This is just so sad,,and makes me ask WHY would someone do this?? I don't call it 'playing'??

[mummabear]

agree, Disney was more negligent. I was honestly shocked by the people that didn't think so and blamed the parents. I thought from the beginning, they needed to find some way to make it visually appealing but keep people out of the water there.

Honestly all they needed was signs to say danger alligators not no swimming.

For some reason, he couldn't tell the window was open. Perhaps there is someway to make it more visually obvious that windows are open and which ones.

That is what he said, it is entirely possible he is covering his ***.
I just dont believe it.
From a distance, sure. But standing right there, less than an arms length from it, physically stopped and standing in front of it, I am not buying it.
I haven't read anywhere from any who had been on the ship that they have been confused by the windows.

 

[mummabear]

I already said no.

And again, it doesn't matter. I didn't say I couldn't tell the window was open. HE did.

It really does not make a whit of difference whether I can tell the windows are open or you can tell or if everyone in this thread can tell. What matters is what the gf said and if the investigation finds it to be possible and the court finds that the cruise line could be liable or the cruise line thinks they could be liable and settles.

So we better let everyone out of jail who says they are innocent because no one lies ever.....

 

[luvsJack]

So we better let everyone out of jail who says they are innocent because no one lies ever.....

Seriously? Not even remotely half way close to the same thing. And you well know it.

 

[laceltris3]

It really does not make a whit of difference whether I can tell the windows are open or you can tell or if everyone in this thread can tell. What matters is what the gf said and if the investigation finds it to be possible and the court finds that the cruise line could be liable or the cruise line thinks they could be liable and settles.

It actually does matter whether everyone else could see the window was open. If the parents sued RCCL, RCCL could file a claim against the grandfather for contributory negligence. Then the question would literally be whether his actions were reasonable. Whether a reasonable person could see the window and would put a baby on the railing. Then there might be evidence of visual impairment by the grandfather, and then the question, were his actions reasonable for someone who is visually impaired.

I don't think anyone really believes the grandfather intended to harm the child. but his subjective belief is not going to be the issue. The investigation is driven by the video tape that is available. We don't know what the grandfather said to authorities on the day of the incident, or if he changed his story. We do know that he refused to be interviewed later, probably on the advice of his counsel that it is better to say nothing than to make a statement inconsistent with what is on the tapes.

 

[luvsJack]

Honestly all they needed was signs to say danger alligators not no swimming.


That is what he said, it is entirely possible he is covering his ***.
I just dont believe it.
From a distance, sure. But standing right there, less than an arms length from it, physically stopped and standing in front of it, I am not buying it.
I haven't read anywhere from any who had been on the ship that they have been confused by the windows.

And yet, that isn't all they did.


I just have a hard time believing that a man that just watched his granddaughter fall to her death had the ability to think to cover his ***.

Like I said, I have no idea what happened and won't claim to as some do. I wasn't there. Maybe it all happened so fast, maybe he was distracted, maybe he had sand in his eyes. I don't know.

For some unknown reason, that is what he said and his children (daughter and son in law?) believe him.

 

[luvsJack]

It actually does matter whether everyone else could see the window was open. If the parents sued RCCL, RCCL could file a claim against the grandfather for contributory negligence. Then the question would literally be whether his actions were reasonable. Whether a reasonable person could see the window and would put a baby on the railing. Then there might be evidence of visual impairment by the grandfather, and then the question, were his actions reasonable for someone who is visually impaired.

I don't think anyone really believes the grandfather intended to harm the child. but his subjective belief is not going to be the issue. The investigation is driven by the video tape that is available. We don't know what the grandfather said to authorities on the day of the incident, or if he changed his story. We do know that he refused to be interviewed later, probably on the advice of his counsel that it is better to say nothing than to make a statement inconsistent with what is on the tapes.

No we don't know. and we weren't there so we don't know exactly what happened.

Do you seriously think its going to go that far? If RCCL thinks he has a chance of winning a law suit or even filing a law suit, chances are they will settle. We will still be arguing this and we still will not know anything for sure.

 

[kdonnel]

Here is another accident that luckily only ended up with a broken hand.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-u...dler-s-dramatic-trip-on-luggage-conveyor-belt
Parents really need to pay close attention to their kids because the entire world is not kid safe.

 

[kdonnel]

If RCCL thinks he has a chance of winning a law suit or even filing a law suit, chances are they will settle.

Odds are RCCL will settle because 95% of lawsuits settle.

https://thelawdictionary.org/articl...me-statistics-on-personal-injury-settlements/
90% of the 5% that do go to trial end up with the plaintiff being awarded a win by the jury.

 

[lifesavacation]

Odds are RCCL will settle because 95% of lawsuits settle.

https://thelawdictionary.org/articl...me-statistics-on-personal-injury-settlements/
90% of the 5% that do go to trial end up with the plaintiff being awarded a win by the jury.

I definitely believe they will settle soon. I think the parents said the lawsuit will be filed by the end of the month. They are likely in negotiations with the insurance company right now. We haven't heard anything from either the lawyer or the family since the Today interview so who knows what is happening behind the scenes. Also, RCCL carries insurance and it's not like a settlement will hit them in the pocketbook. I doubt it would cost them much at all to settle.

 

[kaytieeldr]

(do some of you honestly think that in that moment after the death of this child, he made sure to say something that set them up for a lawsuit???)

Absolutely not, and I'm not sure we're reading the same thread. Nobody has even implied that.

so the next logical thing would be to have SOMETHING that alerts someone from a distance that certain windows are opened.

Tinted windows. The existing tinted windows.

Continuing to repeat yourselves about

Pot, meet kettle.

It actually does matter whether everyone else could see the window was open

Exactly. As @laceltris3 stated, what matters is what a reasonable person could be expected to know.

 

[fly girl]

Here is another accident that luckily only ended up with a broken hand.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-u...dler-s-dramatic-trip-on-luggage-conveyor-belt
Parents really need to pay close attention to their kids because the entire world is not kid safe.

Hope the mother won’t sue, but you know certain lawyers are swarming her like bees to honey!

 

[tzolkin]

I just have a hard time believing that a man that just watched his granddaughter fall to her death had the ability to think to cover his ***.

I honestly have no idea what happened or what amount of blame to place on the man. I feel very sorry for him regardless of how the incident transpired.

That said, I have no difficulty believing this. I certainly don’t think that he was thinking legally about covering his *** or being deliberately calculating, so I do agree with you there. But, I think it’s human nature to go to either one of two extremes when something horrible happens— either you believe that it’s completely your fault (sometimes even when it’s not) and that there must have been something you could have done to prevent it OR you automatically start getting defensive because the weight of the responsibility is too much.

I think many people fall to the latter and would instantly be looking for any excuse that alleviated their guilt. (Not legally but emotionally).

Especially in this situation. It would have been unbearably difficult to face his daughter and explain how her baby died under his care. Even if he knew it was his fault, it would have been much easier to cry “I’m so sorry, I didn’t know the window was open” than to say “it’s my fault, I did something incredibly stupid”.

 

[tnolan]

I read that he put her down near a railing in a play area, and the girl turned to lean on what should have been a closed window (all the other panes in the play area were closed), and went out. The question is, why was there an open window in a play area for children?

 

[Floridaman999]

I keep seeing, in this thread, instance after instance of what that attorney hoped to accomplish with the TV interview. They spread their narrative, whether it be true or not, and people just seem to believe it just because. Scary how easy it seems to be for them to accomplish.

 

[lifesavacation]

I read that he put her down near a railing in a play area, and the girl turned to lean on what should have been a closed window (all the other panes in the play area were closed), and went out. The question is, why was there an open window in a play area for children?

He didn't put her down near a railing. He lifted her up and stood her on a safety railing and then let go of her near an open window. The windows are meant to be opened for ventilation on the pool deck.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I read that he put her down near a railing in a play area, and the girl turned to lean on what should have been a closed window (all the other panes in the play area were closed), and went out. The question is, why was there an open window in a play area for children?

 

[Pea-n-Me]

The "moaning and groaning" is because we don't see a practical/reasonable change. If someone can come up with one, I'll say "I didn't think of that". Until that happens, I don't think there is a change to be made and change for change sake usually doesn't do any good.

Bungee cords? Duct tape? Velcro?

 

[fly girl]

I read that he put her down near a railing in a play area, and the girl turned to lean on what should have been a closed window (all the other panes in the play area were closed), and went out. The question is, why was there an open window in a play area for children?

Oh no! And here we are again.

It was NOT in the child's play area. The incident occurred on the Pool Deck which has a kids splash zone. The splash zone was at least 30+ feet away. It happened in an area that has lounge chairs and tables. And he didn't put her near a railing. From what the grandfather said, he put her ON the railing which is 4 feet off the ground and has a 6 inch gap from the window.

 

[Searc]

I read that he put her down near a railing in a play area, and the girl turned to lean on what should have been a closed window (all the other panes in the play area were closed), and went out. The question is, why was there an open window in a play area for children?

Read the thread. None of what you read is true.

 

[Summer2018]

Here is another accident that luckily only ended up with a broken hand.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-u...dler-s-dramatic-trip-on-luggage-conveyor-belt
Parents really need to pay close attention to their kids because the entire world is not kid safe.

Exactly.

When my daughter was two, she was quite a handful. She could run really fast, so she was either in a stroller or I held her on my hip. As she got older, she would stay with me if I held her hand.

Every day I witness careless parents who don’t pay attention to their children. As a teacher and mother, I become so angry. Just the other day, DD and I were at the beach using the bathroom. A mother told her 5 kids to wait outside alone for her. The oldest looked about 7. DD took it upon herself to wait to use the bathroom and stood outside with the kids because she (not their mom) was concerned something would happen to them. Once the lady was done, then DD came into the bathroom. Same day we went into the bank and the woman parked next to us left her kids alone in the car. The oldest, about 10, looked afraid. We waited by the car until she came out and then went in the bank.
Both of these mothers were oblivious to the dangers they put their children in, as well as the adults who chose to watch over their kids for them.

It takes just a second for something bad to happen. People need to be more aware and attentive.