this is 2nd grade math???

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just for fun (volume - music)

 

[cteddiesgirl]

I just had to crack up at this. I have a 6th grader (I've given up on her math and to think I took College Algebra in HS and passed with an A) and a 3rd grader.

The way they "carry the one" here is so bizarre I can't handle it. I am forever going "why are you doing it THAT way?" Seems like they are making it more work for themselves.

Then again, I got my DD in trouble in 2nd grade math because I taught her a shortcut for timed math tests and she told me after she took the test that way she was told not to do that. She basically got in a small bit of trouble. She was so mad (at me for suggesting it) as this is my child that likes to conform

I was always taught on any timed tests, you go and do the problems you KNOW off the top of your head without thinking first and then go back and fill in the ones you can't just spit out instantly. Apparently that's not the correct way to do math timed tests anymore - you have to go in rows...so she would end up with complete rows undone since she ran out of time, get really low scores yet if she did it the way I taught her she would have easily passed.

Oh well, I'm always getting them in trouble somehow at school for doing such things. Oops!

I just send them to dad for math help now.

Personally, I never did get the whole "show your work" concept. They make it out to be that if your brain doesn't work the way they want it to, then you're wrong.

Some people's brains deal with problems in different ways.
"Oops! You didn't come up with the answer in the right way so you fail"
But I know the answers, just not how to get there the way you want me to get there!

I just don't get the point of it as long as the end result is the same?
No matter how you slice and dice it, 1+1=2.

And I was taught the way you were. Do what you know first then go back and do the other.
How can they judge what a child actually knows and what they don't know by not letting them do what they know first? Wouldn't it give them a wrong answer to their problem?

 

[poohandwendy]

The problem is some of that education may be gone by the time they are teens. I was in a Quiznos over the weekend. My food was $6.42 and I gave the girl a $1 off coupon. She says $2.33. I said, that can't be right. She said it was right. Then it hits her when she goes to give me the change. She looks at the display and says she took off a free sandwich instead of $1. So it took off $4.09. She calls over another teen and they are both studying it. I said well, the difference is $3.09, so give me the change and I'll give you $3.09 back. She says "I need a calculator...". They finally took my word for it and took the $3.09. Meanwhile, my sandwich was getting cold......

LOL, I was at a grocery store and their machine can 'write' your checks for you. My total was something like $12.49 and I wanted $20 cash back (a perk they offer). The clerk actually asked me (after a few seconds of pondering), how much she should tell the register to write the check for...20 plus 12 equals 32...I kind of felt bad for her, hoping it was a brain fart or something.

 

[Papa Deuce]

Ok. Partial-sums algorithm is when you add the numbers in each column and then add the columns together. IE:35 + 79

3+7 = 10
5+9 = 014
= 114

OK, I follow. Now explain to me how this has relavance to anyone, let alone a 2nd grade child.

And why is 5+9 = 014, and not just 14?

 

[MouseWorshipin]

what ever happened to just adding?

It is old fashioned. Don't you know the schools have to be new and exciting? They are also proactive and empower children. And dynamic.

 

[scoutsmom99]

I'm glad I'm not in 2nd grade. What the heck happend to good old addition?

 

[Papa Deuce]

It is old fashioned. Don't you know the schools have to be new and exciting? They are also proactive and empower children. And dynamic.

Seems like they also want to create jobs as tutors for all the teachers that can't get full time jobs.

 

[Free4Life11]

I'm still confused. Why do you put it in columns? Don't they teach kids how to carry the one anymore? That's how I learned and I am 20.

I don't why they have to make it so complicated.

 

[Free4Life11]

All these new ways of doing math are HOGWASH. I went to a college prep high school in Chicago that adopted an "integrated math" approach. It was a JOKE! I learned NOTHING and despite being a very bright student, tested into remedial algebra when I came to college! Luckily I've learned a lot since then, but it's no wonder so many kids can't count out correct change or add in their brains. I just wish they would stop coming out with new methods every few years and just stick to the basics!

 

[aprilgail2]

I'm still confused. Why do you put it in columns? Don't they teach kids how to carry the one anymore? That's how I learned and I am 20.

I don't why they have to make it so complicated.

Boy will my daughter have trouble next year if thats how they do it in 2nd grade here!! She can add 3 digit numbers like
589
+798
-----
1387
carrying that one etc....
but I showed her the way I learned it...not that other crazy way! I also taught her to mulitply the way that I learned. She loves math and wanted to do something more challenging than what the school was doing this year and she picked it up pretty quick but that other way may confuse her now!

 

[Cindy B]

Wait until 3rd grade....

My daughter was doing slope intercept and ordered pairs (algebra II) as part of a 3rd grade math unit.

My son in 5th grade has been doing pretty much straight Algebra I (9th gade) the whole school year.

 

[HERSEY]

Welcome to my world. Alex's math skills have mostly exceeded me I almost cann't help him in 5th grade math without his hardbound math book. The theory behind partial sums is that they learn it quicker and retain it better. This was developed by chicago teachers if I remember right. Meanwhile we parents think we are not going to graduate 2nd grade! Let me know Alex is now a pro. They will need this skill to go on to multiplication a division I don't want to scare you. I was starting to think I was going to have to go to summer school .

 

[rbuzzotta]

Seems like they also want to create jobs as tutors for all the teachers that can't get full time jobs.

I agree. My 2nd grader is doing this Everyday Math program too. Luckily my 4th grader totally understands it!! My 9th grader hasn't a clue because they did not teach her that way!!

I have a hard time helping my girls with their math even though I have the parent letter that comes at the beginning of every unit!!

 

[allicat]

My DD has used the Everyday Math program since third grade and she is now in fifth. I have no idea how she comes up with some of her answers.Its almost as if they are taught another way to think about math with this program.She just finished doing beginning algebra. The thing I hate about this program is that the concepts jump around-you will see something one day and then not again for 2 weeks!
I worked in a school district where they used this program and found that almost all the teachers didnt follow the program correctly(playing the games etc)DD doesnt do any of the math games in her class either.It is an important part of this program but there arent enough hours in the schol day for teachers to incorporate.
OP-wait until your kid starts multiplying using "lattice multiplication" I still dont get it!

 

[mickeyfan2]

35 + 79

I think they mean to do it this way.

35
79
---
14
10
---
114

You add each column and then add the answer.

 

[suzannen]

I absolutely HATE the way they teach math now. I was always good in math and DH graduated with an MBA in finance, and we just shake our heads when DD shows us how the teachers "require them to do the problems." Her math textbooks are not much help since they give limited explanations and examples.

Thankfully, someone on another thread on the DIS recommended the book Math on Call: A Mathematics Handbook by Andrew Kaplan. It covers math from 3rd grade to 10th grade and has made it so we can finally help her with her homework again and her grades have really improved. A big thank you to whoever that was!

What was wrong with the way we learned it?

 

[iluvdisnee]

Yes this is second grade math! My girls are both in 2nd (twins). I am freaked out by some of the stuff they are doing with these kids! I feel Like I need to go to school to help them with some of this stuff! Is it me or is society growing our kids up MUCH MUCH faster?

 

[Mkaz]

Pennsylvania has the Everyday Math too. We spoke to the teachers numerous times because DD was just not getting it. Their answer to us was, "Don't worry, she will get it sooner or later." We asked them what happens if she doesn't get it until much later. Their answer, "Well don't worry about it now, just wait and see!"

Our son started Kindergarten this year and it's even worse. They are doing things that our daughter didn't even do until second grade. DH and I have had enough. We decided it was time to take back our children and educate them at home next year. It's obvious that all they care about is pushing kids to the edge in order to satisfy their own agenda. I'll hop down off my soapbox now.

 

[INDISMOM]

Yes, this is what my 2nd grader is learning too! Luckily she has a WONDERFUL teacher. Her teacher sends home a paper at the beginning of the week to explain what they are doing in math (is has examples thank goodness!)-- she has to educate the parents! You should see DH and I running around the house looking for that paper when DD gets out her math homework!

I asked her teacher about adding the "normal" way and she said unfortunately for the ISTEP (Indiana standardized testing) the kids have to know partial sums.

 

[Brianne]

Math homework makes me cringe. Granted, it was never my strong subject anyway, but my DS in 5th grade has had homework that I swear I wasn't doing until mid-high school! Thank goodness my kids know not to ask mom for math homework help!

And don't get me started on reading/spelling homework. I think the way they're teaching those subjects now is for the birds.