This makes me sick......

[Bob Slydell]

How does me liking Leave It To Beaver cause you, or anyone else harm?

How does this school's position cause you, or anyone else, harm?

 

[boomhauer]

I loved Leave It To Beaver. I hate people who KNOW THEY ARE RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG.

If you're referring to me, you couldn't be further off-base, as I hate people like that too.

And nowehere, did I enforce I was anymore that type of person than T_G did.

 

[boomhauer]

How does this school's position cause you, or anyone else, harm?

It's predjudice against homosexuals. The most blatant reason for violence is predjudice.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

btw, boomhauer, not to speak for T_M but I don't think he believes that all opinions are right. In fact, I KNOW he doesn't. He is, however, an vehement advocate for freedom of speech, as am I.

Mal, feel free to speak for me anytime! You said it perfectly!

I don't agree with Mr. Hopson, BTW, but I refuse to prevent him from expressing his opinions. And I certainly don't condone recommending violence as a reasonable response to an opinion.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

I guess I'm not then.

It seems VERY hypocritical to me to be against violence, but for freedom of speech that promotes violence.

But that's just me.

His opinion in no way, shape or form promotes violence. Maybe in some wierd twisted way you can see violent overtones in Mr. Hopson's opinion, but I suspect you are one of the few that do. Which is to say, you are doing a good job of

 

[Bob Slydell]

It's predjudice against homosexuals. The most blatant reason for violence is predjudice.

But it's not harming anyone (well, at least up to the point where you start smacking them across the head).

I don't agree with their position, but it's their position and they're free to state it. All it's going to do is harm them in the long run (e.g. their most famous alumnus is now never going to have anything to do with them anymore), but it's their choice.

 

[boomhauer]

His opinion in no way, shape or form promotes violence. Maybe in some wierd twisted way you can see violent overtones in Mr. Hopson's opinion, but I suspect you are one of the few that do.

You're right - Predjudice against minority groups NEVER leads to violence.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

You're right - Predjudice against minority groups NEVER leads to violence.

Mr. Hopson is expressing his religious beliefs based on his understanding of the Bible. Whatever happened to freedom of religion? Does he get punched in the head for having that right, too?

 

[boomhauer]

But it's not harming anyone (well, at least up to the point where you start smacking them across the head).

Sorry - I don't agree with predjudice in any way shape or form. It DOES cause damage - To the group being discriminated against.

Have any Jewish friends? Ask them what it's like to walk down the hallway of their school, and find a swastika painted on their locker. Ask them if it harmed them.

 

[Bob Slydell]

How is Michelle Williams being discriminated against?

 

[Tigger_Magic]

Sorry - I don't agree with predjudice in any way shape or form. It DOES cause damage - To the group being discriminated against.

Interesting logic... prejudice is wrong, but violence is ok.

 

[boomhauer]

Mr. Hopson is expressing his religious beliefs based on his understanding of the Bible. Whatever happened to freedom of religion? Does he get punched in the head for having that right, too?

Of course not. And I'm not arguing where his opinion is coming from. I'm simply saying, statements like the ones he made, lead to violence. If you can't take it, don't dish it.

 

[boomhauer]

Interesting logic... prejudice is wrong, but violence is ok.

No more interesting than your logic....Violence is wrong, but predjudice isn't, simply because it's an opinion as opposed to an action.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

Of course not. And I'm not arguing where his opinion is coming from. I'm simply saying, statements like the ones he made, lead to violence. If you can't take it, don't dish it.

Got evidence that his statement has led to or promoted any violence -- I mean apart from your clarion call to punch Mr. Hopson in his head?

 

[Maleficent13]

Sorry - I don't agree with predjudice in any way shape or form. It DOES cause damage - To the group being discriminated against.

Have any Jewish friends? Ask them what it's like to walk down the hallway of their school, and find a swastika painted on their locker. Ask them if it harmed them.

So, if this is your opinion, work to eliminate prejudice...but may I suggest that smacking all the people you disagree with upside the head is probably not the best way to try.

If you have a problem with ignorant people, then EDUCATE them.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

No more interesting than your logic....Violence is wrong, but predjudice isn't, simply because it's an opinion as opposed to an action.

Please point out on this thread or any thread where I have said "prejudice is not wrong." I don't believe that religious beliefs constitute prejudice. Some Christians are able to accept the person without accepting/approving of that individual's lifestyle. Sorry you are unable to comprehend that distinction.

 

[boomhauer]

Got evidence that his statement has led to or promoted any violence -- I mean apart from your clarion call to punch Mr. Hopson in his head?

Of course not. Not yet - He just made the statement.

Ever see the movie "Boys Don't Cry"? Why don't you ask that poor kid's parents how they felt about their son being beaten to death because he was gay, and then try telling me that predjudice doesn't lead to violence.

 

[boomhauer]

I don't believe that religious beliefs constitute prejudice.

And this is simply where you and I must just agree to disagree, as it's the root of our differences.

 

[boomhauer]

So, if this is your opinion, work to eliminate prejudice...but may I suggest that smacking all the people you disagree with upside the head is probably not the best way to try.

If you have a problem with ignorant people, then EDUCATE them.

Now THAT I can agree with.

 

[wvrevy]

You can only educate someone that wants to be educated, Mal. People that hold this kind of prejudice are generally just willfully ignorant. They have no interest in learning any better, simply because they couch their ignorance in religious nonsense...and we all know that as long as it's disguised as religion, they are allowed to hold just about any ignorant, racist, prejudiced opinion they want and the bastions of free speech will defend their right to hold that opinion.

This is a tough one for me, simply because I usually consider myself as a defender of freedom of speech. On the other hand, Boom is right in that prejudice does lead to an environment where violence is a possibility. View someone as doing something wrong - particularly if what they are doing is against your own, personal, religious fantasies - and it becomes easier to view them as somehow less than worthy of respect.

The world would be a lot better place if religious nuts of all flavors would simply keep their nonsense to themselves and let people live as they chose without trying to make them conform to some ignorant religious code.