The VGF 2 pricing thread

[nuhusky123]

My point about 4 pages back....

Someone has to explain how blt incentives gets someone 150 points for $31,000

 

[Sandisw]

Someone has to explain how blt incentives gets someone 150 points for $31,000

I think the point was more that if DVD put These big incentives on a sold out resort at BLT..when they don’t need to sell 2 million points, then it’s a pretty great sign that VGF could come out closer to the RIV base price.

If they are willing to sell BLT close to $200/point..not for 150 points but 200 for existing owners…I think they will be willing to price VGF that way too.

 

[nuhusky123]

I think the point was more that if DVD put These big incentives on a sold out resort at BLT..when they don’t need to sell 2 million points, then it’s a pretty great sign that VGF could come out closer to the RIV base price.

If they are willing to sell BLT close to $200/point..not for 150 points but 200 for existing owners…I think they will be willing to price VGF that way too.

yeah I agree I see no scenario where dvc sells gfv for more than riv

 

[Jimmy Geppetto]

Not to drift too far off topic, but I don't understand why they don't get super aggressive with an Aulani promotion to sell that resort out. Sell it for $150 direct. I know at least one resale buyer who would take 150 at $150 to get the blue card.

Me. It's me. I would do that.

One perspective is they enjoy collecting top dollar on the cash rooms. Not sure I fully buy that, but it could make sense. Without knowing how much of Aulani is sold to date, it's tough to predict.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

Not to drift too far off topic, but I don't understand why they don't get super aggressive with an Aulani promotion to sell that resort out. Sell it for $150 direct. I know at least one resale buyer who would take 150 at $150 to get the blue card.

Me. It's me. I would do that.

I think Disney is fine with not ever selling out Aulani. I think they have no issues selling the remaining inventory as cash rooms and make their profits that way, probably forever.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

One perspective is they enjoy collecting top dollar on the cash rooms. Not sure I fully buy that, but it could make sense. Without knowing how much of Aulani is sold to date, it's tough to predict.

I think Disney is fine with not ever selling out Aulani. I think they have no issues selling the remaining inventory as cash rooms and make their profits that way, probably forever.

I thought they had trouble selling cash rooms, which is why they do aggressive discounting for locals.

 

[kandlsutton]

Can't walk to Epcot and HS from Riviera. You can walk to MK from VGF.

Only have to take a bus from RIV to 2 parks and bus rides aren't bad since RIV is more centrally located than VGF. From VGF, you need to take bus to 3 parks, unless you deem the 2 monorails, including wait times, to get to Epcot as more efficient than a bus.

VGF proximity to MK, now with walking path, can only be beat by BLT. Yes, BCV and BWV owners can walk to Epcot and Studios, but RIV has Skyliner to those parks and I (or my family) will still be a RIV owner in 2042 after BCV and BWV expire.

I own at both RIV and VGF and will do split stays to avoid bus transportation as much as I can. The Skyliner, even with its issues, still beats the bus and is our favorite transportation option because the line moves quickly and you don't have to wonder WHEN the next bus or monorail will pull up.

 

[SusieQ93]

Only have to take a bus from RIV to 2 parks and bus rides aren't bad since RIV is more centrally located than VGF. From VGF, you need to take bus to 3 parks, unless you deem the 2 monorails, including wait times, to get to Epcot as more efficient than a bus.

VGF proximity to MK, now with walking path, can only be beat by BLT. Yes, BCV and BWV owners can walk to Epcot and Studios, but RIV has Skyliner to those parks and I (or my family) will still be a RIV owner in 2042 after BCV and BWV expire.

I own at both RIV and VGF and will do split stays to avoid bus transportation as much as I can. The Skyliner, even with its issues, still beats the bus and is our favorite transportation option because the line moves quickly and you don't have to wonder WHEN the next bus or monorail will pull up.

How often (if ever) have you been staying and had the skyliner unavailable to you? This is my biggest concern with the skyliner. But it might seem like there’s more problems than there are. Not like anyone is going to post a story saying “the skyliner ran perfectly today with no problems!”

One thing I do like about the skyliner is that the stop at Epcot is at the international gateway which I much prefer to use for an Epcot entrance. You all have me second guessing my upcoming VGF2 purchase and are making me consider Riviera

 

[HIRyeDVC]

I thought they had trouble selling cash rooms, which is why they do aggressive discounting for locals.

who knows. Disney and the State of Hawaii has never been transparent about Aulani sales and occupancy rate. All I know is, everytime I stay at the resort, and I've stayed there 2-3 times a year, the CMs always tell me that the resort is 90-100% booked.

 

[Sandisw]

I thought they had trouble selling cash rooms, which is why they do aggressive discounting for locals.

Even discounted, they make the money off the points. And in exchange for the guarantee on dues they provide, they don’t pay MFs on points they own so what’s been declared but not sold really doesn’t cost them.

 

[davidl81]

who knows. Disney and the State of Hawaii has never been transparent about Aulani sales and occupancy rate. All I know is, everytime I stay at the resort, and I've stayed there 2-3 times a year, the CMs always tell me that the resort is 90-100% booked.

We own AUL after the big discount they did a few months ago and we just got back Sunday from a trip there. It was our 4th trip overall. It is always full there (but oddly less so this trip, but that may be due to an occupancy restriction from Hawaii). Overall though I think Aulani has no issues selling cash rooms thus they are in no rush to fire sale DVC points just to sell out the resort. They may offer some short term prices like they did a few months ago from time to time just to spark some sales, but overall I think they are happy as is.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

Even discounted, they make the money off the points. And in exchange for the guarantee on dues they provide, they don’t pay MFs on points they own so what’s been declared but not sold really doesn’t cost them.

And the house always wins!

 

[sndral]

Only have to take a bus from RIV to 2 parks and bus rides aren't bad since RIV is more centrally located than VGF. From VGF, you need to take bus to 3 parks, unless you deem the 2 monorails, including wait times, to get to Epcot as more efficient than a bus.
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Unless there’s an issue w/ the monorail you can’t take a bus to/from VGF/Epcot, you have to monorail hop, unless things have changed?
GF walk (or monorail or boat) to MK, bus to AK & DHS (2 parks bus only,) & monorail hop to Epcot.
Riviera walk to 0 parks, bus to AK & MK (2 parks bus only,) direct Skyliner to Epcot & Skyliner hop via CBR to DHS.
I personally enjoy riding the monorail, the Skyliner, & even the boats, the buses not so much.

 

[awatt]

A thought.

If from what I've read on this thread, Riv sales are not as robust as they want, and there are more Riv points yet to sell than VGF2, if they price VGF2 much higher then it makes Riv look like a relative bargain. Sells more Riv points, and there will still be those who want the smaller pool of VGF2 points anyway.

BTW I hope I am wrong.

 

[SusieQ93]

Unless there’s an issue w/ the monorail you can’t take a bus to/from VGF/Epcot, you have to monorail hop, unless things have changed?
GF walk (or monorail or boat) to MK, bus to AK & DHS (2 parks bus only,) & monorail hop to Epcot.
Riviera walk to 0 parks, bus to AK & MK (2 parks bus only,) direct Skyliner to Epcot & Skyliner hop via CBR to DHS.
I personally enjoy riding the monorail, the Skyliner, & even the boats, the buses not so much.

I don’t like the busses at all. When it was just me and my husband, we would Uber (except Magic Kingdom you’d need to get dropped off at contemporary and walk and I’m sure they’ve really cracked down on that). Now with a baby, busses are in our future for the foreseeable future. I don’t know why I hate the busses so much. I think I just have been spoiled by walking at Disneyland since I consider that my “home” resort.

 

[Sandisw]

A thought.

If from what I've read on this thread, Riv sales are not as robust as they want, and there are more Riv points yet to sell than VGF2, if they price VGF2 much higher then it makes Riv look like a relative bargain. Sells more Riv points, and there will still be those who want the smaller pool of VGF2 points anyway.

BTW I hope I am wrong.

I think the notion that RIV is not where they want is an assumption made here by some.

Pretty easy for DVD to have added better incentives if they wanted. I think when Covid hit their whole plan and goals changed..why IMO we are seeing this quick flip at VGF…

DVD doesn’t care what they sell. They just want to sell and if having an MK and Epcot/HS resort close in price, they guide new buyers to whichever resort fits their needs.

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

So what if when VGF2 goes on sale, Disney increases RIV prices up closer to whatever the VGF2 sale price will be, instead of lowering the initial VGF2 price to closer to the current RIV price? Can they increase RIV at anytime even though it just went up to $207?

As others have pointed out, they could, but for six years in a row they’ve increased the price of DVC approximately 3%. It seems like they’re very happy with that rate.

True but it’s on the gfv video. any normal person would then assume it’s specific to gfv especially the avg buyer less educated on dvc world

Not having a minimum buy in at the $31k price point could be considered deceptive advertising and run afoul of legal consequences

If you remember, upon further investigation, they been using that dollar figure in their ads for over a year.

it makes me nervous to put $31k into dvc given increasing financial headwinds. Perhaps best to sit on cash

If you think a recession is coming, I absolutely would not put money into DVC. DVC prices will not hold up well in a true extended recession. Buy at the bottom though! No reason to think they won’t rebound when the market turns back positive! They did the last 2 times!

who knows. Disney and the State of Hawaii has never been transparent about Aulani sales and occupancy rate. All I know is, everytime I stay at the resort, and I've stayed there 2-3 times a year, the CMs always tell me that the resort is 90-100% booked.

you can see all the Aulani sales you want, you just have to pay crazy amounts of money to see them online, or spend your vacation in Hawaii looking at horrible paper volumes of deeds. Orange County Florida makes the same data available for free online.

It wasn’t always like this with Aulani! You used to be able to see their sales online too! Been a bit though.

As for occupancy, Disney has historically never commented on that, and only recently has started putting total domestic hotel occupancy rates in their quarterly reports. Probably not gonna parse out Aulani hotel side occupancy from that.

Anyone who works at the front desk should have a pretty damn good sense of typical occupancy though, and I’m pretty sure some of those people post on the Aulani board here.

 

[Einstein509]

How often (if ever) have you been staying and had the skyliner unavailable to you?

This has happened to us several times and it was not pleasant.

 

[Nabas]

This has happened to us several times and it was not pleasant.

We’ve also been stranded a few times when the Skyliner shuts down due to a thunderstorm. The worst occurred at around 7 pm at Epcot when we waited 90 minutes in the pouring rain for a bus back to RIV.

A steady stream of buses for other hotels showed up during these 90 minutes. For example, I counted 6 POP buses, another Skyliner hotel. It seemed as if Disney had forgotten about RIV. The line for a RIV bus was incredibly long by the time a bus came. We spoke with a RIV supervisor when we finally got back. She apologized and said they were aware of the screw-up. They were dispatching multiple buses to get everyone back.

The Skyliner shuts down for thunderstorms, which happens frequently during the stormy summer months.

 

[nuhusky123]

We’ve also been stranded a few times when the Skyliner shuts down due to a thunderstorm. The worst occurred at around 7 pm at Epcot when we waited 90 minutes in the pouring rain for a bus back to RIV.

A steady stream of buses for other hotels showed up during these 90 minutes. For example, I counted 6 POP buses, another Skyliner hotel. It seemed as if Disney had forgotten about RIV. The line for a RIV bus was incredibly long by the time a bus came. We spoke with a RIV supervisor when we finally got back. She apologized and said they were aware of the screw-up. They were dispatching multiple buses to get everyone back.

The Skyliner shuts down for thunderstorms, which happens frequently during the stormy summer months.

Disney should build a walkway that connects directly to the backside of world showcase from riv

this would increase the value of riv exponentially and I’d argue make riv one of the best hotels location wise in wdw

of course won’t happen but Disney really should make walkways to all hotels given transit really sucks at wdw as a whole