There has to be more to the story...

[jtba]

I looked up some of the dates. I'm still having a hard time putting 2 and 2 together just based on the itinerary. I'll look more when I get on my laptop. The Fantasy departed as posted above on the 25th. She was in PR on the 29th. As far as I can tell she never went to St Maarten that trip. At least according to the port schedule I was looking at. She was in on the 8th of April and didn't go back until May. Again I'll look more on my laptop as my phone is acting up on top of my fat fingers. Just for giggle I looked and if the same site is cirrect, the Carnival Fantasy was in Miami either. I'll look some more and see if I can figure out both itins. There's also a 3rd Fantasy ship I could find so I'm starting to wonder (no pun intended) if they either are getting the itins wrong or wrong Fantasy.

that would be hilarious if the newspaper mistook the carnival fantasy for the disney fantasy. someone above did say the article even got the alleged victim's last name wrong. o.0

having said that, according to Disney Cruise Blog's itineraries page, there's this:

7-Night Eastern Caribbean Cruise on Disney Fantasy – Itinerary C from Port Canaveral, FL
Port Canaveral, FL • At Sea • At Sea • St. Maarten • San Juan, Puerto Rico • At Sea • Disney’s Castaway Cay

• 1/3, 1/17, 1/31, 2/14, 2/28, 3/14, 3/28*, 4/11, 4/25, 5/9

 

[PrincessShmoo]

that would be hilarious if the newspaper mistook the carnival fantasy for the disney fantasy. someone above did say the article even got the alleged victim's last name wrong. o.0

having said that, according to Disney Cruise Blog's itineraries page, there's this:

7-Night Eastern Caribbean Cruise on Disney Fantasy – Itinerary C from Port Canaveral, FL
Port Canaveral, FL • At Sea • At Sea • St. Maarten • San Juan, Puerto Rico • At Sea • Disney’s Castaway Cay

• 1/3, 1/17, 1/31, 2/14, 2/28, 3/14, 3/28*, 4/11, 4/25, 5/9

Well, OK, there you go. Our victim boarded on Apr 25, had his injury on Apr 26 (formal night), had to wait two more days before the first port (St Maarten) with PR being the next day. I'd hazard a guess that the man was offered medivac, but didn't have insurance and couldn't have paid for it, so opted out. Of course, not realizing that any delay would mean the thumb couldn't be reattached.

Now that he's home, he's probably found a lawyer that feels that Disney has deep pockets and wants the guy's medical costs, as well as Pain & Suffering, covered.

Of course, that's just my take on it. I can't believe that the doctor onboard didn't know about it. And, the Fantasy didn't depart out of Miami.

 

[sweetpee_1993]

Well, OK, there you go. Our victim boarded on Apr 25, had his injury on Apr 26 (formal night), had to wait two more days before the first port (St Maarten) with PR being the next day. I'd hazard a guess that the man was offered medivac, but didn't have insurance and couldn't have paid for it, so opted out. Of course, not realizing that any delay would mean the thumb couldn't be reattached.

Now that he's home, he's probably found a lawyer that feels that Disney has deep pockets and wants the guy's medical costs, as well as Pain & Suffering, covered.

Of course, that's just my take on it. I can't believe that the doctor onboard didn't know about it. And, the Fantasy didn't depart out of Miami.

This. This is what I'm thinking exactly.

Sorry, thumbs being amputated is not a daily occurrence. Even out of morbid curiosity all medical personnel onboard would've known.

 

[truck1]

Well, OK, there you go. Our victim boarded on Apr 25, had his injury on Apr 26 (formal night), had to wait two more days before the first port (St Maarten) with PR being the next day. I'd hazard a guess that the man was offered medivac, but didn't have insurance and couldn't have paid for it, so opted out. Of course, not realizing that any delay would mean the thumb couldn't be reattached.

Now that he's home, he's probably found a lawyer that feels that Disney has deep pockets and wants the guy's medical costs, as well as Pain & Suffering, covered.

Of course, that's just my take on it. I can't believe that the doctor onboard didn't know about it. And, the Fantasy didn't depart out of Miami.

Timing is off a little bit. If his story is correct, he boarded the 25th, had his incident on the 26th say 5ish for early dinner, he would have had about a 36 hour wait for the ship to make port, as the 27th would be the 2nd full sea day.

that would be hilarious if the newspaper mistook the carnival fantasy for the disney fantasy. someone above did say the article even got the alleged victim's last name wrong. o.0

having said that, according to Disney Cruise Blog's itineraries page, there's this:

7-Night Eastern Caribbean Cruise on Disney Fantasy – Itinerary C from Port Canaveral, FL
Port Canaveral, FL • At Sea • At Sea • St. Maarten • San Juan, Puerto Rico • At Sea • Disney’s Castaway Cay

• 1/3, 1/17, 1/31, 2/14, 2/28, 3/14, 3/28*, 4/11, 4/25, 5/9

Something is not adding up big time.
According to the port schedule that I was looking at, Fantasy never went to St Maarten, and none of the Fantasy named ships were in Miami on the dates in question. I'm almost wondering if the Fantasy went to St Thomas instead of St Maarten for some odd reason. Time for a little more research as a thought just occurred to me.

 

[Billinaz]

If you have the verandah door open and then open the stateroom door, yes, you could probably sever a finger. However, the signs on the verandah door say to keep closed. So I don't see where the guy has a lawsuit in terms of negligence on Disney's part.

Even if the guy was totally at fault, the lawsuit gets filed because the lawyer is working on a contingency and the deep pockets of the Disney Company are an easy target. Even if the suit has no merit, the settlement out of court to nake it go away is what these slimy lawyers depend on. Then the cost of everything for us goes up.

Sad fact of life in the good old USA.

 

[truck1]

So try this on for size.

Our friend gets ready for dinner. Thumb gets stuck in door frame for whatever the reason. Lets say for arguments sake, that it wasn't severed, but severly broken. Goes to HS. (Maybe he even doesn't, not knowing) Heres some pain meds. Go to your room. He comes back. They call the Capt. He needs to be somewhere else. Ship diverts to St Thomas in stead of the scheduled St Maarten. He gets off and surprise, no one can help. Same thing in PR. He gets off the ship in PC. Flys home. Surprise, his thumb is too badly damaged so they amputate due to nerve loss/blood loss etc. Everything is lost in the translation to English. Still a hole or 2 but a lot more plausible then this guy walking around for 6 nights, missing a finger, and trying to stop the blood flow. Second night at sea, there still close enough to several places to either fly him to or stop at to droop him off.

 

[PrincessShmoo]

So try this on for size.

Our friend gets ready for dinner. Thumb gets stuck in door frame for whatever the reason. Lets say for arguments sake, that it wasn't severed, but severly broken. Goes to HS. (Maybe he even doesn't, not knowing) Heres some pain meds. Go to your room. He comes back. They call the Capt. He needs to be somewhere else. Ship diverts to St Thomas in stead of the scheduled St Maarten. He gets off and surprise, no one can help. Same thing in PR. He gets off the ship in PC. Flys home. Surprise, his thumb is too badly damaged so they amputate due to nerve loss/blood loss etc. Everything is lost in the translation to English. Still a hole or 2 but a lot more plausible then this guy walking around for 6 nights, missing a finger, and trying to stop the blood flow. Second night at sea, there still close enough to several places to either fly him to or stop at to droop him off.

You're so good. Seems to patch many of the holes in the original story. But, I still think he's trying to get more than he's entitled to, if he's even entitled to anything.

 

[truck1]

You're so good. Seems to patch many of the holes in the original story. But, I still think he's trying to get more than he's entitled to, if he's even entitled to anything.

Absolutely hes trying to get more then what he deserved. Its fast becoming the American way. Something doesn't go right, call Dewey Cheetum and Howe, or Schyster Schyster and Loophole.

 

[PrincessShmoo]

Absolutely hes trying to get more then what he deserved. Its fast becoming the American way. Something doesn't go right, call Dewey Cheetum and Howe, or Schyster Schyster and Loophole.

Although, I was thinking more along the lines of another lawyer who has his own cruise law website.

 

[truck1]

Although, I was thinking more along the lines of another lawyer who has his own cruise law website.

I do what I can with the material available. Could be him but, Id think theres a language barrier.

 

[CesD]

Aren't all of the doors metal? Ouch

 

[PrincessShmoo]

Aren't all of the doors metal? Ouch

Yes, they're metal, and fairly thick. But, if I recall correctly, the corners are somewhat rounded, not sharp. The only time we've had a door slam on us was when my husband opened the verandah door just after I came back to the room. Generally, the door has to be pushed (from the inside) or pulled (from the outside) to close far enough to latch.

 

[pontikes67]

I read the argument. Not a lot of details other than right thumb "amputated" but no details of the severity as they use "amputate" whether it was the tip or the whole thing.

I'll post the document but didn't know if I was allowed to because it's a federal case. Where's Jack Bergen

 

[MaleficentRN]

So try this on for size.

Our friend gets ready for dinner. Thumb gets stuck in door frame for whatever the reason. Lets say for arguments sake, that it wasn't severed, but severly broken. Goes to HS. (Maybe he even doesn't, not knowing) Heres some pain meds. Go to your room. He comes back. They call the Capt. He needs to be somewhere else. Ship diverts to St Thomas in stead of the scheduled St Maarten. He gets off and surprise, no one can help. Same thing in PR. He gets off the ship in PC. Flys home. Surprise, his thumb is too badly damaged so they amputate due to nerve loss/blood loss etc. Everything is lost in the translation to English. Still a hole or 2 but a lot more plausible then this guy walking around for 6 nights, missing a finger, and trying to stop the blood flow. Second night at sea, there still close enough to several places to either fly him to or stop at to droop him off.

The thumb was fully amputated. The story says the nurse put in on ice. And there are trauma centers in San Juan, PR. If they could not, for some reason, care for him, the hospital could arrange to have sent him to a hospital in Miami.

 

[truck1]

The thumb was fully amputated. The story says the nurse put in on ice. And there are trauma centers in San Juan, PR. If they could not, for some reason, care for him, the hospital could arrange to have sent him to a hospital in Miami.

The initally story I saw did not mention that. I still find it really suspicious that this happened the 2nd night of the cruise, where he easily could have been sent to shore, and not wait 3 days to get to PR. Something is not adding up no matter how you look at it. Even the itinerary he says he was on is wrong.


Eta: I looked at a few more online versions of his story and they all don't mention ice or finger removal. Only amputation, Disney failure to use safe doors....... no time frames or itins. Disney's lawyers should have a field day with this one.

 

[bumbershoot]

Oh I know the date of my accident! March 10, 1979. My mom calls me every March 10th. She was a very young mother so I guess it made a huge impression.

I'm really sorry about your brother.

My brother never apologized or even said "sorry". Even as a 9 year old he took no responsibility for it at all, saying "I just let go" and it was my fault for using my right hand to move my robes away from the door frame while closing the door with my left. As an 11 year old, with a brother who took no responsibility for things he was a part of, that was a problem that kind of still irks me. It sounds like our brothers were very different from each other.

I especially don't remember the date b/c I don't have the reminder system that you do; my mom passed at 55, when I was 30, so...the one person that would have remembered it isn't there. Family is like an external hard drive; sometimes you just don't think you need to remember something b/c someone else will!

But I can remember sitting there, I can remember snippets of the ER, I remember the orthopedic surgeon who smacked me on the butt flirtatiously on my last appointment (if it hadn't been the last my mom would have gone nuts on him...see my age), I learned to write and type left handed that summer, I didn't understand what "sleep with your arm above your heart" meant, my nail still grows in wonky and I was the only pre-teen and young teen who could feel the weather changes coming... I just don't remember the date.

I think she had to sue him in order for his car insurance to cover the doctor's bills since they did not have any health insurance.

Sounds right. Weird, of course, but right.

 

[DL1957]

One interesting point while DCL is owned by Walt Disney Company it is not a US company but rather British and while I am not at all a legal expert the second point is the incident did not happen in US waters so different laws apply.

 

[pontikes67]

One interesting point while DCL is owned by Walt Disney Company it is not a US company but rather British and while I am not at all a legal expert the second point is the incident did not happen in US waters so different laws apply.

the lawsuit states that while Magical Cruises LLC is a company formed in England that the parent does primary business in Mid central Florida and that because the port it originated from was domestic that the venue would be correct. I have no idea if that is legit; they filed a federal suit.

 

[Tigger1313]

After reading that, it really makes me mad, really Disney needs to tell you that the doors are dangerous? give me a break, plus can this be thrown out since they have the wrong port?
details just do not add up,

 

[truck1]

One interesting point while DCL is owned by Walt Disney Company it is not a US company but rather British and while I am not at all a legal expert the second point is the incident did not happen in US waters so different laws apply.

It's a Disney business unit. Same thing as Pixar and Disney Movie Studios. It's done deliberately by major corporations to limit liability, so if something happens in one area, it doesn't affect another. Similar to how Shanghai Disney is draining the cash reserves of the existing parks, which are cutting budgets to compensate.