benefit involved to make anyone believe paying was worth it.

We have been back several times since reopening and the lines are usually around an average of 20min less than the posted times. We had 0 problems getting on all rides we wanted to do in any park. When FPs were around we would "game the system" but sometimes we would either have to bite the bullet and stand in an 1 hour+ line or just skip that ride this visit. We haven't had that happen yet since reopening for any ride.

Then again, they stopped giving away Magic Bands for free and it hasn't been a big deal so far so...Truthfully I have more Magic Bands than I will ever use anyway, and I still buy one almost every visit lol
 
If the parks are really at 35% then how much can it matter if on spring break or not? 35% is 35%- waits should stay within this range with some blips here and there.

Probably because the only time WDW hits that 35% threshold right now is during busier times like President’s Day and Spring Break. There’s a reason why a lot of WDW remain closed with no stated plans to reopen anytime soon.
 
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We were there in December when the parks hit capacity...It was still perfectly fine and the lines, while they looked ridiculously long, were still well within the actual waiting time of under an hour regardless of what the posted time may have said.
 
Obviously from reading this thread there are many who say they would never pay for FP since it was free in the past, or for another reason. The thing is, there are many who would pay for FP. I really do believe a pay for FP is coming. Maybe there may be a free one or two if staying onsite.. maybe.
But I think the future FP will will be a pay to play thing, and I don’t think it will be as low as 20-30$ per person per day. I really think it will be more than that and price many people out.
 
Pre-COVID people heavily weighed the options of adding Park Hopper. I can't see people willing to shell out top dollars for FPs, especially when they formerly got that benefit for free. There would have to be some massive positive benefit involved to make anyone believe paying was worth it.

We have been back several times since reopening and the lines are usually around an average of 20min less than the posted times. We had 0 problems getting on all rides we wanted to do in any park. When FPs were around we would "game the system" but sometimes we would either have to bite the bullet and stand in an 1 hour+ line or just skip that ride this visit. We haven't had that happen yet since reopening for any ride.

Then again, they stopped giving away Magic Bands for free and it hasn't been a big deal so far so...Truthfully I have more Magic Bands than I will ever use anyway, and I still buy one almost every visit lol
Disney doesn't care about what the parks are like right now. They know this will pass.

IMO they are going to use this time to revamp the entire expedited ride pass system forever.

Some people will pay for whatever they introduce the same way some people pay for the EPs at Universal. Expedited ride access, again IMO, will be seen as a much more coveted feature than park hopping.

Let's remember Disney charges $100+ pp to give people better viewing spots for a 20 minute firework show. And they consistently sold out.
 
Disney doesn't care about what the parks are like right now. They know this will pass.

IMO they are going to use this time to revamp the entire expedited ride pass system forever.

People will pay for whatever they introduce the same way people pay for the EPs at Universal. Expedited ride access, again IMO, will be seen as a much more coveted feature than park hopping.

Let's remember Disney charges $100+ pp to give people better viewing spots for a 20 minute firework show. And they consistently sold out.
Which is why I said it would have to provide some perceived benefit over the old free system in order to convince people to pay for it.

For example the fireworks parties....For many people paying that extra $100 meant there was no camping out for 3+ hours for the perfect spot or wasting a FP...That was a money well spent to guarantee them fireworks access and some good deserts to boot without sacrificing time in the parks or a FP for a top ride. The fact they sold out was because it was a small capacity anyway. It's like saying Beaches and Cream is "the best restaurant on property" because it's consistently fully booked. When in actuality it's just a very limited space....The food is pretty good too :)

I agree that they will likely have some form of "jump the line program" that will be implemented and cost money. My only point was that it better provide a better benefit than the old free FP system did for people to be jumping on board.
 
Which is why I said it would have to provide some perceived benefit over the old free system in order to convince people to pay for it.

For example the fireworks parties....For many people paying that extra $100 meant there was no camping out for 3+ hours for the perfect spot or wasting a FP...That was a money well spent to guarantee them fireworks access and some good deserts to boot without sacrificing time in the parks or a FP for a top ride. The fact they sold out was because it was a small capacity anyway. It's like saying Beaches and Cream is "the best restaurant on property" because it's consistently fully booked. When in actuality it's just a very limited space....The food is pretty good too :)

I agree that they will likely have some form of "jump the line program" that will be implemented and cost money. My only point was that it better provide a better benefit than the old free FP system did for people to be jumping on board.
If they give out a set number based on accommodations and charge for everything else, FP lines will be shorter due to less being out there. If they give out none and only charge for FP, you could see FP lines that are potentially walk on.

Also, if less FP are in circulation for the day, the SB lines should move better. They will still be long on crowded days, but at least they won't be as stagnant for extended periods of time.

We don't go regularly, so I am in the camp of being willing to pay for convenience when we do.

I completely understand the argument of not wanting to pay an add-on for families who visit regularly. Is it worth it to pay extra to ride something you rode a few months ago? Probably not.
 
If they give out a set number based on accommodations and charge for everything else, FP lines will be shorter due to less being out there. If they give out none and only charge for FP, you could see FP lines that are potentially walk on.

Also, if less FP are in circulation for the day, the SB lines should move better. They will still be long on crowded days, but at least they won't be as stagnant for extended periods of time.

We don't go regularly, so I am in the camp of being willing to pay for convenience when we do.

I completely understand the argument of not wanting to pay an add-on for families who visit regularly. Is it worth it to pay extra to ride something you rode a few months ago? Probably not.
What about families that save up for a trip but that just puts it over the top. Seems like a good solution so long as Disney only wants rich people (or single or double income no kids) who can either afford multiple trips a year or who can splurge on even more add ons. It seems like it is yet another additional price on top of many others that just price out the average and even above average family.
 
What about families that save up for a trip but that just puts it over the top. Seems like a good solution so long as Disney only wants rich people (or single or double income no kids) who can either afford multiple trips a year or who can splurge on even more add ons. It seems like it is yet another additional price on top of many others that just price out the average and even above average family.
If they price it so that it's not seen as a "must do" add-on, it won't impact those families. It won't impact most guests, if priced right. In fact it could cut down on the use of FP lines and make the standby lines move faster (once everything else is opened up and can help eat crowds).

You don't have to get the EP at Universal to have a good time. Most don't get it or stay at a hotel that includes it. It works there. Disney can't do the same thing, but the concept could roughly be the same.

Also, let's not kid ourselves. WDW shifted to wanting the upper incomes a long time ago. Nothing is reasonably priced there.

Take the cartoons off the walls and put any of those "value" hotels outside of a Disney property and they would be $50-75 / night properties. Take the Grand Floridian and put it in on Maui, if it charged the same prices as say the Four Seasons or Grand Wailea, it would sit empty.
 
What about families that save up for a trip but that just puts it over the top. Seems like a good solution so long as Disney only wants rich people (or single or double income no kids) who can either afford multiple trips a year or who can splurge on even more add ons. It seems like it is yet another additional price on top of many others that just price out the average and even above average family.
Why is that Disney’s problem? Disney is in the business to make money...Period.

If we are going to start down that slope it gets mighty slippery, mighty fast...What about all the people that can’t afford a Tesla? Does Tesla only want rich people to save in gas and stop emissions? It’s just not a good reason for Disney not to do something...

Honestly, coming to Disney is a great experience in itself...You don’t have to do and access EVERYTHING!!! I would even say it’s not an argument of unfairness if you can’t...Unfortunately, that’s just life...Its ok that we can’t have all the things some other people can...
 
We really enjoyed our trip in Feb. It was nice to not have to plan everything, except which park for the day (that we could have changed if we wanted to, very easily). Longest lines were 25-35, most were less then 20 and the line moved along. My biggest issue with FP was how the standby line would't move at all for 15 minute.
We enjoy WDW but if they make FP pay to play, we'll most likely be done. We are at our limit for what we feel is "worth" what we pay
 
Why is that Disney’s problem? Disney is in the business to make money...Period.

If we are going to start down that slope it gets mighty slippery, mighty fast...What about all the people that can’t afford a Tesla? Does Tesla only want rich people to save in gas and stop emissions? It’s just not a good reason for Disney not to do something...

Honestly, coming to Disney is a great experience in itself...You don’t have to do and access EVERYTHING!!! I would even say it’s not an argument of unfairness if you can’t...Unfortunately, that’s just life...Its ok that we can’t have all the things some other people can...
True but it's a big change from what Walt was aiming to create- a place for whole families to have fun together. I guess I'm crazy though for missing that aspect but I won't ever change my world perspective to everyone one should make all the money they can and forget about kindness for others.
 
True but it's a big change from what Walt was aiming to create- a place for whole families to have fun together. I guess I'm crazy though for missing that aspect but I won't ever change my world perspective to everyone one should make all the money they can and forget about kindness for others.
Who’s keeping families from having fun? So you’re argument is if you can’t do everything that someone else can do then it isn’t fun at Disney? I just want to be clear in your argument.

Moreover, if you’re suggesting Disney is somehow being “unkind” because they don’t make it possible for EVERYONE to do EVERYTHING they want WHEN they want without paying an enormous price....Then I’ll just have to politely disagree with that position.
 
Who’s keeping families from having fun? So you’re argument is if you can’t do everything that someone else can do then it isn’t fun at Disney? I just want to be clear in your argument.

Moreover, if you’re suggesting Disney is somehow being “unkind” because they don’t make it possible for EVERYONE to do EVERYTHING they want WHEN they want without paying an enormous price....Then I’ll just have to politely disagree with that position.
No, I'm saying my small kids at least (though most small kids is a reality) can't stand in long lines. I've never insisted on doing everything and never have done everything. I've also always been flexible with whens to avoid rides. Regular 20+ minute lines is not realistic for small kids however and the funds a family of 6 to pay for the ability to avoid them is a privilege not many have (especially with all the extra costs lately) Paying the cost of Disney admission only to ride for one hour and be stuck with lines the rest of the day that prevents anymore rides a bit much.
Hopefully if Disney continues to go the money route someone else with motivation and Walt's vision will open a place for families to have fun together without taking out another mortgage.
And to add that we brought my parents when we went and my mom can't stand in long lines anymore either (and she is like many in that generation who will simply not go rather then sacrificing her pride for a wheelchair, especially since she doesn't need one in day to day life)
 













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