Tiers For Fears

jhaig

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Anyone else not too thrilled about the tiering for FP+? Why do we have to choose between Soarin and Test Track? Even under the legacy FP system you were able to get more than one FP for each ride per day, provided you were able to time everything right.

Could some explain the logic behind limiting FP access for headliners? (Not being sarcastic, I just don't know). Is it traffic flow, or trying to increase traffic at the less popular attractions?

If MK is going to be tiered, shouldn't guests get more FP+'s in that park just because of the larger number of rides?
 
I hear ya, I am trying to figure all of this out myself. We like to get multiple FPs for the headline attractions but with this new tier system, I guess we will have to tour a different way.
 
welcome to thread 473,583 about this :D

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Love the title!

They had to tier because there isn't enough capacity for the top rides at Epcot and DHS. So it's a way to spread the FPs around. I know people have written about the numbers using onsite customer estimates and ride capacities, and it makes sense. I'm not happy about it, but it's makes sense. Stinks.
 
Great! Now I can't get that song SHOUT out of my head!! :furious:

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Anyone else not too thrilled about the tiering for FP+? Why do we have to choose between Soarin and Test Track? Even under the legacy FP system you were able to get more than one FP for each ride per day, provided you were able to time everything right. Could some explain the logic behind limiting FP access for headliners? (Not being sarcastic, I just don't know). Is it traffic flow, or trying to increase traffic at the less popular attractions? If MK is going to be tiered, shouldn't guests get more FP+'s in that park just because of the larger number of rides?

Nice throwback title! I wish I had a Crystal ball to see what the future holds. I'm going to guess restrictive use of FP+ and hope that I'm wrong and that once the testing is done, things will be more to my (and some others) liking. I can see some positive aspects of it. I like that I can use them in my afternoon park. I don't like the current limit of 3. Hopefully they'll allow for some same-day FP's, too.
 
Anyone else not too thrilled about the tiering for FP+? Why do we have to choose between Soarin and Test Track? Even under the legacy FP system you were able to get more than one FP for each ride per day, provided you were able to time everything right.

Could some explain the logic behind limiting FP access for headliners? (Not being sarcastic, I just don't know). Is it traffic flow, or trying to increase traffic at the less popular attractions?

If MK is going to be tiered, shouldn't guests get more FP+'s in that park just because of the larger number of rides?

My guess is so that everyone gets a chance at a headliner. If it was 45 days before your reservation and TSM, RnR, Soarin, TT were all sold out, what would you do? Many would just cancel. I'm hoping that eventually they open up more "day of".
 
we've been there 3 times since FP+ started, and twice while the tiering was going on.

Near as I can tell, the whole purpose of both tiering and putting fastpass + on rides that rarely had lines is to create a more balanced crowd throughout the parks. But the way they are doing it is engineered crowd-management for sure. In some cases, they have put in long stand-by queues where they are not needed and having people walk through the long queue even when no one is in line. We saw that at Philharmagic, Muppets, Great Movie Ride, Peter Pan...used to be if no one was actually in the lines, they would move the ropes & poles so that the stand-by skipped all the switch-backs and you more or less walked very directly through. These last two trips (October and early December) they had all the switch-backs incorporated in the lines, and you had to walk through every square inch of possible queue line even though there was no one ahead of us, and no one in the fastpass entrance. Like at Great Movie Ride...walked through all the outside queue line, then through the whole inside...and got to the holding room with the movie clips...it was empty. Completely empty except the castmember at the front podium. So there was absolutely no reason to have you walk all the way through all the outside & inside queue lines...except to make it inconvenient for stand-by. Basically, they made it a lot more work to "do" the stand-by...our impression was they were making the stand-by worse than it needed to be as a way to encourage people to think that the fastpasses are all valuable, even for 2nd and 3rd tier rides. If you'd never been there before, you wouldn't know that they used to shorten those stand-by lines when they were not needed for crowds.Now, all you notice is that the fast-pass line walks directly in, but the stand-by requires 10X the walking, so Gee, next time I'm going to get one of those wonderful fastpasses and skip all this awful walking!

And those FP+ for the 2nd tier rides...our experience at Epcot on a relatively slow morning, at rope drop, was they most definitely are spreading the crowds out by suggesting the need for fastpasses on the lesser attractions. In the "old days", virtually everyone in the the rope-drop lines would head for either Soarin' or Test Track... leaving all the "lesser" rides as virtual walk-ons. This trip, though, here's what we saw: first thing in the morning, Soarin and Test Track were walk-ons of course. BUT 20 minutes after the park opened, both of those rides were up to 40-50 minute stand-by. The odd thing was, so were Journey into Imagination, Spaceship Earth and Nemo/The Seas...all had 30-40 minute posted stand-by (and actual lines, too) We couldn't believe it, the line for Figment coming out of the building and curving around the side on a slow morning at 9:30! We asked the castmember later in the day (when it was again a walk-on) if the ride had been down that morning and she said "No. That's the way it is now, with people booking fastpasses first thing in the morning. Now all the rides get people right away so the stand-by backs up." According to her, that was the way it was supposed to work, spread the people out for a more balanced crowds and lines everywhere...so the "big" rides don't get overloaded while people ignore the other attractions.

The bottom line for us...all this crowd engineering just meant that we did less attractions in the same amount of time on slow days.
 
Love the title! They had to tier because there isn't enough capacity for the top rides at Epcot and DHS. So it's a way to spread the FPs around. I know people have written about the numbers using onsite customer estimates and ride capacities, and it makes sense. I'm not happy about it, but it's makes sense. Stinks.

See, I don't think Disney cares about spreading the Fast Passes around. I think it's a way for them to get people to stay longer/plan more park days, thus spending more money. Yes, Epcot has major headliner capacity problems, but I think that's a different issue than the reason behind the tiering. Of course, that's just a guess on my part, but unless Disney has come right out and said that "spreading the wealth" is their motivation for tiering, I really think they are doing it to make more $.

Agree that no matter what their motivation, it really, really stinks. I know it's a long shot, but maybe it'll go away after the "testing period." I certainly expressed my displeasure with it when I took the post-trip MM+/FP+ survey.
 
See, I don't think Disney cares about spreading the Fast Passes around. I think it's a way for them to get people to stay longer/plan more park days, thus spending more money. Yes, Epcot has major headliner capacity problems, but I think that's a different issue than the reason behind the tiering. Of course, that's just a guess on my part, but unless Disney has come right out and said that "spreading the wealth" is their motivation for tiering, I really think they are doing it to make more $.

Agree that no matter what their motivation, it really, really stinks. I know it's a long shot, but maybe it'll go away after the "testing period." I certainly expressed my displeasure with it when I took the post-trip MM+/FP+ survey.

I agree, I don't think Disney cares about anyone but Disney.

My theory is that the top priority is to make sure that every onsite customer, at every time of the year, can log on to MDE at 60 days out and be able to prebook every headliner at least once...within a week's vacation. For Epcot and DHS, I think they had to tier to ensure that. I think when the Mine Coaster comes on, then we will see tiering at MK, for the same reason.
 
See, I don't think Disney cares about spreading the Fast Passes around. I think it's a way for them to get people to stay longer/plan more park days, thus spending more money. Yes, Epcot has major headliner capacity problems, but I think that's a different issue than the reason behind the tiering. Of course, that's just a guess on my part, but unless Disney has come right out and said that "spreading the wealth" is their motivation for tiering, I really think they are doing it to make more $. Agree that no matter what their motivation, it really, really stinks. I know it's a long shot, but maybe it'll go away after the "testing period." I certainly expressed my displeasure with it when I took the post-trip MM+/FP+ survey.

But would more FP+ allotments (like 5 instead of 3) help or hinder the situation?
 
Well, according to what I just read on another thread, if you play your cards, magic bands, tickets, etc. right, you can ride things multiple times. All over the place.
I didn't reply to that thread because what I wanted to say (not profanity) would have gone over most heads anyway.
Disney has done what many industries try to do with their products -- created a demand where there wasn't any.
Now there are long slow-moving standby lines where they rarely occurred before except during busiest seasons. They want you to want to schedule your FP plus WAY ahead of time so you can be sure of riding your favorite attractions/doing your favorite shows. See, you just didn't know you needed to do that..........
Mind boggling.
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Tiers exist because there is not enough headliner ride capacity to support this system. It is Disney's chosen method of rationing rides...... of everyone getting to settle for less so they don't have to build more rides to fill that deficit.
 
Anyone else not too thrilled about the tiering for FP+? Why do we have to choose between Soarin and Test Track? Even under the legacy FP system you were able to get more than one FP for each ride per day, provided you were able to time everything right.

Could some explain the logic behind limiting FP access for headliners? (Not being sarcastic, I just don't know). Is it traffic flow, or trying to increase traffic at the less popular attractions?

If MK is going to be tiered, shouldn't guests get more FP+'s in that park just because of the larger number of rides?

That is a snappy title.

If you are interested in the math behind the tiers you can look at ride capacities here.

For soarin it us about 12500 FP available per day. For test track about 9500 if it runs all day.

With 35,000 average attendance at Epcot you can see that there isn't enough to give 1/3 of customers both. There is only enough to give 2/3 of the customers 1.

This is why off site guests are getting squeezed right now. Most of the 1/3 left out is coming from off site.

Hollywood studios works about the same.
 
Are EP & HS the only 2 parks on the tiered system where you can only pick 1 FP+ from Group 1, and then 2 additional FP's from everything else? So do MK & AK have a tiered system? If not now, what do you think the crystal ball would say for the future on these 2 parks?

Thanks for help with all of this.
 
Are EP & HS the only 2 parks on the tiered system where you can only pick 1 FP+ from Group 1, and then 2 additional FP's from everything else? So do MK & AK have a tiered system? If not now, what do you think the crystal ball would say for the future on these 2 parks?

Thanks for help with all of this.

As of this writing, yes.

Whether that will change is anyone's guess.
 
Are EP & HS the only 2 parks on the tiered system where you can only pick 1 FP+ from Group 1, and then 2 additional FP's from everything else? So do MK & AK have a tiered system? If not now, what do you think the crystal ball would say for the future on these 2 parks?

Thanks for help with all of this.

My guess is they will tier MK when the new mine coaster is ready. Then I think they will tier AK just to make all three parks the same. Just my guess though.
 


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