The VGF 2 pricing thread

[TCRAIG]

who on this board will buy at $255 or above? I won’t, that’s a crazy high price

$207 and I’ll buy but on 100 points $255 vs $207 is a delta of $5000. That’s a lot of money

if dvc lists gfv at $255 sales will be garbage

I would - I was planning on buying before the freeze and VGF2 announcement…but I’ll be adding to my VGF points so I’m only planning on @100 points…

 

[Her Dotness]

Maybe if the connecting rooms are a bookable guarantee--otherwise, one would worry that the kids will be on a different floor!

I don't care for the microwave or sink, but I would still prefer 1BR over 2 connecting studios, especially now that the murphy bed is there. But, again, if connecting studios can be guaranteed, that's a game changer--2 bathrooms! It would be like when we try to decide whether to squeeze into one or 2 cabins on a cruise ship. When I mention we'd have a 2nd bathroom, decision made lol

Nevermind my brilliant idea for anyone but adult groups or families with older kids they'd trust in non-connecting rooms.

I found out on another DVC site that only 41 of the declared 101 villas are connecting.

And like everywhere else, no guarantees you'll get connecting.

Still, might be a good setup for a max-5 family that wants to add relatives or friends in a 2nd resort studio. They wouldn't necessarily need connecting studios and could save a wad of points.

 

[DonMacGregor]

I'm talking 2 resort studios going for less than 1-1br. I think 2 resort studios could actually be very much more appealing for the fact that you could put 10 bodies total in them for about the same points as a 1br in 2023, fewer points for lake view.

Not for people who don't care that the resort studios haven't the kitchenette. With the DxDDP, that was DH and I. We rarely ate in the room, didn't use the microwave at all, only used the kitchen sink to wash reusable mugs

I'm getting some serious cognitive dissonance trying to reconcile these two ideas. It seems to me that if, on the one hand, you're trying to save money/points on a stay at VGF by shoe-horning nearly a dozen people into what are inarguably two hotel rooms, then on the other hand you're not likely to be financially motivated to feed that horde VGF-priced food (even quick service) at every single meal.

 

[Duckbug.Ducktales]

I found out on another DVC site that only 41 of the declared 101 villas are connecting.

Darn. It would have been a game changer for sure!
We like to relax at the villa and play a board game, etc, with whatever family we have in tow so that;s why 1BRs work better for us.

 

[Paul Stupin]

Except that DVC is not selling a new resort. They're selling more points at an existing resort that has been listed at a base price of $255/point for quite some time now. They won't be marketing just the "resort studios". They'll be flashing those 6 grand villas with their steam showers and media rooms to potential buyers. Guides will be sharing a points chart that includes the 1BR and 2BR options that buyers can reserve. Why do you think that VGF got a refurb ahead of schedule this past December?

Historically speaking, when was the last time you saw DVC reduce the base price of any of their existing resorts? Yes. They offer incentives that drop that out of pocket cost down, but they have never reduced the base price. I fully expect that VGF2 will open sales at the $255 base price with significant incentives that bring the actual cost closer to, but still slightly higher than, RIV.

Agreed, it’s not a new resort, but it’s no longer a sold out resort either, so I don’t think your logic works. You’re doing an apples to oranges comparison! The $255 price was meant to discourage buyers and direct them elsewhere because their point pool was limited. Now they’ve got two million points to sell and if the new direct price is anywhere near $255 they wont’t get anywhere near the sales volume they need. And DVC is raising prices a different way with the 150 point new buyer minimum purchase, where they’ll have to fork over extra $1000s they didn’t have to before.

Looking at the current BLT incentives, and the recent Riviera and crazy good Aulani ones as well, the new DVC regime has certainly proved that they’ll price the product to sell. And there’s no world where a $207 price point is cheap. It might seem that way to us but it’s not. And, as you’ve pointed out, it’s not new, it’s an old, minimally converted hotel wing.

Anyway, maybe I’m wrong! But maybe you are too. We’ll know in a few weeks. One thing we can agree on is that when the prices for new DVC members are announced, they’ll never be any cheaper with incentives. But if they’re too pricey Riviera will be a better deal, and I think that’s where many of us would buy.

 

[RoseGold]

I'm getting some serious cognitive dissonance trying to reconcile these two ideas. It seems to me that if, on the one hand you're trying to save money on a stay at VGF by shoe-horning nearly a dozen people into what are inarguably two hotel rooms, then on the other hand you're not likely to be financially motivated to feed that horde VGF-priced food (even quick service) at every single meal.

This is pretty standard on the cash hotel forums. Cram people in the hotel rooms. It's the natural outcome of such expensive hotel rooms and expensive tickets for fun things to do outside the hotel rooms -- and food everywhere at Disney. Maybe not the way legacy Disney worked with reasonable tickets or APs, but that was then.

 

[RamblinWreck]

Nevermind my brilliant idea for anyone but adult groups or families with older kids they'd trust in non-connecting rooms.

I found out on another DVC site that only 41 of the declared 101 villas are connecting.

And like everywhere else, no guarantees you'll get connecting.

Still, might be a good setup for a max-5 family that wants to add relatives or friends in a 2nd resort studio. They wouldn't necessarily need connecting studios and could save a wad of points.

I'm really curious as to why there is an odd number of connecting rooms.

Do some rooms connect to more than one other room??

 

[stwaldman]

I'm really curious as to why there is an odd number of connecting rooms.

Do some rooms connect to more than one other room??

EDIT I read the post as 41 connected (i.e. 82 total rooms). I must be wrong, rereading your post. Sorry!!

 

[nuhusky123]

confirmed March 3 for dvc members

 

[Her Dotness]

I'm getting some serious cognitive dissonance trying to reconcile these two ideas. It seems to me that if, on the one hand, you're trying to save money/points on a stay at VGF by shoe-horning nearly a dozen people into what are inarguably two hotel rooms, then on the other hand you're not likely to be financially motivated to feed that horde VGF-priced food (even quick service) at every single meal.

Probably not for most people, most stays.

But, for a small family get-together of confirmed GF lovers anyway? That was us a mere 6 years ago--nowhere else at WDW measured up. We stayed at the nearby Hilton once. Preferred that GF grandness by far.

Who says the DVC member who booked the two studios isn't savvy enough to say, "I got you all your room for no cost to you. You buy our food, deal?"?

DH and I were just thinking about some relatives we've been talking up DVC to. We'd book a VG1 studio and book them into "a lovely new" VGF2. (Yeah, we really don't get along well enough for same building. Two buildings? Terrific!)

 

[Her Dotness]

I'm really curious as to why there is an odd number of connecting rooms.

Do some rooms connect to more than one other room??

It's 41 pairs that are connecting rooms, I think, if I read it right.

ETA: Yeah, 82 rooms that are connecting for 41 pairs. Hmmmmm, that's not such bad odds you'd get a connected pair at 11 mo., I'm thinking, with 101 declared rooms.

Well, wait a mo, declared rooms doesn't mean a bloc of rooms, so points-stays could be anywhere in BPC. Odds aren't that good after all.

 

[DKZB]

confirmed March 3 for dvc members

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Finally Confirmation of a date. Will we know pricing before the on-sale date?

 

[CarolMN]

Finally Confirmation of a date. Will we know pricing before the on-sale date?

Maybe, but I don't think they've told the guides (sales people) yet. If they had, it would have already leaked. I' m not expecting price info until 3/3 or just before. JMHO. YMMV.

 

[SusieQ93]

It is, but Cheapskate is in charge. AP prices are now $1200 without photopass and that's over the top for me. They used to be $800 pre-COVID, pre-Cheapskate.

Yeah, but I don’t think you can really compare the demand for those two things. I think they honestly had to raise ticket and AP prices because of the demand. I think the #1 universal complaint about Disney parks is crowds. The only way to reduce crowds is up prices. I guess they could limit capacity further, but they are a business and it behooves them to charge what people will pay. I actually still think APs are a good price at $1200. If you have an AP and go once a month, that’s $100/day. A lot of APs go much more than 12 days per year. If you go to a play, ballet, concert, sporting event, etc. you get a few hours of entertainment (not a full day) and will probably pay the same price or more - maybe less if you buy bargain seats. I know this is an extremely unpopular opinion.

I’m not saying I don’t think the price will be $255 out of the goodness of their hearts. I don’t think it will be $255 because I don’t think they can sell the volume of points they need to sell at that price. If they can and I’m wrong, then I’m priced out and clearly the product isn’t for me. And that’s ok too. I want to buy a DVC contract, but I don’t need a DVC contract. There’s plenty of other accommodation options available.

 

[Tbella]

We will be staying at Boardwalk the week GFV2 go on sale. Do you think I need an appointment with a guide?

 

[RoseGold]

We will be staying at Boardwalk the week GFV2 go on sale. Do you think I need an appointment with a guide?

An appointment to what? They have nothing new to show you. If you want to buy, you can probably do that at the BW kiosk on the way to breakfast.

 

[Tbella]

An appointment to what? They have nothing new to show you. If you want to buy, you can probably do that at the BW kiosk on the way to breakfast.

Plenty to talk about. Such as use years, splitting contracts, etc.

 

[RoseGold]

Plenty to talk about. Such as use years, splitting contracts, etc.

I would go to RIV if you want some actual service and have something to talk about. The DVC sales offices are there, they just took over a bunch of rooms near the desk. Easy to get there from Boardwalk. I'd make an appointment. Sometimes they pick you up, and they can validate your parking.

You could also do it on the phone in a few days, depending on where you are traveling from. In some states, they can't talk to you over the phone.

 

[stwaldman]

Plenty to talk about. Such as use years, splitting contracts, etc.

I reached out to my guide last time i was travelling to WDW (last December, so post covid), he effectively said they are converted to remote work for selling and that "in-person" visits are pretty much limited to the villa tours and kiosks that you don't need an appointment for. I'm sure if it means something to you and they smelled a sale, you can get ahold of somebody and they can walk through some info with you, but there is no appointment tour like there used to be and no shiny incentives for taking that tour like there used to be (unless they literally bring it back for this, which doesn't seem overly likely, but we've all be wrong before).

edited to acknowledge the above post, it sounds like there is more infrastructure at Riviera, I was staying on the monorail loop last time so my info was all via email.

 

[SusieQ93]

You could just use the chat feature on the DVC website to find out really quick. I used that before with no wait and it was helpful. I doubt you need an appointment. I feel like the people at those kiosks never have much to do and would be happy to help.