TheNeverEndingPTR! Sept2010...no, November...WAIT! January?Ugh. maybe September 2011!

Nope, you can't talk me into POP, Janine! :p We stayed at Pop on our first visit and loved it, but I was determined to stay somewhere different this time. I LOVE the value theming though, it makes me feel more like we're at WDW, so Music was an easy choice for us with the family suites! Too bad they aren't finishing POP, they could put family suites over there on the other side of the lake. I wonder if they will ever finish those???? :confused3

NOTE TO SELF!! Ann reminded me that we need to do something about MNSSHP bags. Last year we had forgotten that not only are the bags small, but they are open at the top with no closure and I was worried on a couple rides that the candy was going to fly out! :p Anyway, I want to make or purchase bags that are a little bigger, canvas maybe, for the party for us!
 
So, for dining, if I were you, seeing how you really want to do some TS meals, I would probably upgrade to the DDP. The price of the OOP meals, should be coming up pretty darn close.
I decided to just stick with the QSDP that we were offered for free. We'll have the mugs and plenty of food, and we did enjoy it in May. And like you said, won't have set times for being at a meal.

As for your plans being god only knows where. I think planning this far out we all know how you feel. We went back and forth with flying and driving. What resort to stay at. Should we try to upgrade to DDP or stick with QSDP. Add waterpark and more option or not...... And because nothing needs to be finalized this early on we keep going back and forth :headache:

I'm really trying not to stress out, try not to. We have plenty of time to plan if things keep changing.

I do think we are going to end up driving to this year. My kids prefer it, they are actually getting very excited about it. We're going to have a lot of road games planned. Plus I really like the fact that we'll have our truck there and on the days when we want to be in the park until close or get there at opening we won't be standing on a crowded bus with kids, strollers and mugs that are leaking :rolleyes1
 
Pam, I think what bothers me most is not being able to decide. I'm a planner, but for me it's all about the END plan. I HATE being not sure or not knowing what I'm going to do. All is right in the world when I have the plan SET, even if it changes, I can roll with that, but this not-sure stuff is driving me bonkers!

I think what is bothering me most is that it's supposed to be FREE dining, ya know? Either way, we are going to have to pay more to get what we want. 600$ out of pocket for 4 TS meals OR about the same for more TS meals but less CS and Snacks for the same price after you add in the tips, mugs, and upgrade. AND we are locked into meals and less flexible. Grumble...

I'll figure it out, but I'm not going to be happy until I do! :lmao:
 
AND, just when I feel like I'm comfortable with the decision (I was almost there with the QSDP this morning), then I talk to Rey. :sad2:

He says that he thought we were going to do all the TS restaurants this trip so that the next time (when we are offsite) we will know our favorites, etc. and can eat at CS places to save. :confused3

This makes sense, BUT, there will only be 2 meals added that he hasn't been to. In fact, 4 out of the 7 TS places we would go to, we have already been to! 5 for Savannah & I. The only new places would be Park Fare, Chef's, and Boma (for him & the boys). Everything else we've gone to and they are favorites and yes it will be fun to go back, but I'm just concerned there won't be enough CS or Snacks if we upgrade and then we will pay even MORE for those extra things. Where's the pulling your hair out smiley????? :scared:
 

Nope, you can't talk me into POP, Janine! :p We stayed at Pop on our first visit and loved it, but I was determined to stay somewhere different this time. I LOVE the value theming though, it makes me feel more like we're at WDW, so Music was an easy choice for us with the family suites! Too bad they aren't finishing POP, they could put family suites over there on the other side of the lake. I wonder if they will ever finish those???? :confused3

NOTE TO SELF!! Ann reminded me that we need to do something about MNSSHP bags. Last year we had forgotten that not only are the bags small, but they are open at the top with no closure and I was worried on a couple rides that the candy was going to fly out! :p Anyway, I want to make or purchase bags that are a little bigger, canvas maybe, for the party for us!


Bummer!!!!!! Oh well, at least I tried right :thumbsup2? You guys seem like a fun family and will have a great time wherever you go. I totally understand about staying somewhere new each time. That is what we are doing this time. I have been to WDW probably about 6 or 7 times since I was a child. I took Bill and Austin for the first time in 2008 (we stayed at ASMo-loved it). I went on a girls trip in June 2009 and stayed at POP for the first time- and I think Austin and Bill will love it. Bill said last time that he thinks we should try a new place each time- I am slowly bringing him around to the magic of disney :wizard:!!!!!


You will find a solution to your dining dilemma, and it will be a great one!!! Notice in my PTR we are having the great park hopper debate- so see it happens to us all!
 

Monday, September 27-
-DHS rope drop (Hope)
-CS(5) breakfast ASMU
-S(1)at DHS
- BOAT straight to:
-TS (OOP) Biergarten late lunch 2pm (before 3pm so it's lunch!)
-back to resort for evening
-CS(6) dinner at ASMU/or pizza
-(Spectro/Wishes if we can't see it previous night)



So, first, I'm caught up and enjoying your PTR. I like you coming by to ramble. :)

Secondly, I thought you were wanting to be sure to do Biergarten for dinner since Rey was there for 2 hours? So how did it get to be a lunch reservation? Onto the next issue...

:laughing: We are contagious to each other!

So, a new issue has arisen that I will have to find a solution to. A few months ago when I was mentioning flying, Dylan joked about how he didn't want to fly. Or maybe it wasn't joking???

We were talking the other day and he flat out said he didn't want to fly. He's afraid of heights and does NOT want to get on a plane. :confused: Dylan is turning 16 this summer, but he's an unusual 16 year old. He doesn't care much what other people think, he's VERY headstrong, but not afraid to tell people what he's afraid of. He did NOT like most of the rides at WDW b/c of the g-force and drops. He won't even go on Pirates again b/c of the drop and hates TT. Soarin was the only thing he didn't mind.

Anywho...there have been a couple times in the past where he was scared of doing something and just FLAT OUT REFUSED to do it. No coaxing, threatening, or rationalizing would work. If you tell him he will be grounded, he says, "Ok, ground me.". Also, these situations are always spur of the moment. We get there and BAM, he won't get out of the car, etc.

This terrifies me b/c what if we get to the airport and he refuses to get on the plane??? I can't drag him, he's a big boy, and it would ruin the whole trip if this happened. I can talk to him for the next 8 months, but there is NOTHING to ensure that he won't panic and refuse at the last minute. We have talked about phobias and I am hoping to have him look up some info on fear of flying, but I have to have some alternatives.

Here is what I've come up with: We buy the tickets, we talk about it, I talk to my mom privately (she is driving us to the airport) and arrage with her that IF the worst happens and he freaks, he can just go home with her and stay with her for the week. :sad2: This is not optimal b/c we not only will have spent money on his tickets and airfare, but it won't be the same without him. This is our first family trip with Eli and just US. I'm sure we would have fun still and he would be fine with my mom, but it would be a cloud over the whole trip.

The second option I presented to Rey and he's thinking about it. It would cost the same amount of money to use their airfare money (Rey's and Dylans) and have them leave the day before and drive. Rey is a truck driver, so the distance (17 hours...that's not including stops) wouldn't bother him, they could sleep with the seats reclined, AND, a bonus would be that we would have a car onsite. No more fretting about being at the mercy of the buses. It would also make packing and bringing stuff easier. We can't ALL drive b/c although we would fit, it would be MISERABLE with 3 teens side-by-side and Savannah cramped in the back. There is also the issue that we couldn't get just 1 motel room b/c there are 6 of us and we would have 2 more days of food for 6 people during this drive. We spent SO much money driving last trip that I realized it would be about the same amount to fly.

Ugh. Anyway, I have a friend that told me I just need to tell him to face his fear and basically "be a man" about it, but I don't think it's just about that. I have adult friends that have fear of flying and it is a REAL fear them. I'm not sure he'll be able to do it. AND, what if he does get on the plane and we have turbulence or something and then on the trip back he refuses to get on??? Then what??? :eek:

I feel that I have a unique perspective on this issue. Maybe I don't, but I feel like I do. :lmao: Anyway, I'm a (recovering) scared, very scared, very :scared1: flyer.... and a mental health counselor. And I've worked with kids, so on top of that, I think I might be able to help a bit. So that's why I think I have a unique perspective; not only do I know how it feels to be terrified, but I know what I should be saying to myself to keep me from royally freaking out. So a bit about my fears: I don't mind take-off and landing, but I used to really, really, REALLY hate the actual being-up-in-the-air part. It seems very unnatural to me that a several thousand ton tin cylinder can hurtle through open space with trajectory and accuracy in landing. Again, :scared1:!

Anyway, I say "recovering" because I've flown about 14 times now, and ironically enough, it got worse. The irrational fear of "this will probably be the time I die" got stronger over time. And I was usually more nervous on the flight home, thinking, "Yeah, wouldn't this be the luck. We just had our amazing time, and I die right after it."

Some of my friends and family all gave me the whole "don't you realize it's safer to fly than to drive?" bit, but that didn't help. I don't know that I actually thought about it at all, but once I did, that made sense. Here are a variety of the tips I used to help me fly:
A) The biggest reason I'm doing better with this is all the prayers I've offered. The Lord is really helping me. If you aren't people of faith, there are still things you can do (I do these things, too, and they help, but the praying has been the biggest thing to help this change for me).

1) I started telling myself, "Jen, there are planes in the air right now. Thousands of people all over the world. It's tomorrow in Japan, during the day, and they are flying and having no issues."
2) I made a list of every single person I could think of that I personally knew who had flown. Fortunately for me, I know some people who fly often. I've been to California, Guatemala, Puerto Rico, and Orlando. I have an aunt from Iran, a friend from India, my best friend's husband's dad was a missionary in Papua New Guinea growing up so they flew back and forth from the states every couple of years, my sister has flown to Japan, Scotland, Amsterdam, and Vancouver for business, our secretary at work flew to Singapore and Italy, my boss flew to Argentina, my coworker flew to Hong Kong.... you get the idea. I had that list in my carryon so that, as we flew, I could read it and realize that these people flew much farther than the distance between Ohio (where I live) and where I'm headed (Orlando).
3) My secretary's nephew is a flight attendant. He says that, in 20 years of flying, he has NEVER had an experience where he thought the plane was going down.
4) I look to the flight attendants for comfort. They don't have to know I'm doing it, so I don't feel silly. If they are walking around, we're fine. If they have the drink cart out, we are DEFINITELY fine. If they don't react with nervousness at the bumps and jostles along the flight, they are minor.
5) I remember that, if I were driving, the bump I just felt would feel normal, like driving over a pothole. So it feels funky now because I'm 37,000 feet in the air. But this is actually safer because we hit an air pocket. Air cannot hurt metal. Air cannot make metal plummet to the earth. Air is air... harmless.
6) The pilots don't want to die.
7) The pilots and flight attendants do this every single stinkin' day. This is their job. Flying is as normal to them as my talking to a client about past trauma is for me. That would be terrifying to some people; to me, it's normal and enjoyable. This is their every day job, and this is not a scary or unsafe every day job. Being a cop is, or being someone who works on wind turbines is, but not flying. If it were unsafe, they wouldn't do it. My sister always says the government cares about its citizens (debatable at times, maybe :)). But the FAA and the airlines do NOT want lawsuits, so if they send a flight in bad conditions or in a plane in less-than-tip-top-shape, they are exposing themselves to HUGE fines, bankruptcy, lawsuits, and even jail. So they don't do that, obviously. :) They only send flights when it's completely safe to do so.
8) (These are more mental health-y tips.) When we get anxious, our heart rate increases, our BP rises, our mind races, our face gets flushed, we tense our muscles, etc. These are all normal physiological reactions, but they actually HEIGHTEN the sense of anxiety. The more we are tense in our bodies, the more we notice that we are tense. And the more we notice our tension, the more we remember WHY we are tense. So doing some progressive muscle relaxation will help. Start with the top of the head and move down to the feet, relaxing each muscle group in succession. As you do this, focus on breathing - breathe in for 4 counts, hold for 2-4, and breathe out for 4. This evens the breathing, which increases blood flow to the cells, decreases heart rate, BP, and racing thoughts. It helps the body know what you mean when you tell it to relax.
9) When we feel anxious, we generally fight it. Fighting it feeds it. Counselors who treat anxiety will (hopefully :)) tell you NOT to fight it. Instead, if you can tell yourself something like this, you'll be better off: "Yes, I feel nervous. It's normal to feel nervous; I don't fly every day. But feeling nervous does not mean I have to stay nervous. I can think about something else. This doesn't make me weak or a bad person; in fact, I'm strong for realizing this. Now I know I have a choice and don't have to be a victim of my fears!" Then focus in on a thought that's really pleasurable, preferably that incorporates all of the senses. The more senses we involve in a memory, the more our brains focus on that memory because senses occupy different parts of the brain, so we're asking the whole brain to work together. A memory that you can recall the smells, sights, feel, taste, or sounds of is great.
10) Try to delay looking at the watch. Doing some time-delay can help. "I can wait 5 more minutes before looking at my watch." If he can't wait 5, wait 3. You get my point. Putting it off helps you focus less on it and gives your brian a chance to be distracted in the meantime.

In general, I'd say this is good for him to "face his fear" in the sense that this will be a huge confidence boost for him if he can do it. I recently had to fly to Phoenix for a work conference, but I found out when my flight landed in Denver for the layover that the conference had been cancelled! Talk about :scared1::scared1::scared1:! So I got on a flight back to Dayton that night, and basically me, a petrified flyer, took a completely pointless flight! It's pretty comical, and a God-thing as far as I'm concerned. But I was flying solo, into bad weather - all my fears. But I did it! And I'm so confident that I can handle future flying that I'm almost looking forward to it! Very new feeling for me. I bet Dylan would have a similar experience. He should not force himself, and you are wise not to either, but he's assuming he'll be terrified, when maybe he'll love it. At the same time, if he can avoid letting his fears do all the talking, I think he'll learn that his rational mind is more powerful than his emotional mind in this area, and that's a powerful weapon against fear. He's reacting to the future as if he knows what it will hold (very common in teenagers), so if he can give himself the freedom to think it might be better than his expectation, that will help.

Last but not least - no one but the PTR writer has business writing posts this long, so I'm sorry - I read a thread recently about a free flying video. It's given by a social worker/pilot. It's pretty good. If he'll watch it, it could really help. I didn't realize planes had 5 back-ups for things - pretty amazing!!! Here's the link: http://www.fearofflying.com/.

I hope this helps. I hope he makes a choice that he is at peace with; I think it'd be cool to see him fly and find some victory over this fear, but I empathize that he might not be ready. If he is, I think some of the tips above could really help.

Whew. And I'm done... finally. Sorry again!
 
Jen, I think you just broke the record for length of reply on my PTR! :cool1:

Thank you SO MUCH for typing that all out! Lots of stuff to think about and I appreciate the link. I'm going to see if he will watch it. Once he gets an idea in his head, it's hard for him to change his mind, but it's definitely worth trying! It's interesting some of the self-talk you do, I have done many of the same things! I never had a fear as a child and flew quite a bit, but as I have gotten older, it has begun to bother me. I wonder if he has picked up on any of that? I don't talk about it, but he's very intuitive.

Rey is almost positive he will drive now, he sounded like he wanted the car with us and didn't want to be at the mercy of the buses. He was talking about snack credits as well and saving them up to take a ton of stuff back for the ride home.

Oh and Biergarten in the afternoon...
First and foremost, it's about 80$ more to have dinner there vs lunch, so that was a factor. I mainly wanted to go on a NON-Epcot day more than anything, so that we could enjoy the meal without me thinking about what we were missing at Epcot. So, that's why I planned it this way. We will do a 1/2 day basically at DHS b/c we will have our GAD FPs and many of the shows we saw we are not wanting to see again. Then we will be able to go to Biergarten and spend as much time as we want. We don't have plans that evening and although I left a CS open for dinner, it will be a late lunch and I have no idea if we will even need it!

The great QSDP and DDP debate is still raging in my head. I found a way to fit the 7TS into our itinerary, but to be honest, after having all those CS and S credits on the QSDP, it doesn't seem like much food with the DDP when you take them all out??? We would have to eat breakfast in the room every day with DDP but with QSDP there are so many CS that we can eat some breakfasts in the food court if we want. BUT, we would only get 4 TS instead of 7 with QSDP paying out of pocket, and I'm having a hard time choosing which ones. If I wanted to try different things, I would choose places we haven't gone, but I can't seem to give up Tusker House and we all want to go to Biergarten. Park Fare is the only new place and it seems silly to go to Crystal Palace just to get in the park before RD. I may just have to deal with the hoards at RD. The other place I would love would be Chef's of France or Boma (for everyone else to experience, Savannah & I loved it) but Boma is super expensive and Chef's is as well, really.

I WILL figure this out, I'm driving myself crazy at this point, but to be honest, I think part of it is b/c things are very tight here right now and it feels like the walls are closing in a bit on me. This causes me to go into a frenzy of wanting to avoid worrying about things I can't change right this moment, so I escape into Disney stuff. Normally, that's just fine, but I think being uncertain about Disney makes it harder for me. Planning my trip is my CONTROL that I don't have over other things right now, so to not really know what I'm doing kind of ruins the escape! :laughing:

Well, if you didn't know that I was a Psychology major in college, you know now! Welcome into my head, folks! Try not to get lost!
:lmao:
 
Yes Ann, and there's a full BAR as well and pit-stops for Valium and anti-depressants for the duration! If you make it all the way through without getting lost or going mad, you win a prize. :rotfl:
 
I should have a prize for whoever lasts through my PTR craziness! Hmmmm, how should I determine a winner, what will the challenge be (other than tolerating my psychotic rambles?) , what should the prize be? I'll make Hope be the judge. :thumbsup2
 
Great words of wisdom I'm shamelessly stealing from another PTR I'm following- A wish list is just that, a wish list. We don't have to do it all.

Now if I could just make myself believe it.
 
Thanks Hope! :lovestruc

So, I have polled the family and they are all leaning towards DDP?? :confused3 I'm ok with this IF I can fit the meals and at least try some new places. So...we may give up Ohana, we ate there last time, in order to add a place we haven't been yet. Here is what I think we will do:

Crystal Palace (on the fence about this as we've already been)
Boma (definite yes, Rey and the boys haven't been)
Biergarten (must do)
Tusker House (pretty much a must do for me)
1900 Park Fare (new for all of us and only character meal we really are interested in)
Chef's de France (new for all of us)

So, I'm looking at Epcot b/c if we do all the above, the TS meal we have open would be best served at Epcot or Boardwalk area. Any suggestions?

I was thining Marakesh, but if we are already doing Boma & Tusker House, this may be overkill for everyone else. Le Cellier?
 
Thanks Hope! :lovestruc

So, I have polled the family and they are all leaning towards DDP?? :confused3 I'm ok with this IF I can fit the meals and at least try some new places. So...we may give up Ohana, we ate there last time, in order to add a place we haven't been yet. Here is what I think we will do:

Crystal Palace (on the fence about this as we've already been)
Boma (definite yes, Rey and the boys haven't been)
Biergarten (must do)
Tusker House (pretty much a must do for me)
1900 Park Fare (new for all of us and only character meal we really are interested in)
Chef's de France (new for all of us)

So, I'm looking at Epcot b/c if we do all the above, the TS meal we have open would be best served at Epcot or Boardwalk area. Any suggestions?

I was thining Marakesh, but if we are already doing Boma & Tusker House, this may be overkill for everyone else. Le Cellier?


Hey Karen! Have you ever been on AllEars.Net- it has all of the resort, park menus. I remembered you saying that there wasn't many vegan choices in MK and here is what I found just in case you have never been on this sight.

Magic Kingdom:
CS- Columbia Harbour house- lighthouse sandwich (hummus, tomatoes and broccoli slaw), Vegetarian Chili, mixed greens salad.

CS- Golden Oak Outpost- vegetarian flatbread.

CS- Pecos Bill's- Veggie burgers

CS- Plaza Restaurant- Vegetarian Sandwich

CS- Tomorrowland Terrace Noodle Station- Vegetable Noodle Bowl with Tofu,
Tofu with steamed rice


I have heard many great things about Le Cellier in Epcot. I would definitely try this place if we were on the regular DDP.
 
Oh yes! I love allears, I was just there tonight looking over stuff again! :)

I have Columbia Harbor House on our list of CS places for lunch at MK...or dinner before MNSSHP!

Le Cellier was on my list originally and I may just go for it. Rey wants to try as many places as we can while on free dining b/c he thinks that future visits we will be offsite and will at least have tried these places and know which ones are our favorites!
 
So how's the DDP sitting with your park plans? Do you have it all figured out so you're still happy with it in spite of all the 'interupptions' to eat?

I don't really have a better suggestion for you for dinner- but I'm sure you'll figure it out. ;)
 
Yes, I pretty much have it worked out. I still have that annoying feeling that it's not "perfect" but I think once hours come out and I can make sure that Tuesday night is the best night for MNSSHP it will all come together.

I do think it's less food, but everyone seems to be in agreement that having a sit down meal will be worth it. It's not like we are going to starve, but it was harder to plan out where meals & snacks would go. Rey wants lots of leftover snacks, so I was trying to make that happen for him as well.

We'll have to eat breakfast in the room. It's not a big deal, in fact, it's a BIG time saver to be honest. I don't have to deal with them going down to the food court and taking forever. Since we'll have the suite and Rey & Dylan will be driving, I'll bring cereal, bagels, etc. and they can just eat in the room. I think it will work out.

I was determined to try new places, but the more I looked, the more I realized that we have either tried most of the places we are interested in or are already going to try them. I was back and forth on Ohana b/c Dylan really wanted to go back and I wouldn't mind trying again, but Dallas didn't like it. I thought we could try Le Cellier, but I was starting to think I have too much planned at Epcot! As If! Don't tell Rey though, he would spend the whole trip there if he could. :p

So, we'll see. I may ask Dylan since he's the one that really wants to go to Ohana if he would rather do Le Cellier and show him the menu.

I think I'm THINKING too much about all of this lately! I know it's b/c of the winter. It's cold and snowy here and I'm so DONE with winter. My seasonal depression is in overload and I just want some sun!!!!! So, I'll continue to obsess over my plans to get me through the winter and then when winter is over, it will all become crystal clear what I'm to do and I'll change it all again! :lmao:
 














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