This makes me sick......

[MsLeFever]

Honestly, to me, the press release by the school smacks of self-promotion. Seriously, was anyone associating the school she went to before this statement was made?

ITA! "Oh please - don't associate us with that gay cowboy movie - I mean it! Do NOT associate us - the SANTA FE CHRISTIAN SCHOOL - with the movie" I'm surprised they didn't include their phone number. Idiots.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

Of course not. Not yet - He just made the statement.

Yet you presume that this will happen. You may need to practice more before renewing your Psychic Friends license.

Ever see the movie "Boys Don't Cry"? Why don't you ask that poor kid's parents how they felt about their son being neaten to deakt because he was gay, and then try telling me that predjudice doesn't lead to violence.

I haven't told you that prejudice doesn't lead to violence. I asked about Mr. Hopson's specific comments and whether you had any evidence that those comments precipitated any violence (except your call to have someone punch Mr. Hopson in the head). You've indicated there is no evidence of violence caused by this statement. Your reference to a movie is irrelevant to this discussion.

 

[boomhauer]

I haven't told you that prejudice doesn't lead to violence. I asked about Mr. Hopson's specific comments and whether you had any evidence that those comments precipitated any violence (except your call to have someone punch Mr. Hopson in the head).

Yet you condone his right to make the predjudice statements nonetheless, even though you are, pardon the expression, crucifying me for "condoning" (which I really don't) violence.

 

[dis ms.]

I guess sleeping around is okay---but portraying the spouse of someone who had an affair (let alone homosexual relationship) is not.

Ummm....okay.

Let it be known the school was okay with the (portrayed) sleeping around.

That was my first thought, too! Why wasn't the school all up in arms about her Dawson's Creek character? Her Brokeback character was a very decent person--not like the Slutty McTrashypants she played on DC.

For that matter, why would the school criticize her for portraying a fictional character in a fictional movie, but say nothing about her getting knocked up by--and shacking up with--Heath Ledger before marriage?

IMHO, the whole disowning a former student is all talk--stupid talk at that. It's not as if they can take away her diploma. And I seriously doubt Ms. Williams cares.

 

[declansdad]

And the first thing that I associate an actor with is the school they went to.


This guy needs to get a grip. He is obviously looking for publicity.

 

[Crankyshank]

I'm sorry but I'm having trouble grasping the correlation between a Christian school looking for publicity by publically disassociating themselves from an alum and a transgender being beaten to death?

 

[boomhauer]

I'm sorry but I'm having trouble grasping the correlation between a Christian school looking for publicity by publically disassociating themselves from an alum and a transgender being beaten to death?

Really isn't any. The thread kind of went in another direction. I was trying to say that I believe predjudice leads to violence.

However, I have to admit - I'm being somewhat hypocritical myself. Though the whole "smack him upside the head" remark was taken a bit out of context, I can't knock someone for claiming they don't condone predjudice that leads to violence but condones freedom of speach that contains predjudice, when I, say that I don't condone predjudice, but seem to condone violence. Not fair on my part. So for that, I apologize. Truthfully, regardless of how it came off, I really don't condone violence. I said something sort of half-jokingly, and then felt the need to defend myself against something I actually don't believe in in the first place.

OK - I'll stop rambling now.

 

[Beth76]

No more interesting than your logic....Violence is wrong, but predjudice isn't, simply because it's an opinion as opposed to an action.

Actually there is nothing wrong with that logic. You can not prevent a person's opinion or prejudice. People have every right not to like homosexuals as a group. It's when they act on that dislike or hatred that the problems start. And I don't mean publishing a statement that they don't like them--that's fine. I mean when they start telling people not to watch the movie. Or threatening companies to remove the movie from theatres to "protect" the general public.

 

[Maleficent13]

I'm sorry but I'm having trouble grasping the correlation between a Christian school looking for publicity by publically disassociating themselves from an alum and a transgender being beaten to death?

I'm not sure what you're asking, but what some of us think is that prior to this headmaster publishing his public disassociation with Williams, no one knew she even went to that school, let alone associated her roles with the school.

The headmaster is taking this opportunity to get his name and the name of his school in the news, probably hoping to up admissions, etc. IMO, at least.

 

[boomhauer]

Actually there is nothing wrong with that logic. You can not prevent a person's opinion or prejudice. People have every right not to like homosexuals as a group. It's when they act on that dislike or hatred that the problems start. And I don't mean publishing a statement that they don't like them--that's fine. I mean when they start telling people not to watch the movie. Or threatening companies to remove the movie from theatres to "protect" the general public.

Yeah - I see what you're saying. But it's a fine line, wouldn't you say? I mean, to me, someone says something like this for 1 of 2 reasons:

1.As others have said - For attention.
2.To start a fire without actually lighting the match - So to speak.

There's no doubt. I'm VERY sensitive to the issue of minority predjudice. I'm Jewish, and in my school I was harassed on an almost daily basis because of my religion. I find any discrimintaing remarks against any race, religion or sex to be VERY ignorant and offensive.

 

[cardaway]

I wonder if those folks know "Brokeback" wasn't even her first homesexual role

http://imdb.com/title/tt0206036/

 

[boomhauer]

I wonder if those folks know "Brokeback" wasn't even her first homesexual role

http://imdb.com/title/tt0206036/

Ironic timing that he made the comments the same weekend that all of the talk is about "Brokeback Mountain" - Oscar weekend.

 

[bcvillastwo]

One definition of the word "opinion"

a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty

http://www.onelook.com/?w=opinion&ls=a

Boomhauer I've seen Boomhauer on TV and for the record -- you are no Boomhouer.

 

[boomhauer]

Boomhauer I've seen Boomhauer on TV and for the record -- you are no Boomhouer.

Ummmm....OK.

Meaning?

I'll be the first to admit, I am not from Texas and I'm not a cartoon character. Other than that, I don't think I follow.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

Yet you condone his right to make the predjudice statements nonetheless, even though you are, pardon the expression, crucifying me for "condoning" (which I really don't) violence.

Again, you misunderstand. I support the right of free speech, even speech that I may vehemently disagree with as long as that speech is within the legal boundaries. Mr. Hopson's statement is well within the legal boundaries, therefore, I wholeheartedly support his right to say what he said. I may not like it, but he is allowed to say it.

Just as you are free to say whatever you want to say as long as it is within legal boundaries. However, suggesting that someone act in a violent manner toward another individual for their opinion is not (JMO) valid free speech.

Once again you need to climb down from your cross as the wood can be put to better use.

 

[boomhauer]

I am opinionated, independent-minded, self-righteous and contumacious. Deal with it.

OK - I will.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

OK - I will.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

So would it be okay for me to give him a big ole dope smack for being a self-aggrandizing jerk or are we completely non-violent on this thread?


eta: by "him" I mean the smart guy running the school>

 

[Beth76]

I find any discrimintaing remarks against any race, religion or sex to be VERY ignorant and offensive.

That's fine and you should. But, you also have to take into consideration the person who's saying the discriminating remark. Do you really care what they think? Are they worth anything to you?

 

[andromedaslove]

The world would be a lot better place if religious nuts of all flavors would simply keep their nonsense to themselves and let people live as they chose without trying to make them conform to some ignorant religious code.

ITA!! As I sat here reading this thread I was wondering, why this school feels it needed to make this statement to begin with. I raise my children in the belief that if you don't have something nice to say then to keep their mouths shut. Just because you feel a certain way doesn't mean it actually needs to be said.