Throwaway room (read post #2041 or #2710 before posting)

[Brian Noble]

The question of whether this drives more or less revenue will be easy to see---for Disney. They have all of that data. We can speculate what will result in more or less, but none of us can know, and it won't matter. It either does or it does not.

WDW is currently testing with a few offsite guests, allowing them to pre-book FP+ reservations. If that test becomes a widespread deployment, this issue will go away entirely.

 

[JimmyV]

WDW is currently testing with a few offsite guests, allowing them to pre-book FP+ reservations. If that test becomes a widespread deployment, this issue will go away entirely.

There will always be uber-planners and super users who believe that 60 > 14 (or 30). There is no reason to believe at this point that off-site booking will be as far in advance as on site.

 

[Minniesgal]

But the family camping there (or staying at the Value Resort) is more likely to spend money at the store or one of the restaurants on site. And Disney definitely cares about lost revenue.

And the family who booked it as a throw away to spend time at the parks is probably dining and shopping at the parks no lost revenue

 

[doconeill]

There is no reason to believe at this point that off-site booking will be as far in advance as on site.

Except for the Terms&Conditions of the My Disney Experience web site, that says that MYW and AP holders will get 60 days and doesn't say anything at all about resort stays...and they haven't changed that since it was first published a year ago...

On-site does seem to get a "+X" bonus, however.

 

[ckelly14]

You know, you're absolutely right. I didn't need to use the term ad nauseum, it was kind of nasty. I just wish that people would stop trying to convince each other that they are right, and the other side is wrong. It's up to me to stay out of these repeat threads.

Patty, I think it's ok to be frustrated. I am also looking for actual "throwaway room" information, which has been difficult to come by on this thread!

PS I am actually staying in my "throwaway room", but still like the term....

 

[CanadaJulie]

Patty, I think it's ok to be frustrated. I am also looking for actual "throwaway room" information, which has been difficult to come by on this thread!

PS I am actually staying in my "throwaway room", but still like the term....

I did it last week so if you have any questions, fire away ! No moral quandaries or ethical discussions from me !! I'll answer based on what we were able to do

 

[patty57]

Patty, I think it's ok to be frustrated. I am also looking for actual "throwaway room" information, which has been difficult to come by on this thread!

PS I am actually staying in my "throwaway room", but still like the term....

The funny thing is that the post that you quoted was in a different thread about throwaway rooms. My first post in that thread, said to take the discussion here to avoid another ten page throwaway room fight. It looks like that thread got moved here.
I totally agree that it would be really difficult to find information in this thread with all the bickering that has gone on. My frustration with this thread, and the multiple FP+ threads is that so many are dead set on convincing those who don't agree with them why they are wrong. I wish that would stop. It makes the threads useless as far as getting information.

 

[EMode]

Actually, they are losing. If someone books a site for 1 night (or even worse every other night), and someone is looking to book a week's stay, this site would be unavailable to them because it is not available for the entire week. Thus Disney is losing an entire week's rental PLUS any money they would have spent in the store ect.

As I stated in the other thread, I'm uncomfortable with the whole practice, but booking the campsites is especially rude. It's one thing to book a value room of which there are thousands available. It's a whole other story to book a campsite when there are only 90. I absolutely think Disney will change the rules for camping to prevent this. They ARE losing money.

I think its more probable that that family will adjust its days. If they don't, its probable that another family will. Disney isn't going to lose an entire week, someone will fill the vacancy.

 

[skylizard]

It has been reported that in talking with CM's and in some surveys Disney is aware of this problem and is looking at a way to stop it.

Hopefully soon as real campers need the sites.

AKK

I'm not surprised that they know. I'm sure that they can see that there are a larger amount of one night stays in value resorts and campgrounds. They're not dumb. It'll be obvious to them that people are willing to spend roughly $100-200 on those one night "throwaways" to get onsite benefits. So $100 to get FP+ and maybe EMH. You don't think they'll try to take advantage of that and make more money?
Look at Universal. If you stay onsite you get free express pass. If you're off site you get the option to purchase an express pass for anywhere between $35-99 depending on slow vs busy times.
You don't think Disney would ever do that? They're a business and want to maximize their revenue. If they see that people are willing to pay for perks, it's not crazy to think that they'll start offering that option.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Dan Murphy]

....It looks like that thread got moved here. .......

When they move and combine threads, all of the merged threads and posts get confusing due to the chronological ordering of all the posts.

 

[momtosam]

Patty, I think it's ok to be frustrated. I am also looking for actual "throwaway room" information, which has been difficult to come by on this thread!

PS I am actually staying in my "throwaway room", but still like the term....

Look for my posts ckelly14. I'm in the middle of my booking window now.

 

[Roxy13]

My feelings about this go beyond just saying it's wrong to do, I am being selfish. If everybody gets on the bandwagon with 1 night throwaway rooms, so they can get FP+ then that proportionately reduces the amount of FP+ there will be remaining. I do feel Disney owes it's onsite guests the perk of getting FP 60 days in advance. If this takes off in the wrong direction, it ruins for all of us. Now not only do I have to make reservations 60 days in advance, I'm also competing with offsite guests getting the same perks because they are playing the system to take away from legitimate reservations. I do feel that is wrong.

 

[JimmyV]

Except for the Terms&Conditions of the My Disney Experience web site, that says that MYW and AP holders will get 60 days and doesn't say anything at all about resort stays...and they haven't changed that since it was first published a year ago...

On-site does seem to get a "+X" bonus, however.

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3249319
There isn't anything in here (reading between the lines) that looks like on site = off-site. But we'll see.

 

[doconeill]

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3249319
There isn't anything in here (reading between the lines) that looks like on site = off-site. But we'll see.

I didn't see anything in that release that said anything about the number of days, or whether it will be longer, or shorter, or if they'll be disadvantage - even between the lines. Just that advanced FP+ selections will be available to them, one of these days.

Edit...well...guess what got updated today? The Terms & Conditions!

They are dated 3/12, but it was still the December version posted as of yesterday, so the update lagged. And it now says (they STILL don't allow cut-and-paste):

The selection window for making FastPass+ selections may vary based on the type of admission ticket or pass that you use.

Still doesn't say anything about resort stays though. Weird. But this now looks like the new plan...

 

[momtosam]

Reporting back: the dates ARE rolling and I was able to book FP+ today for 5/13. It still seems to be tied in some way to ADRs. Here are the details of my trip:

I booked throwaway room for 5/11. I was able to book FP+ for 5/11 and 5/12 on Tuesday. 5/13, 5/15, and 5/16 all showed up as well on my screen for booking FP, but I wasn't able to click on the select button for those dates on Tuesday. 5/14 is the only day we do not have an ADR for. On MDE it says that I'm not eligible for FP+ that day. Hence, it still being tied to ADRs as well as room ressies. I have 5 day MYW tickets from UT linked to my account. I fully plan that I'll be able to book the last two days of my trip for FP as the week goes on.

I hope this helps!

Just to clarify, the 14th is not missing from my screen. It is there, but instead of a select button being underneath it, it says, "Your party is ineligible for Fast Pass + selections on this day." It is my only day without an ADR. (We are doing Universal that day so I don't really care ) Every other day of my trip has an ADR tied to it and shows a select button underneath the date. However, I cannot click the select button on days that are more than 60 days out (it rolls). Just trying to be clear because I know so many are trying to deal with this mess of a system!

I would screen shot, but I'm too inept to figure it out.

Update:
My dates continue to roll and I booked FP+ for 5/14 today. MDE still says I am not eligible to book 5/15 -- the only day I don't have an ADR attached to. Tomorrow will be 60 days out on 5/15. I am going to see if that opens up tomorrow. If not, I'll try making an ADR for that day and then see what happens.

 

[patty57]

I didn't see anything in that release that said anything about the number of days, or whether it will be longer, or shorter, or if they'll be disadvantage - even between the lines. Just that advanced FP+ selections will be available to them, one of these days.

Edit...well...guess what got updated today? The Terms & Conditions!

They are dated 3/12, but it was still the December version posted as of yesterday, so the update lagged. And it now says (they STILL don't allow cut-and-paste):



Still doesn't say anything about resort stays though. Weird. But this now looks like the new plan...

Interesting. Definitely wonder about onsite vs offsite and the prebook window.

 

[CanadaJulie]

My feelings about this go beyond just saying it's wrong to do, I am being selfish. If everybody gets on the bandwagon with 1 night throwaway rooms, so they can get FP+ then that proportionately reduces the amount of FP+ there will be remaining. I do feel Disney owes it's onsite guests the perk of getting FP 60 days in advance. If this takes off in the wrong direction, it ruins for all of us. Now not only do I have to make reservations 60 days in advance, I'm also competing with offsite guests getting the same perks because they are playing the system to take away from legitimate reservations. I do feel that is wrong.

You feel that Disney OWES YOU perks ?

Wow...

FP (the old paper system) was never an onsite perk. Why do you think Disney OWES you that now ? The pre-booking was temporarily made an onsite perk due to testing at the resorts first but nowhere did I see Disney stating that this was a perk reserved for onsite guests.

And if a guest PAYS for a room, by definition, they become an onsite guest and can pre-book whether you feel that is "competition" or not. There is no "playing the system". You pay, you get the perks. period.

 

[flatlandcycle]

You feel that Disney OWES YOU perks ?

Wow...

Legally Disney doesn't owe us much, read the fine print.

When I purchased my AP Disney failed to tell me of the things to come, in terms of My Magic Plus. Certainly I was not alerted to the way I would have to change my touring behavior. As a trustworthy vendor they have gone from, about an 8.5, on a scale of 1 - 10, to about a 4. So yes, in many ways they "owe" me an experience similar to what it was when I purchased my Annual Pass. They have not kept their part of the bargain.

 

[CanadaJulie]

Legally Disney doesn't owe us much, read the fine print.

When I purchased my AP Disney failed to tell me of the things to come, in terms of My Magic Plus. Certainly I was not alerted to the way I would have to change my touring behavior. As a trustworthy vendor they have gone from, about an 8.5, on a scale of 1 - 10, to about a 4. So yes, in many ways they "owe" me an experience similar to what it was when I purchased my Annual Pass. They have not kept their part of the bargain.

I agree with you on this. But limiting the AP after purchase has nothing to do with what the PP said about owing *on-site guests* additional perks.

 

[flatlandcycle]

I agree with you on this. But limiting the AP after purchase has nothing to do with what the PP said about owing *on-site guests* additional perks.

Yes, I stand directed