Three Pop Warner Teams expelled from Disney

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Wow. That's pretty harsh. And the irony of such a comment coming from a Patriots fan is almost too much to bear. :rotfl2:
Don't understand your statement about a "comment like this coming from a Patriots fan". Are you saying Patriots fans have a history of causing problems at The All Star Resort @ WDW or is this an out of place comment aimed at the best team in the NFL?

Please explain so we can all have a good chuckle together.
 
Don't understand your comment about a comment like this coming from a Patriots fan. Are you saying Patriots fans have a history of causing problems at The All Star Resort @ WDW or is this an out of place comment aimed at the best team in the NFL?

Please explain so we can all have a good chuckle together.

I'll take a stab at it...

I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because some people out there in our nation don't have video cameras to cheat and I believe that our education like such as in New England and the Boston area everywhere like such as and I believe that theyshould...our cheating by video taping over here in the U.S. should help the U.S...or should help New England and should help the Boston area and the cheating football teams so we will be able to build up our future for our
 
Don't understand your statement about a "comment like this coming from a Patriots fan". Are you saying Patriots fans have a history of causing problems at The All Star Resort @ WDW or is this an out of place comment aimed at the best team in the NFL?

Please explain so we can all have a good chuckle together.

Well, at the risk of belaboring the obvious, I was surprised to see a Patriots fan suggest that the teams in question should forfeit the games they won and be banned "for life" from Pop Warner competition. I wonder if this fan is being intellectually honest and would support similar disciplinary action against his/her team for its offenses, which are more closely related to the outcome of the games they played than these kids' misdeeds. Since this thread involves a debate about the consequences leveled against these Pop Warner teams, I don't see how questioning the motivation behind the other poster's suggestion is any more "out of place" than the suggestion itself.

As for whether the Patriots really are the best team in the NFL, I guess we'll never know. Seems to me their success has been tainted.
 
Maybe the Pop Warner thing should become history. There have been threads about the cost and money raising involved to participate in these programs. Sometimes as adults we are doing too much for our kids. Let them enjoy life at the local level in sports and other activities. Is there too much national recognition for young kids? Just some thoughts.
 

I'll take a stab at it...

I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because some people out there in our nation don't have video cameras to cheat and I believe that our education like such as in New England and the Boston area everywhere like such as and I believe that theyshould...our cheating by video taping over here in the U.S. should help the U.S...or should help New England and should help the Boston area and the cheating football teams so we will be able to build up our future for our

What?
 
Well, at the risk of belaboring the obvious, I was surprised to see a Patriots fan suggest that the teams in question should forfeit the games they won and be banned "for life" from Pop Warner competition. I wonder if this fan is being intellectually honest and would support similar disciplinary action against his/her team for its offenses, which are more closely related to the outcome of the games they played than these kids' misdeeds. Since this thread involves a debate about the consequences leveled against these Pop Warner teams, I don't see how questioning the motivation behind the other poster's suggestion is any more "out of place" than the suggestion itself.

As for whether the Patriots really are the best team in the NFL, I guess we'll never know. Seems to me their success has been tainted.

Watch it, they got rid of the debate boards. They may close this thread down, or remove what they consider threads that are inappropriate for a non-debate type board. It happens all the time around here..........;) Good googamugga!!
 
Watch it, they got rid of the debate boards. They may close this thread down, or remove what they consider threads that are inappropriate for a non-debate type board. It happens all the time around here..........;) Good googamugga!!

Would it really be that big a loss? ;)
 
I think those involved (and their families would have to go with them) should have been removed immediately. No one can expect Disney or police to babysit everyone involved until dawn breaks and everyone else wakes up to leave. It really could have heated up all over again and became even worse.
The teams knew the rules up front and apparently some chose not to mind them.
 
Sorry double post.
Please see below
 
I think those involved (and their families would have to go with them) should have been removed immediately. No one can expect Disney or police to babysit everyone involved until dawn breaks and everyone else wakes up to leave. It really could have heated up all over again and became even worse.
The teams knew the rules up front and apparently some chose not to mind them.

According to a MousePlanet article there were fights that night. The first in the arcade and a 2ed one later that night in Buildings 3 & 6.

Mouseplanet reports:

http://www.mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=wd071217mg

Pop Warner fight redux

We've got a lot more information about the Pop Warner fight at the All-Star Music Resort than we had last week. In the incident, the Westport Patriots of Baltimore got into a fight with the Kahalu'u Hei'eia Broncos of Kailua, Oahu, Hawaii and the Waianae Tigers of Waianae, Oahu, Hawaii.

A Disney cast member familiar with the situation informed MousePlanet that the All-Star Music front desk received a call at around 11:45 p.m. Friday night that there was an altercation at the arcade, and that there were 90-100 teenagers involved in a serious fight. There were reports of adults hitting kids. Three security guards and a security manager responded and broke up the fight after midnight. The Osceola County Sheriff's Office was called and deputies interviewed participants to try to determine how the incident started. Due to conflicting stories, no charges were lodged. All of those involved were sent back to their rooms.

The members of the three teams involved were all disobeying the Pop Warner "quiet hours" curfew that began at 10 p.m., as noted in a Disney information packet sent to all participating teams.

Around 1 a.m. Saturday morning, the fight started again in buildings 3 and 6, with approximately 100-110 people involved. The front desk was called by families not involved with Pop Warner, claiming that it was close to riot conditions and that they wanted to check out immediately to get away from the situation. Sheriff's deputies, along with Disney security staff, stopped the fight again. One boy from the Kahalu'u team had his nose broken and went to the hospital. There were no other reported serious injuries.

Pop Warner football commissioner Sam Mutz and others from the organization were called to the scene. After evaluating the situation, Disney and Pop Warner made a joint decision at around 2:20 a.m. to evict the teams from the resort, rather than ban them from Disney property entirely. With about 140 people in total evicted and 100-110 involved in the fracas, there were perhaps only 30-40 people who had to be woken up when the decision to evict them was made.

The Pop Warner representatives called around to find alternate lodging for the teams, and found space at the Legacy Grand and Holiday Inn. Disney paid for the teams to be transported to their new lodging. They had a fleet of cabs lined up, and the last cab left just before 5 a.m.

The situation was apparently anticipated by the Pop Warner organization, as a packet sent out months ago to participants in the tournament included a memo from Pop Warner Executive Directory Jon C. Butler to all Pop Warner Association, League and Regional officers that warned:
As Pop Warner's events grow and attract more media attention, each of us has a duty to make sure that ALL of the people at those events represent Pop Warner appropriately.
We've had serious behavior problems at past Pop Warner Super Bowls at WALT DISNEY WORLD. This note gives you and your participants, young & old, players & coaches, parents & fans fair warning that such problems have not been tolerated in the past, and certainly will not be tolerated this year. Teams have been disqualified, and, in one case, sent home early at their increased expense.
Every Pop Warner Association is accountable for its players, cheerleaders, coaches, administrators, parents and others from your area at all Regional and National events. Any incidents of unacceptable behavior from any person(s) affiliated in any way with your Association will mean:
A possible immediate ejection from the Pop Warner Super Bowl events and WALT DISNEY WORLD® property. The persons involved risk forfeiting hotel and other deposits. Revised Air reservations/ ticket payments will be your problem, not ours nor Disney's.
Possible lifetime ban from Disney World.
An AUTOMATIC PROHIBITION from all Regional and National events for all teams/squads from that Association for one full season.
Possible suspension and/or probation from coaching or administering within Pop Warner.
Each Association is responsible for those who represent it. So is each League. So is each Region. If repeated problems occur within a particular Association, League or Region, additional measures will be taken.
Pop Warner is a family. Let's all act like it. If our Pop Warner family behaves well, then everyone—whether part of Pop Warner or not—will respect us.

This was echoed in a statement from Walt Disney World spokesman Jacob DiPietre, who said, "This incident was unfortunate but with thousands of Guests at the Resort we have to maintain a safe environment for everyone. We have a no-fighting policy that is shared with Pop Warner. Anyone fighting is subject to disqualification from the competition and eviction from the resort. We were in contact with both law enforcement and Pop Warner throughout the event."

With both sides telling conflicting stories, it's unlikely that the true cause of the fight will come to light. It appears that the altercation started between the Westport and Kahalu'u teams, with the Waianae team coming to the aid of its Hawaiian compatriots. The Westport team had won the Midget Division II Warner Conference title earlier on Friday. The Kahalu'u squad took the Midget Division II Tomlin Conference consolation title on Friday, and the Waianae team was finished on Wednesday, having lost both of its games in the Midget Division I playoffs. The Midget teams were composed of youths approximately 12-15 years of age.

One of the Westport coaches told the Baltimore Sun that he was upset that the fight overshadowed the team's win. "It's unfortunate that it had to happen like this," he said. "It's getting me down. We work hard to keep these kids out of trouble and now this one moment is going to dominate the entire season."

Despite the organization's Web site noting that "Pop Warner is committed to developing America's young people on the field and off," it seems that some coaches still believe off-field behavior takes a back seat to on-field results.
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I have been involved with one of the Hawaii teams for over 25 years and retired from the organization in 2004. I have been to Disney five times and traveled with the teams on numerous other occasions. I am totally embarrassed by the situation, but I wasn't there and don't know all the facts and circumstances. There is no right, but I do know that the coaches, parents and board of directors should have been in control of the situation. This will affect all teams traveling to Disney in the future.
 
I have been involved with one of the Hawaii teams for over 25 years and retired from the organization in 2004. I have been to Disney five times and traveled with the teams on numerous other occasions. I am totally embarrassed by the situation, but I wasn't there and don't know all the facts and circumstances. There is no right, but I do know that the coaches, parents and board of directors should have been in control of the situation. This will affect all teams traveling to Disney in the future.

Given that it happened NINE YEARS ago, I suspect any affect that it, potentially, had, is over.
 
Very rarely does something "good" happen after curfew/midnight, whichever comes first.
 
Angry parents? Where were they when the kids were misbehaving?

1) Many times, the parents are not present, just the chaperons.
2) Disney has warned Pop Warner teams about behavior and damage.
3) In one year, they caused more than $15,000 damage at All Star Sports during the tourney. *
4) That is why ANY incident results in expulsion.

* The reason the allow them to come back is that they pay handsomely for the fields, PLUS, they must stay ion-site or they cannot compete.
 
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