TheNeverEndingPTR! Sept2010...no, November...WAIT! January?Ugh. maybe September 2011!

BTW (too lazy to compose an email and since I'm here...I MAY need you to pick up Savannah & I today. Rey got a small side job for the morning unloading for his company but he should be back. If he's not I would need a ride. If it weren't pouring, we would walk, but it is! Can you call me at like 10:45 and see if I need a ride or if he's gotten back?
 
I love your PTR so far! I've been having so much fun reading it. I had been playing around with the idea of doing my own and yours convinced me to do so. :) Can't wait to read more!
 
BTW (too lazy to compose an email and since I'm here...I MAY need you to pick up Savannah & I today. Rey got a small side job for the morning unloading for his company but he should be back. If he's not I would need a ride. If it weren't pouring, we would walk, but it is! Can you call me at like 10:45 and see if I need a ride or if he's gotten back?

No problem! I see you posted this a while ago so hopefully you're seeing this. :thumbsup2
 
I love your PTR so far! I've been having so much fun reading it. I had been playing around with the idea of doing my own and yours convinced me to do so. :) Can't wait to read more!

I can't wait to start reading your PTR too! I'll check it out tonight. Today Hope & I are walking before our homeschool playgroup and I'm sure we will be talking up a storm about our options if Quick Service is only free for values!
 

Hope and I walked today for over 45 minutes! :goodvibes

While we walked, we talked ALL DISNEY (I'm sure this surprises you.) :laughing: At first I really freaked out about getting the Quick Service dining free offer, but I think I'm going to like it more! :cool1:

I know, how quickly I change my tune when backed in a corner! :rotfl2:

We are still going to do 3 TS meals at Biergarten (a must for Rey), Tusker House (a must for me) and 1900 Park Fare (so we can have 1 character meal that I think everyone will enjoy). This will cost a bit oop (ok, more than a bit!) but we will save on tips that we won't be paying for those TS that we aren't doing anymore, we'll save b/c the refillable mugs are included, and we will have a TON of food more than if we had done the regular ddp.

It will also give us more freedom and spontaneity, something Rey complains we don't have enough of! Of course, I know all the CS places I would like to go and can eat at and will plan on which ones we will go to, but Rey will still get to feel spontaneous! :p

So, now that I'm sold on the QS free dining with a few oop TS thrown in, I'm going to get mad if they offer the regular ddp for free! :laughing: It will be hard b/c it will be less food but save a little (not too much) and I don't want to have to make that choice! :rolleyes:

I'll type up my new itinerary later, I figure eventually it will be perfect with all the changes I keep making!
 
Hey Karen, I'm not understanding this right now.......(big surprise there!) :confused: So, are you saying that the DDP would be less food but save a little or that the QS would be less food but save a little? I would think that the QS is a lot less food, but I can see where it would save ALOT of money due to the tips. I guess I just haven't crunched the numbers myself to see which would work out better. I figure even though let's say the DDP would be offered for free, there's $10 tip per ts meal x 10 days then I would have to buy 2 resort mugs at $15 each. So, there's $130 with the DDP offered for free. Now with the QS being offered for free, the mugs would be included and I wouldn't have to tip. But that also leaves us with no definite dining plans, not knowing where we would eat, etc......But, then, I've never had any table service meals at Disney and I really think I would enjoy that experience. Ok, you and Hope decide and then let me know!! ;)
 
Hey Karen, I'm not understanding this right now.......(big surprise there!) :confused: So, are you saying that the DDP would be less food but save a little or that the QS would be less food but save a little? I would think that the QS is a lot less food, but I can see where it would save ALOT of money due to the tips. I guess I just haven't crunched the numbers myself to see which would work out better. I figure even though let's say the DDP would be offered for free, there's $10 tip per ts meal x 10 days then I would have to buy 2 resort mugs at $15 each. So, there's $130 with the DDP offered for free. Now with the QS being offered for free, the mugs would be included and I wouldn't have to tip. But that also leaves us with no definite dining plans, not knowing where we would eat, etc......But, then, I've never had any table service meals at Disney and I really think I would enjoy that experience. Ok, you and Hope decide and then let me know!! ;)

I guess it's not actually less food with the ddp but there are more opportunities to eat more often with QSD. The extra snack credits make it feel that way. With 2 snacks and 2 CS, we can utilize them better. But, I guess it's all in the planning.

I think by adding a few OOP TS meals, the Quick service works out to be perfect for us and plenty of food and I love that there are more snack credits b/c we would use them at F&W. I also love that I feel like I've freed up all this time! Instead of a couple hours for a TS and waiting to be seated, etc. we can go where we want.

As for tips, I added up what we would pay for each of the 4 TS meals on ddp we would have added (we will still do 3, so I didn't count those!) and then multiplied each meal by 18% tip b/c there are 6 of us and we will automatically be charged 18% for tips (which is fine with me, this is what we would pay either way). Anyway, the tips were WAY more than 10$ a TS meal. The cheapest was 21$ and the most expensive was 37$! Then the mugs as well for 6 of us would have been almost 90$. It's still a little more money out of pocket to do the QSD for free than DDP for FREE, BUT...it is not cheaper than upgrading. If we were to upgrade it would be 420$ more PLUS more tips, PLUS those mugs. So, OOP for a few meals with the QSD will work.

Unless they release DDP for FREE, then I'll have a conundrum! :rolleyes: The DDP free would be cheaper but I'm not sure if anyone at a value in the general public will be offered the ddp this fall. It seems they are leaning towards tiered dining with QSD offered to the Values.

Since I have dietary issues being a vegan, I'm pouring over the CS menu's and I already have a pretty good idea of where we will eat for our CS meals. I will most likely leave a few open as a "choice" for Rey, for example when we are at Epcot around dinner on a certain night we can eat at Tangierene Cafe or Italy's new CS place (I think it's going to be pizza?) Anyway, that's just an example, but I'll have it set up so I have a general idea of what CS's we will do.

Hope I haven't lost you!! I know my rambling can sometimes lose focus and do more damage than good! :p
 
I need to escape in my PTR for a bit. Rey left today, which is nice b/c he's finally gone back to work, but I'm sad he's gone and just as I expected, as soon as he left I realized a couple bills that will automatically come out of our account next week that I don't have money for. It's only going to get worse for the next couple weeks until the money starts coming back in. I had to call my mom and borrow a couple hundred dollars to cover it. Sigh.

Enough of that! I was supposed to be ESCAPING here! :laughing:

So, I have my FREE Quick Service Dining all planned out and I think I like it more! Lots of new CS places to try out and 3 TS meals OOP make it seem very well rounded to me. I'm excited!!!! Here's what I have right now...

Saturday, September 25-
-Flight to Orlando
-settle in/explore hotel
-CS(1)lunch at ASMU
-DTD & DisneyQuest?
-CS(2)dinner Wolfgang Puck Express


Sunday, September 26-
-Magic Kingdom rope drop
-breakfast in room
-CS(3) lunch Columbia Harbor House
-ASMU mid-day break/swim
-CS(4) Mara/AKL bus to
-Spectro/Wishes (1st choice if no Halloween party this night)


Monday, September 27-
-DHS rope drop (Hope)
-CS(5) breakfast ASMU
-S(1)at DHS
- BOAT straight to:
-TS (OOP) Biergarten late lunch 2pm (before 3pm so it's lunch!)
-back to resort for evening
-CS(6) dinner at ASMU/or pizza
-(Spectro/Wishes if we can't see it previous night)


Tuesday, September 28-
-Animal Kingdom rope drop
-S(2)breakfast ASMU
-TS(OOP) Tusker House lunch
-break/swim
-CS (7)Contempo Cafe (Contemporary) Monorail to
-MNSSHP!
-S(3) ice cream


Wednesday, September 29-
-sleep in
-CS(8)breakfast at ASMU
-Blizzard Beach (Hope)
-S(4)at BB
-TS(OOP) Park Fare
-Wishes from marina


Thursday, September 30-
-S (5) ASMU breakfast
-Epcot Future World RD
-CS(9) meet Hope Sunshine Seasons
-girls Kim Possible Mission
-break/swim
-cab to Boardwalk, walk to Epcot
-CS(10) Tangierene Cafe (Morocco)- Savannah may be with Hope

Friday, October 1-
-CS(11) ASMU breakfast
-Food & Wine opening Day! Epcot World Showcase 11am
-S(6/7/8/9) lunch at F&W
-CS(12) New Italian CS pizza place??? China? (whatever we want!)
-Illuminations

Saturday, October 2-
-CS(13) breakfast ASMU (unless for some reason we have used this then we can just use snack credits or eat in room)
-pack & check out
-DTD
-CS(14) Earl of Sandwich
-S(any leftovers) Goofy's Candy Co.
-LATE flight home (after 5pm)

***5 snack credits EACH open for trip!

Ok, now it's back to reality for a bit...
 
That looks great Karen! I'll have to check out the counter service restaurants and figure out something........
 
Oooh, Contempo looks good! I wonder if I can fit that in somewhere, lol.
 
Yep, I'm looking forward to it! I really struggle with CS at MK b/c they don't have many vegan options. We are already eating at Columbia Harbor House, which I'm looking forward to, but I've eaten at Cosmic Rays twice now and really wasn't wanting to eat there again, so I thought we could go to Contempo and then just hop the monorail to MK for MNSSHP! :wizard:
 
Sounds like a good plan... have a look at my PTR to see how you got my wheels turning again! :rolleyes1
 
:laughing: We are contagious to each other!

So, a new issue has arisen that I will have to find a solution to. A few months ago when I was mentioning flying, Dylan joked about how he didn't want to fly. Or maybe it wasn't joking???

We were talking the other day and he flat out said he didn't want to fly. He's afraid of heights and does NOT want to get on a plane. :confused: Dylan is turning 16 this summer, but he's an unusual 16 year old. He doesn't care much what other people think, he's VERY headstrong, but not afraid to tell people what he's afraid of. He did NOT like most of the rides at WDW b/c of the g-force and drops. He won't even go on Pirates again b/c of the drop and hates TT. Soarin was the only thing he didn't mind.

Anywho...there have been a couple times in the past where he was scared of doing something and just FLAT OUT REFUSED to do it. No coaxing, threatening, or rationalizing would work. If you tell him he will be grounded, he says, "Ok, ground me.". Also, these situations are always spur of the moment. We get there and BAM, he won't get out of the car, etc.

This terrifies me b/c what if we get to the airport and he refuses to get on the plane??? I can't drag him, he's a big boy, and it would ruin the whole trip if this happened. I can talk to him for the next 8 months, but there is NOTHING to ensure that he won't panic and refuse at the last minute. We have talked about phobias and I am hoping to have him look up some info on fear of flying, but I have to have some alternatives.

Here is what I've come up with: We buy the tickets, we talk about it, I talk to my mom privately (she is driving us to the airport) and arrage with her that IF the worst happens and he freaks, he can just go home with her and stay with her for the week. :sad2: This is not optimal b/c we not only will have spent money on his tickets and airfare, but it won't be the same without him. This is our first family trip with Eli and just US. I'm sure we would have fun still and he would be fine with my mom, but it would be a cloud over the whole trip.

The second option I presented to Rey and he's thinking about it. It would cost the same amount of money to use their airfare money (Rey's and Dylans) and have them leave the day before and drive. Rey is a truck driver, so the distance (17 hours...that's not including stops) wouldn't bother him, they could sleep with the seats reclined, AND, a bonus would be that we would have a car onsite. No more fretting about being at the mercy of the buses. It would also make packing and bringing stuff easier. We can't ALL drive b/c although we would fit, it would be MISERABLE with 3 teens side-by-side and Savannah cramped in the back. There is also the issue that we couldn't get just 1 motel room b/c there are 6 of us and we would have 2 more days of food for 6 people during this drive. We spent SO much money driving last trip that I realized it would be about the same amount to fly.

Ugh. Anyway, I have a friend that told me I just need to tell him to face his fear and basically "be a man" about it, but I don't think it's just about that. I have adult friends that have fear of flying and it is a REAL fear them. I'm not sure he'll be able to do it. AND, what if he does get on the plane and we have turbulence or something and then on the trip back he refuses to get on??? Then what??? :eek:
 
I think the option of him and Rey driving down togethere sounds like a good plan. I know its not ideal but it is better than leaving him behind.

I'm not afraid to fly but, as you know, I do have some irrational phobias. No amount of reasoning, self talk, etc. turns off those fears. The thing is that it is worse when something is unexpected- remember how I reacted to Lucky when I didn't know he was there? (for those following along Lucky was our friend's rat) I could be in the room with him once I knew he was there- I didn't like it but I could tolerate it. BUT that first time, when I had no idea I was FREAKED out- I felt sick, sweaty and my eyes were watering. If your flight is uneventful he'd probably be fine but any surprises, like storms or turbulence, could be bad for him.
 
Right! Unexpected! AND, the whole THING will be unexpected since he's never flown (well, he was 2 and doesn't remember). At first I was thinking maybe it would be good for him to face his fear and do this or that we could get him some Valium or a drink??? :rolleyes1 but I'm just not sure that would work either. It just makes it a little harder to have Rey & him drive. I keep going back and forth and I'm unsure but I'll have to decide when it's time to book flights!
 
Honestly, a fear a flying is a very serious thing. For someone to say that he should face his fears, just doesn't understand a fear so strong. If you really think about a plane...... An enormous tin can that is supposed to keep you up above the clouds, safely? Now, to most people without a fear can say, yes, they are safe, they fly everyday. But to some one with a fear, that certainly sounds like a nightmare, right? :headache:

I think your idea of having him drive with someone else is the best option, especially if he has refused things in the past. Can you imagine being there and not being able to get him back on the plane. And if you had to leave him behind, i'm sure you would feel bad. I'd go with the drive, this way, you have nothing to worry about and neither does he. We actually looked into the autotrain last night because Emily told me she does not want to fly. She didn't enjoy it in May, neither did my stepson, so.... who knows!
 
I have to agree with Hope and Pam. The best (not ideal) idea is to have him and Rey drive down together. Like you said, you'd have a vehicle there so that would be convenient --- not at the mercy of the buses. And it takes the "what if" factor out of it. ;)
 
Pam & Ann, thank you so much for your input! I agree with you, I think it would be EASIER to fly, but not if he freaks out. I want him to know that we aren't going to force him to do something he's terrified of, so hopefully Rey will agree to driving. I'm pretty sure he will...that means I don't have to factor in cab money at all and we'll have the car! :woohoo:
 
I agree with everyone else- see if you can talk him into it at first, and if not, see if Rey will do it. Making him get on that plane is easier said than done, as a lot of people are terried of flying :scared1:!!! If you cannot coax him into it by the time you are ready to purchase your plane tix, I would have the backup driving plan available. I see you are going to be there in September as well- awesome there are soo many of us going!!!! Are you staying at Pop too?
 
I agree with everyone else- see if you can talk him into it at first, and if not, see if Rey will do it. Making him get on that plane is easier said than done, as a lot of people are terried of flying :scared1:!!! If you cannot coax him into it by the time you are ready to purchase your plane tix, I would have the backup driving plan available. I see you are going to be there in September as well- awesome there are soo many of us going!!!! Are you staying at Pop too?

We're staying at ASMU in a family suite since there are 6 of us! I stayed at Pop when my dd and I went with a friend and we loved it! I had to convince her that All Star Music would be just as fun, she may even like it more as she LOVES music!

What are your dates? I'm worried the rest of my family was spoiled by the end of October weather and is going to die in the heat at the end of September this year, but I've warned them!
 














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