The VGF 2 pricing thread

[nuhusky123]

But RIV has those restrictions. That right there may be a $48 difference.

And gfv has a shorter lifespan which further equalizes riv and gfv

 

[Marionnette]

And gfv has a shorter lifespan which further equalizes riv and gfv

And yet AUL, with even fewer years remaining and still in active sales, has the same base price as RIV.

 

[nuhusky123]

And yet AUL, with even fewer years remaining and still in active sales, has the same base price as RIV.

I don’t think we can compare aul against either riv or gfv.
1- in in Hawaii
2- beach
3- no wdw

it has no comps.

riv and gfv compete. Aul doesn’t compete against any wdw resort. aul Might compete against a Disneyland resort, might and really emphasize might. But not wdw, geographic distance is too far

heck it’s faster to get to Disneyland Paris from the east coast than it is aul

 

[Sandisw]

But RIV has those restrictions. That right there may be a $48 difference.

For current owners on these boards? Sure. For the average new owner?

Just have a hard time seeing how a DVC guide sells that

 

[Marionnette]

I don’t think we can compare aul against either riv or gfv.
1- in in Hawaii
2- beach
3- no wdw

it has no comps.

riv and gfv compete. Aul doesn’t compete against any wdw resort. aul Might compete against a Disneyland resort, might and really emphasize might. But not wdw, geographic distance is too far

heck it’s faster to get to Disneyland Paris from the east coast than it is aul

We're comparing DVC to DVC.

AUL, which has been in direct sales since July 2010 and is hands-down the slowest DVC resort to ever sell, is priced the same as RIV because...Hawaii?

Yet you will argue in circles that VGF2, the second phase of DVC's fastest selling resort with more years on its contract, should sell for the same price because...not Hawaii?

 

[nuhusky123]

For current owners on these boards? Sure. For the average new owner?

Just have a hard time seeing how a DVC guide sells that

That comes down to an extra $8 a point per year just for the longer contract. i don’t know what I’m having for lunch most days let alone past 2060

as a buyer I’ll just go with whatever is cheaper

 

[Sandisw]

That comes down to an extra $8 a point per year just for the longer contract. i don’t know what I’m having for lunch most days let alone past 2060

as a buyer I’ll just go with whatever is cheaper

It will be interesting to see the BLT sales numbers too. While it wasn’t promoted like VGF will be , if we see a nice jump in it, it could be a bit telling on what it takes to drive sales, which, IMO, is all DVD cares about in the end.

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

Am I wrong, or is buying a DVC contract actually a hedge against inflation?

Buying a timeshare is a bet that prices will rise significantly over time. If they don't, the NPV of your initial purchase is in the red.

Correct. Steeper inflation (vs your personal IRR) improves the value of your purchase.

That said I wouldn’t want to hold DVC if I had an intention of selling someday during a recession (which typically but not always go hand in hand with inflation). Luxury good prices don’t do well in recessions. If you plan to use the contract until it expires (or until you do), than it doesn’t matter.

 

[Bjaiken77]

My thought is that VGF should still be priced as a promoted resort with lots of points. Some people hate VGF. They love the vibe of Poly or WL. I, personally, think RIV is just as nice, if not nicer, than VGF. There are people on here that will wildly disagree with me.

I just hope it comes down to VGF is the on sale resort now, and it’s going to be priced aggressively to sell points. If so, I’ll be ready to buy. I might personally choose Poly over VGF if they had more than studios with queen sized beds and no murphy beds. I just want to be on the monorail loop with a few more years and flair than BLT.

 

[davidl81]

When VGF first went on sale BLT was the other “active” resort. Everyone in the board speculated that VGF would be so expensive etc, and it opened at a LOWER base price than BLT. VGF let the point chart do the work (more points per night needed) rather than a straight top line $pp. That has not changed, VGF rooms are still more points per night than any other DVC resort (although RIV does give it a run). That point chart is why IMO VGF2 opens at the same price that both other active DVC resorts are at ($207).

 

[nuhusky123]

When VGF first went on sale BLT was the other “active” resort. Everyone in the board speculated that VGF would be so expensive etc, and it opened at a LOWER base price than BLT. VGF let the point chart do the work (more points per night needed) rather than a straight top line $pp. That has not changed, VGF rooms are still more points per night than any other DVC resort (although RIV does give it a run). That point chart is why IMO VGF2 opens at the same price that both other active DVC resorts are at ($207).

just for fun new Prediction. Vgf opens lower than riv base price with awesome incentives and the point chart is the great equalizer

vgf sells like hot cakes because dvc prices vgf appropriately

 

[BWV Dreamin]

It will be interesting to see the BLT sales numbers too. While it wasn’t promoted like VGF will be , if we see a nice jump in it, it could be a bit telling on what it takes to drive sales, which, IMO, is all DVD cares about in the end.

They did mention on Pete Werner’s show that the last promo with BLT did amazingly well. And IMO, was a test for VGF2.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

just for fun new Prediction. Vgf opens lower than riv base price with awesome incentives and the point chart is the great equalizer

Lower than RIV? Dream on…….

 

[lowlight]

It will be interesting to see the BLT sales numbers too. While it wasn’t promoted like VGF will be , if we see a nice jump in it, it could be a bit telling on what it takes to drive sales, which, IMO, is all DVD cares about in the end.

I still think they are going to have quarterly/seasonal fire sales like they did with Aulani and BLT. Maybe based off what they’ve done heavy ROFRs on previously.

 

[DeeBee3]

I would use the word "rumor" in a very loose sense. I can't say confirmed because DVC will never admit to this stuff... Let's just see if there are backpacks around a few months from now. If so... someone can make me a dress out of backpacks and I'll wear it around the parks.

I can also tell you that direct guides have been fighting this decision tooth and nail.
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I will offer my backpack for part of the dress.

 

[Sandisw]

They did mention on Pete Werner’s show that the last promo with BLT did amazingly well. And IMO, was a test for VGF2.

I think so too and that is why I am getting the hints that VGF will open close to RIV because the incentives of BLT in essence did that.

 

[Sandisw]

When VGF first went on sale BLT was the other “active” resort. Everyone in the board speculated that VGF would be so expensive etc, and it opened at a LOWER base price than BLT. VGF let the point chart do the work (more points per night needed) rather than a straight top line $pp. That has not changed, VGF rooms are still more points per night than any other DVC resort (although RIV does give it a run). That point chart is why IMO VGF2 opens at the same price that both other active DVC resorts are at ($207).

And, I will add that shortly after the announcement, DVD raised the minimum from 125 for new buyers to 150…allows for a lower start price to pick it up in volume.

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

They did mention on Pete Werner’s show that the last promo with BLT did amazingly well. And IMO, was a test for VGF2.

How would they know that? There’s barely any February sales in the OC database yet.

 

[DeeBee3]

Happy March 1! 2 more days for all the interested parties.

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

Happy March 1! 2 more days for all the interested parties.

I think we’ll know tomorrow…