The Vaccine Discussion Thread

[Donna M]

This is good news. We are in the high risk group, so we should be towards the top of the list. I hope we can get it before our March trip. My sister worked for Johnson and Johnson and says their version is a single does which they are testing on 60,000 people world wide. They are also in stage 3.

To get back to "normal" will be so nice; these masks are getting old. I want to see people's smiles again.

 

[DisneYE]

Regrettably no. Disney has 6 times as many shareholders as RCL, so any benefit will be a major cash drain. They do offer collectible stock certificates!

Hey can you pls share where and who issues these collectible certificates? tia.

 

[brentm77]

Hey can you pls share where and who issues these collectible certificates? tia.

https://www.giveashare.com/disney-collectible-shareholder-certificate.shtml
The certs are currently 1/3 the price of one share of stock. Frankly, I don't see the point. They are customized, so I can't imagine future collectors valuing them. Your eating up a chunk of your future investment by getting one. They used to issue actual stock certificates, that you would send in if you wanted to sell your stock, and could even transfer to someone else by signing the back. These aren't the same thing. Your shares are still held in a brokerage account and these advertise to the world that you hold Disney stock. You could buy shares and make your own certificate to hang if that is the goal.

 

[ofcabbagesandkings]

The last time I cruised without a mask I got the flu. I’m thinking a mask will be a part of my wardrobe during flu season. They’re so stylish.

If I ever go back to commuting on the NYC subway during rush hour (unlikely) or traveling during peak flu season like Xmas - New Years week, wearing a mask and carrying hand sanitizer will definitely be part of my routine. So much of this year has been terrible, but you know what hasn't? Not getting a cold nearly once a month from October - April. I just sort of accepted getting sick all the time as part of the price of living in the city. Even once we moved abroad to a tropical locale, we would still get sick from our steady stream of houseguests bringing us their colds from the States. Of course, now that I just said that, I'll probably jinx myself and catch a cold from someone local.

 

[Intr3pid]

No time to waste, it seems. Cruise lines are reporting a surge in new bookings after the vaccine news:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/10/cru...cine-news-norwegian-cruise-line-ceo-says.html

 

[Intr3pid]

Hey can you pls share where and who issues these collectible certificates? tia.

https://www.giveashare.com/disney-collectible-shareholder-certificate.shtml
The certs are currently 1/3 the price of one share of stock. Frankly, I don't see the point. They are customized, so I can't imagine future collectors valuing them. Your eating up a chunk of your future investment by getting one. They used to issue actual stock certificates, that you would send in if you wanted to sell your stock, and could even transfer to someone else by signing the back. These aren't the same thing. Your shares are still held in a brokerage account and these advertise to the world that you hold Disney stock. You could buy shares and make your own certificate to hang if that is the goal.

That's right - they cost $50 each. You don't have to buy them for every share you own. Just get one or two and frame them on the wall.

Here is where/how to order them:
https://disney.computershare.com/

 

[DCLPrincess]

That's right - they cost $50 each. You don't have to buy them for every share you own. Just get one or two and frame them on the wall.

Here is where/how to order them:
https://disney.computershare.com/

You use to get one free when you purchased shares.

 

[LizzyDragon]

This is good news. We are in the high risk group, so we should be towards the top of the list. I hope we can get it before our March trip. My sister worked for Johnson and Johnson and says their version is a single does which they are testing on 60,000 people world wide. They are also in stage 3.

I'd be surprised if you get one before March. If Pfizer does apply for the EUA in the third week of November, the FDA still needs to review and approve the application. I've not seen an estimate of how long that would take, although I'm sure it would be faster than normal. I'm guessing it'll probably be done by the end of the year. The FDA has put out a recommendation that they want to see a median of two months of follow-up on participants before moving to a full authorization. So, the end of Feburary is probably the absolute earliest that a vaccine might get full authorization to distribute to the public.

The US has an order for 100 million doses. Since Pfizer's version requires everyone to get two doses, that's enough for 50 million people. I think Pfizer's estimate that wide distribution will be available in Q3 2021 is a reasonable guess, and I wouldn't count on getting one before then unless you're front-line medical staff. The Pfizer version is also going to be a logistical nightmare to distribute- the doses have to be kept at -80C/-112F. It wouldn't surprise me if we see a (hopefully rare) headline that some doses go bad at some point because a freezer leaked or something like that.

The good news is that there's 10 other vaccine candidates that are also in phase 3 (like the J+J one). If some of those get approved early in the next year, that'll help with getting vaccines out to everyone. The fact that Pfizer is getting 90% efficacy is fantastic, and I hope that number holds as more people get it.

 

[DCLPrincess]

It says it's 90% effective but how do they know that people didn't get covid because of the vaccine or just because they weren't exposed to it. If you look at the percentage of people in the US who have had covid it's less than 10%. So 90% of the country hasn't gotten covid without having had a vaccine.

 

[Starwind]

It says it's 90% effective but how do they know that people didn't get covid because of the vaccine or just because they weren't exposed to it. If you look at the percentage of people in the US who have had covid it's less than 10%. So 90% of the country hasn't gotten covid without having had a vaccine.

The base assumption seems to be that the volunteers who received the placebo and those who received the actual vaccine have an equal chance of being exposed to the virus.

Of the approx 40,000 volunteers in the trial, half got placeebo and half got the actual vaccine.

So for, 94 have developed symptoms of covid AND tested positive. Of those, 90% were people who received the placebo.

Yes, that is 94 out of 40,000.

Also, apparently they are not testing for covid unless the people develop symptoms, so they do not know how many might be infected but asymptomatic [and possibly or not contagious].

 

[DisneYE]

That's right - they cost $50 each. You don't have to buy them for every share you own. Just get one or two and frame them on the wall.

Here is where/how to order them:
https://disney.computershare.com/

Thank you & @brentm77
Is what I wanted to do.
Wanted to get my DD into stocks and as a motivation I wanted to buy for her upcoming birthday a few Disney shares & have a certificate.
So, a one time certificate stating "x" number of shares and her name on it.

 

[tvguy]

This is good news. We are in the high risk group, so we should be towards the top of the list. I hope we can get it before our March trip. My sister worked for Johnson and Johnson and says their version is a single does which they are testing on 60,000 people world wide. They are also in stage 3.

To get back to "normal" will be so nice; these masks are getting old. I want to see people's smiles again.

I've been reading that it may take well into the third quarter of 2021 before healthcare workers all get their vaccines, IF it pans out. Only then can high risk folks get it. And if a vaccine is a cruise requirement, your non-high risk shipmates will be even further down the list. So unless you are talking March 2022, I am pretty sure this isn't going to happen.

 

[tvguy]

Does DCL offer an OBC if you own stock.

I've owned my Disney stock since 1987, long before DCL launched. Back then there were discounts at the parks for stockholders, but those went away at least 25 years ago. I do get a nice dividend check and my $1,100 investment is now worth $17,000, so I guess I can't complain.

 

[MomOTwins]

disney dropped to $79 with the closure. Anyone who bought it then is sitting pretty today.
Actually, anyone who bought in March/April, is doing ok regardless of which stock they threw the dice with.
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We bought a ton of it at $80. My DH took some persuading but I told him Disney will always land on its feet.

 

[godisney14]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pfizer-inc-pfe-chairman-ceo-001511415.html

Just like executives at some of the other biopharma companies, Pfizer CEO cashed out by having a stock sale “planned” right when news about their good results came out.
Do these people really take retail investors as idiots? As if they couldn’t have “planned” when to announce results so that it doesn’t coincide with a “planned” stock sale.

 

[anricat]

I've been reading that it may take well into the third quarter of 2021 before healthcare workers all get their vaccines, IF it pans out. Only then can high risk folks get it. And if a vaccine is a cruise requirement, your non-high risk shipmates will be even further down the list. So unless you are talking March 2022, I am pretty sure this isn't going to happen.

I dunno, Fauci said in an interview that he believes that the other vaccine candidates will be following rather quickly (this success means that other vaccines that are developed using similar technology should be effective as well) and that by April, anyone who wants a vaccine should be able to get one by then. I know he can't predict the future, but he's also a smart guy and knows a lot about this stuff so I'm optimistic we're seeing a more normal life by next summer (not totally normal, but closer).

 

[tvguy]

I dunno, Fauci said in an interview that he believes that the other vaccine candidates will be following rather quickly (this success means that other vaccines that are developed using similar technology should be effective as well) and that by April, anyone who wants a vaccine should be able to get one by then. I know he can't predict the future, but he's also a smart guy and knows a lot about this stuff so I'm optimistic we're seeing a more normal life by next summer (not totally normal, but closer).

We certainly can hope. But if there are no hangups they are saying just making enough vaccine for medical staff will take until June. It would be the shortest time needed to develop, manufacture and distribute a vaccine in history.

 

[pjacobi]

The Pfizer version is also going to be a logistical nightmare to distribute- the doses have to be kept at -80C/-112F. It wouldn't surprise me if we see a (hopefully rare) headline that some doses go bad at some point because a freezer leaked or something like that.

If Walmart can't keep ice-cream cold, how are they ever going to keep a vaccine this cold!

It would be impossible to roll out this vaccine in a 3rd world country.

It's a start but still a long, long road ahead!


-Paul

 

[LizzyDragon]

If Walmart can't keep ice-cream cold, how are they ever going to keep a vaccine this cold!

I read that Pfizer designed coolers for these vaccines. Manufacturers of things like dry ice are ramping up production for the expected spike in demand. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.

 

[Starwind]

Pfizer is also apparently working on a powder version of the vaccine, which won't need to be kept as cold - though they haven't said what its storage requirements are likely to be.