The Villas at Disney's Grand Californian Owners Group

[nunzia]

I'm also March use year and understood that I wouldn't get any 09 points and was OK with that.

 

[toocherie]

I didn't know about this. I have a March UY but I don't see why it should make any difference when my UY begins. I'm not sure why they aren't giving 2009 points to everyone who bought at VGC in the months before the resort opened. Why make any distinction at all?

It seems like I am losing out on a years worth of points that I have paid for.

You're not losing out . . . .you'll get points at the end of the term that those of us that got 2009 points won't get.

 

[Robo-Daddy 3000]

You're not losing out . . . .you'll get points at the end of the term that those of us that got 2009 points won't get.

Is that true? For that to be the case then some would get their last points in 2058 and others in 2059. I'd really rather have the points now.

My docs say that the term of the time share at VGC continue thru 1/31/2060 I assume that date is the same for everyone-am I wrong on that? If this is correct, then those with UY in Jan-May, (and who don't receive points at VGC for the first time until 2010) will receive points in 2010 for the first time and then 49 more UY worth of points over the life of the contract meaning that their last UY that they will receive points would be in 2059.

So for those with UY June-Dec, they will receive points in 2009 and then 49 more UY worth of points over the life of the contract meaning that their last UY that they will receive points would be in 2058.

I need some clarification on this. I'm going to write to Membersatisfaction to ssee if I can get an answer.

 

[DVCGeek]

So for those with UY June-Dec, they will receive points in 2009 and then 49 more UY worth of points over the life of the contract meaning that their last UY that they will receive points would be in 2058.

I need some clarification on this. I'm going to write to Membersatisfaction to ssee if I can get an answer.

I'm really interested in hearing your clarification. I have an August UY and was always assuming I'd get points in August 2059 (for both BLT & VGC) that just wouldn't have a full year to use, but I guess this could be right... Bummer if it is; I based my costs of ownership on 51 years worth of points. Might have to adjust my spreadsheets! Oh well, not the end of the world if I have to do so.

 

[tjkraz]

For the most part, those with the later-year UYs will be getting an extra year's points. Everyone will receive points through 2059, however some got their first points in 2009 and some in 2010.

Of course, it remains to be seen how much flexibility the latter UYs will have in using their final set of points. The land lease expires on 1/31/2060. So with a Dec UY getting its last set of points 12/1/2059, the member will theoretically have only 2 months to use the points. Particularly if point borrowing is suspended as some postulate.

But we really won't know the full impact for another 50 years (or at least 33 years when the 2042 resort owners are impacted.)

Realistically DVC had to draw the line somewhere. Despite DVC being a point-based timeshare, you can't sell more points than exists capacity.

VGC isn't going to open until late-September. If this were a more traditional fixed-week timeshare, the developer couldn't sell 52 weeks' worth of ownership in 2009 if the property will only be open for about 14 weeks of the year.

A February Use Year runs from 2/1/09 to 1/31/10. And VGC won't be open until 8 months of that UY have already passed. Similar to the fixed-week example, there is no way to accommodate all FEB UY owners when the building will only be available for occupancy for 1/3 of that Use Year.

Is it "fair" to all owners. No. But it's necessary. The dates were all spelled out in the contracts and I don't see there being any recourse available.

 

[Robo-Daddy 3000]

For the most part, those with the later-year UYs will be getting an extra year's points. Everyone will receive points through 2059, however some got their first points in 2009 and some in 2010.

Of course, it remains to be seen how much flexibility the latter UYs will have in using their final set of points. The land lease expires on 1/31/2060. So with a Dec UY getting its last set of points 12/1/2059, the member will theoretically have only 2 months to use the points. Particularly if point borrowing is suspended as some postulate.

But we really won't know the full impact for another 50 years (or at least 33 years when the 2042 resort owners are impacted.)

Realistically DVC had to draw the line somewhere. Despite DVC being a point-based timeshare, you can't sell more points than exists capacity.

VGC isn't going to open until late-September. If this were a more traditional fixed-week timeshare, the developer couldn't sell 52 weeks' worth of ownership in 2009 if the property will only be open for about 14 weeks of the year.

A February Use Year runs from 2/1/09 to 1/31/10. And VGC won't be open until 8 months of that UY have already passed. Similar to the fixed-week example, there is no way to accommodate all FEB UY owners when the building will only be available for occupancy for 1/3 of that Use Year.

Is it "fair" to all owners. No. But it's necessary. The dates were all spelled out in the contracts and I don't see there being any recourse available.

Tim, Thanks for taking the time to give your thoughts. It doesn't seem right (to me , anyway) that two people could buy 100 pointsfor the same dollar amount in March 2009 for VGC and one person with a Jun UY gets 51 UY of points and someone with a March UY gets 50 yrs of points.

I'm not sure what is actually spelled out in the contracts. My VGC contract was drawn up on March 26, 2009 and says my use year begins the first day of March 2010.

Are you saying that if I had a contract with a June UY, it would say that the UY begins on the first day of June 2009? I not sure if that would be possible because the resort is not ready for occupancy yet. I would think that it would say June 2010. Can anyone with a June UY (or later) check page 1 on their purchase agreement?

And then how would this all relate to when I start paying dues? Do I start paying dues in March 2010 or in Sept when the resort opens? I don't think that I have any legal standing for recourse here but I would like an explanation from DVC.

 

[DVCGeek]

Are you saying that if I had a contract with a June UY, it would say that the UY begins on the first day of June 2009? I not sure if that would be possible because the resort is not ready for occupancy yet. I would think that it would say June 2010. Can anyone with a June UY (or later) check page 1 on their purchase agreement?

Purchase agreement is at home BUT I have August 2009 VGC points (& BLT ones) showing up on DVCMember.com and have already booked reservations using both sets of points. The first trip starts Oct. 23, 2009, but due to availability is @ VWL & SSR... My guide told me that I would NOT be allowed to USE my points until the resort opened and that my dues would not begin until the resort opened, since that would be after my UY began in both cases.

I would hope that those with UYs not giving them points until 2010 would have no calendar 2009 dues and get their 2010 dues prorated for the number of months they actually have, but I have no idea if that will be the case.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

I would hope that those with UYs not giving them points until 2010 would have no calendar 2009 dues and get their 2010 dues prorated for the number of months they actually have, but I have no idea if that will be the case.

I'm almost certain that's the way it will work.

In addition, we won't really know if some of us will get 51 UYs worth of points until we know the "end game".
We don't yet know how the end will happen. Will they really dole out points in December, 2059? It's possible they look at us and say we've got our 50 years...

MG

 

[nunzia]

I'm almost certain that's the way it will work.

In addition, we won't really know if some of us will get 51 UYs worth of points until we know the "end game".
We don't yet know how the end will happen. Will they really dole out points in December, 2059? It's possible they look at us and say we've got our 50 years...

MG

... I'll be 102 and probably won't care....
it's like anything else really..it's just how it is. I paid more for my points than many are now, but what are you going to do? I got DP and am going to love those, many didn't so are they upset about that? I've already borrowed some 2010 points to add on to my Jan trip and have booked for May. Maybe the incentives will go away and people buying next year will pay more than me and not get DP and only get 49 years, but aaht's how it is. I got a March year because I already had one with my OKW points, so when I heard I wouldn't get them I was in "oh well" mode..

 

[Mr_Potts]

I just wanted to introduce myself as an excited new VGC owner. I added on 160 points at the Boston Vacation As You Wish Event in June. I couldn't resist the price per point or the idea of living at Disneyland. My first trip home will be over Columbus Day Weekend.

 

[DVCGeek]

I just wanted to introduce myself as an excited new VGC owner. I added on 160 points at the Boston Vacation As You Wish Event in June. I couldn't resist the price per point or the idea of living at Disneyland. My first trip home will be over Columbus Day Weekend.

Welcome to our group!

 

[thelionqueen]

WELCOME HOME NEIGHBOR!!!!

 

[Robo-Daddy 3000]

... I'll be 102 and probably won't care....
it's like anything else really..it's just how it is. I paid more for my points than many are now, but what are you going to do? I got DP and am going to love those, many didn't so are they upset about that? I've already borrowed some 2010 points to add on to my Jan trip and have booked for May. Maybe the incentives will go away and people buying next year will pay more than me and not get DP and only get 49 years, but aaht's how it is. I got a March year because I already had one with my OKW points, so when I heard I wouldn't get them I was in "oh well" mode..

There always different deals and incentives depending on when and where you purchase and I'm not upset about that at all. I'm upset to find out that the 100 points that I purchased in March for a resort that hasn't opened yet will only net me 5000 points over 50 years but someone else who bought 100 points for the same dollar amount on the same day in March for the same unopened resort will net 5100 points. I don't think that its right that I get 100less points simply based on UY.

And like you, I've already borrowed 2010 points for a vacation in 2009 after the resort opens. Thats how this whole thing got started when I said to myself why do I have to borrow points on a new contract? It shouldn't be that way. If I wanted to be at VGC on opening day and make a ressie for the first day that they are opened and use my VGC points, I would have had to borrow points to do it. But others with a later use year would just use their current VGC years points. Again, I don't think that its right. I hope to hear back from Membersatisfaction team today or Monday.

 

[nunzia]

I just wanted to introduce myself as an excited new VGC owner. I added on 160 points at the Boston Vacation As You Wish Event in June. I couldn't resist the price per point or the idea of living at Disneyland. My first trip home will be over Columbus Day Weekend.

 

[nunzia]

There always different deals and incentives depending on when and where you purchase and I'm not upset about that at all. I'm upset to find out that the 100 points that I purchased in March for a resort that hasn't opened yet will only net me 5000 points over 50 years but someone else who bought 100 points for the same dollar amount on the same day in March for the same unopened resort will net 5100 points. I don't think that its right they I get 100less points simply based on UY.

And like you, I've already borrowed 2010 points for a vacation in 2009 after the resort opens. Thats how this whole thing got started when I said to myself why do I have to borrow points on a new contract? It shouldn't be that way. If I wanted to be at VGC on opening day and make a ressie for the first day that they are opened and use my VGC points, I would have had to borrow points to do it. But others with a later use year would just use their current VGC years points. Again, I don't think that its right. I hope to hear back from Membersatisfaction team today or Monday.

I understand your frustration. My point was not that you shouldn't care, but that it was set up like it was for a reason and I guess we really can't do anything about it. I'm interested in hearing what Member Satisfaction says also, but since it's set I'm guessing they can't do anything more than give an explanation. but..if you get your 2009 points let me know and I'll be on the phone too!

 

[Robo-Daddy 3000]

I understand your frustration. My point was not that you shouldn't care, but that it was set up like it was for a reason and I guess we really can't do anything about it. I'm interested in hearing what Member Satisfaction says also, but since it's set I'm guessing they can't do anything more than give an explanation. but..if you get your 2009 points let me know and I'll be on the phone too!

I'd like to know the reason that it was set up in such a way. You are right. It is likely that nothing can be done about it but the resort isn't opened yet, and until it does open, I don't see why changes couldn't be made.

I've only been with DVC for 2+ years, and this was our first add-on, so I don't have a lot of experience with how and when points are allocated when you buy a new contract for a new resort. Maybe Member Satisfaction will be able to explain it in a way that makes sense.

 

[tjkraz]

I'm upset to find out that the 100 points that I purchased in March for a resort that hasn't opened yet will only net me 5000 points over 50 years but someone else who bought 100 points for the same dollar amount on the same day in March for the same unopened resort will net 5100 points. I don't think that its right they I get 100less points simply based on UY.

I see what you're saying and have had the same thing come back to bite me at times. But it's pretty consistent with the way DVC has always done business.

If you were to add points today at OKW, SSR or any other resort that's open, your first points for that add-on would be in the 2009 Use Year. But if someone with an October or December UY added the same number of points at the same resort, he/she would get points for their 2008 Use Year (because that's their "current" UY.)

Fair? No, probably not. But VGC isn't really an exception. This is consistent with the way DVC has managed points for years.

 

[SoCalKDG]

A couple photos of the park view rooms. Notice in the first photo that the rooms start on the second floor and have the top 5 floors, thus they all should have a good view as well.

The actual DVC Villas are to the right side of the red column in the middle with viewing area at top. Look here at mintcrocodile's photos.

http://mintcrocodile.smugmug.com/photos/600026215_WdmyM-X3.jpg


Another view that shows the angle that you will be seeing into the WOC show.

http://mintcrocodile.smugmug.com/photos/600013626_AWWZt-X3.jpg

The man in charge of the WOC, Steve Davison, says this show will be bigger than Illuminations and anything done in Tokyo.

 

[nunzia]

A couple photos of the park view rooms. Notice in the first photo that the rooms start on the second floor and have the top 5 floors, thus they all should have a good view as well.

The actual DVC Villas are to the right side of the red column in the middle with viewing area at top. Look here at mintcrocodile's photos.

http://mintcrocodile.smugmug.com/photos/600026215_WdmyM-X3.jpg


Another view that shows the angle that you will be seeing into the WOC show.

http://mintcrocodile.smugmug.com/photos/600013626_AWWZt-X3.jpg

The man in charge of the WOC, Steve Davison, says this show will be bigger than Illuminations and anything done in Tokyo.

Nice shots..thanks for sharing. That viewing area isn't large enough!
It's just amazing how RIGHT THERE the villas are to the park (you know they are, the hotels rooms too, but this angle just really shows it). Heck..someone could actually pitch you a corn dog with no problem...

 

[thelionqueen]

I just found another website that has almost daily updates of the construction, don't know if I can post it here, but it is unbelievable! I LITERALLY get butterflies in my stomach when I see the villas and how REALLY IN the park they are!

On a different note, we (GCV owners) are DESPERATELY in need of a new signature picture!!!! Any technological experts out there to create a pic for us that TRULY shows how Grand the GCV are? The one we have now is blurry and small and doesn't give GCV the justice they deserve IMO. ANYONE??????