The star wars spoiler thread

[Disney Von Drake]

 

[Whatsthegoodword]

I really liked almost all the acting...

But I feel that Disney was very disingenuous as to what it was...which was a pure reboot.

They knew it would lower the take...and dull the fever leading up...so they hid it. The "secrecy" was to hide the films reboot nature...not to protect against "spoilers"

I think that core older fanbase that they were desperately tying to get back for this after prequels - and largely did - are going to be far more critical of the next film. It needs to be a good, mostly original story...not another episode of scooby doo.

REALLY??? This is such a cynical thing to say. There were lots of spoilers in the film, all of which I'm glad I didn't know going in. As a SW fan, the only part of the film that I found to be overly repetitive was Death Star #3. I thought the rest of the film was as original as any film ever is.

Logic, I agree with a lot that you say on this board, but much of the rest of it is so cynical and dripping with disdain.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

REALLY??? This is such a cynical thing to say. There were lots of spoilers in the film, all of which I'm glad I didn't know going in. As a SW fan, the only part of the film that I found to be overly repetitive was Death Star #3. I thought the rest of the film was as original as any film ever is.

Logic, I agree with a lot that you say on this board, but much of the rest of it is so cynical and dripping with disdain.

You're reading far too much here...

Do I think the average wdw customer has been letting them rob them?
Do I think Joe rohde is a money wasting schmuck?
Do I think that after all the anti-Eisner sentiment (me too) around 2003, that Iger may have been worse for JUST WDW on the whole and they are vulnerable to competiton and their own prices?

Yes...guilty as charged...I plead mercy on the court...

But...overall I like the way Disney, Abrams, etc handled the movie...like 85% fresh.

But look at what I typed...not my reviews of Le cellier and the dining plan and tell me the criticism isn't legit?

Many hardcore Star Wars fans wanted a great new one far more than I have said the same. Good acting...but much the same jokes, same action, same story parts.

I still really liked it. But it is a reboot. And that's ok. But it is what it is.

I think it sets up well for 2...and I want to see what they build in studios and Disneyland...
Mission:accomplished, right?

But I still and will always reject the "how dare you doubt the mouse?" (If that's where this is going)...it's unhealthy.

 

[Aurora0427]

Logic? Cynical??? NEVER!!!!

You can be cynical logic, but I get from where it comes. You make some excellent points.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Logic? Cynical??? NEVER!!!!

You can be cynical logic, but I get from where it comes. You make some excellent points.

I wear the cynic mantel with pride...

But far too many people fall for the puns, metaphors and alliterations...and don't take the point for what it is and where it comes from.

 

[twebber55]

I wear the cynic mantel with pride...

But far too many people fall for the puns, metaphors and alliterations...and don't take the point for what it is and where it comes from.

nah you re just a guy who brings a little levity
much needed if you ask me

 

[Disco]

Eh, it was OK but not great. It was definitely one of the funniest SW movies though.
Things I liked:
Old characters
Most of the new characters
Humor
Stormtrooper becoming a good guy
New sleeker Stormtroopes
Chrome Stormtrooper
Two seater TIE fighter
New smaller sleeker X-wings
Detail they put into the Falcon interior
BB8
Setting (Crashed Star Destroyer)

Things I didn't like:
New bad guy is a wussy
Super Death Star
Nonchalance plans to destroy Star Killer
Had to make a Nazi connection with First Order
A janitor does damage to a Sith in lightsaber combat!
Rey learns advanced Jedi powers in hours and defeats Kylo
Why are they called the Resistance?
X-wing shooting Stormtroopers standing next to you while dogfighting
Maz Katana
Maz Katana has Luke's lightsaber
Maz Katana's bar busy inside but deserted outside
Falcon seemed awfully easy to steal
Map to find Luke plot
Needed more than Xwings (A,B or Y-wings)
No Wedge or Lando
Two kids are running the First Order

 

[Budshark]

Eh, it was OK but not great. It was definitely one of the funniest SW movies though.

Things I didn't like:
New bad guy is a wussy
Super Death Star
Nonchalance plans to destroy Star Killer
Had to make a Nazi connection with First Order
A janitor does damage to a Sith in lightsaber combat!
Rey learns advanced Jedi powers in hours and defeats Kylo
Why are they called the Resistance?
X-wing shooting Stormtroopers standing next to you while dogfighting
Maz Katana
Maz Katana has Luke's lightsaber
Maz Katana's bar busy inside but deserted outside
Falcon seemed awfully easy to steal
Map to find Luke plot
Needed more than Xwings (A,B or Y-wings)
No Wedge or Lando
Two kids are running the First Order

A lot of these are addressed in the new canon expanded universe...
Basically after the 2nd Death Star destruction, the remaining planets were weary and tired of war. So they signed a non-proliferation treaty with the remnants of the Empire and exiled them to the outer rim.
Leia quickly lost faith in the new Republic and doubted the Empire was gone.
The Resistance was formed, with no backing of the New Republic. They are best described as a militia armed by a few small systems aligned with Leia.
The lack of firepower is because only the updated X-wing is available to be purchased due to the non-proliferation rules
First Order "kids" - probably more back story here.

There's some theories about Rey, beyond just the "offspring" thought. Possibly she was early in her training, the isolation in Jakku cleared her mind and made it open.

 

[jade1]

A lot of these are addressed in the new canon expanded universe...
Basically after the 2nd Death Star destruction, the remaining planets were weary and tired of war. So they signed a non-proliferation treaty with the remnants of the Empire and exiled them to the outer rim.
Leia quickly lost faith in the new Republic and doubted the Empire was gone.
The Resistance was formed, with no backing of the New Republic. They are best described as a militia armed by a few small systems aligned with Leia.
The lack of firepower is because only the updated X-wing is available to be purchased due to the non-proliferation rules
First Order "kids" - probably more back story here.

There's some theories about Rey, beyond just the "offspring" thought. Possibly she was early in her training, the isolation in Jakku cleared her mind and made it open.

Wow-nice update.

as Roseanne Roseannadanna would say, "oh, never mind".

Would be too much to ask and have your response "scrolled" in the beginning of FA?

 

[FlightlessDuck]

But I feel that Disney was very disingenuous as to what it was...which was a pure reboot.

No... it really isn't

Fan4stic is a reboot.
Spider-Man (again) is a reboot.
Rob Zombie's Halloween is a reboot.

This isn't a reboot. Similar story/visuals, sure. Not a reboot. If it were a reboot, we'd be starting over. New Luke, Leia, Han. Old movies wouldn't be canon. That's not what happening.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

No... it really isn't

Fan4stic is a reboot.
Spider-Man (again) is a reboot.
Rob Zombie's Halloween is a reboot.

This isn't a reboot. Similar story/visuals, sure. Not a reboot. If it were a reboot, we'd be starting over. New Luke, Leia, Han. Old movies wouldn't be canon. That's not what happening.

So taking the basic story line...50% of the same jokes, and making updates copies/facsimiles of the same characters due to age doesn't qualify as a reboot to you? Not a little?

It's not like they dramatically blew up a planet of "good guys" in the middle or anything...

Seems like your parsing using technical points and note taking a realistic approach here...just my opinion.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

So taking the basic story line...50% of the same jokes, and making updates copies/facsimiles of the same characters due to age doesn't qualify as a reboot to you?

Same story? Sure. Same jokes? Not that I really noticed.

But I don't consider these to be the same characters. I mean... maybe Rey and Luke a little? Maybe?

Luke = "orphan" stuck on a desert planet who wants to leave and go on adventures. Turns out he is a force sensitive.
Rey = orphan stuck on a desert planet who is waiting for her family to return. Turns out she is a force sensitive.

Poe = Former Republic Navy pilot who joins the Resistance when he determines the Republic doesn't believe the First Order is a real threat. Might be force sensitive.

Finn = Former stormtrooper who deserts because his brainwashing does't work. Might be force sensitive.

Hux = Child of a Imperial training commander who grows up as part of the First Order and rises to power.

Kylo Ren = Dumb kid angry about something unknown who gets suckered into turning to the Dark Side, but sort of doesn't really want to.
A emo version of Darth Vader, only with second thoughts? Maybe?

BB-8 = R2-D2 ... I guess. Although a droid's a droid.

 

[Eoghann]

So taking the basic story line...50% of the same jokes, and making updates copies/facsimiles of the same characters due to age doesn't qualify as a reboot to you? Not a little?

It's not like they dramatically blew up a planet of "good guys" in the middle or anything...

Seems like your parsing using technical points and note taking a realistic approach here...just my opinion.

I don't think we have a word for what it is yet. For it to be a reboot it would have to reset continuity which it didn't.

It's more of a bootquel...

 

[Disco]

A lot of these are addressed in the new canon expanded universe...
Basically after the 2nd Death Star destruction, the remaining planets were weary and tired of war. So they signed a non-proliferation treaty with the remnants of the Empire and exiled them to the outer rim.
Leia quickly lost faith in the new Republic and doubted the Empire was gone.
The Resistance was formed, with no backing of the New Republic. They are best described as a militia armed by a few small systems aligned with Leia.
The lack of firepower is because only the updated X-wing is available to be purchased due to the non-proliferation rules
First Order "kids" - probably more back story here.

There's some theories about Rey, beyond just the "offspring" thought. Possibly she was early in her training, the isolation in Jakku cleared her mind and made it open.

See if they included all this stuff in the movie, it might have actually been good. I still don't buy that an exiled "Empire" would have the resources to build a giant Death Star, much less secretly, even if they were left alone. That and the way the Star Killer operated made no sense. It needs to suck all the energy from the "sun" (they missed that one in the movie) to fire. Yet the first time it fires there is clearly "sun"light. That and the whole shotgun 6 planets in one shot and everyone can see it was just ridiculous.
Not to mention the "Resistance" is able to discover where it is, scout it out, figure out how to destroy it without any technical data, fly all the way across the galaxy to actually destroy it and all before it can fire again. Felt like JJ was just trying to one up all the original cool SW ideas which is a little childish.
My second biggest gripe is the search for Luke thing. the whole map thing didn't make sense. Han and Leia would have and should have been the only ones who knew where he was and would have had his lightsaber.
Even with all that it was a decent movie, probably because of the humor. Sort of the Voyage Home to the Wrath of Khan (Empire Strikes back).

 

[Disco]

I don't think we have a word for what it is yet. For it to be a reboot it would have to reset continuity which it didn't.

It's more of a bootquel...

LOL Bootquel!

 

[jade1]

See if they included all this stuff in the movie, it might have actually been good. I still don't buy that an exiled "Empire" would have the resources to build a giant Death Star, much less secretly, even if they were left alone. That and the way the Star Killer operated made no sense. It needs to suck all the energy from the "sun" (they missed that one in the movie) to fire. Yet the first time it fires there is clearly "sun"light. That and the whole shotgun 6 planets in one shot and everyone can see it was just ridiculous.
Not to mention the "Resistance" is able to discover where it is, scout it out, figure out how to destroy it without any technical data, fly all the way across the galaxy to actually destroy it and all before it can fire again. Felt like JJ was just trying to one up all the original cool SW ideas which is a little childish.
My second biggest gripe is the search for Luke thing. the whole map thing didn't make sense. Han and Leia would have and should have been the only ones who knew where he was and would have had his lightsaber.
Even with all that it was a decent movie, probably because of the humor. Sort of the Voyage Home to the Wrath of Khan (Empire Strikes back).

You do realize its all made up (even the originals), and not actually true correct?

 

[Budshark]

See if they included all this stuff in the movie, it might have actually been good. I still don't buy that an exiled "Empire" would have the resources to build a giant Death Star, much less secretly, even if they were left alone. That and the way the Star Killer operated made no sense. It needs to suck all the energy from the "sun" (they missed that one in the movie) to fire. Yet the first time it fires there is clearly "sun"light. That and the whole shotgun 6 planets in one shot and everyone can see it was just ridiculous.
Not to mention the "Resistance" is able to discover where it is, scout it out, figure out how to destroy it without any technical data, fly all the way across the galaxy to actually destroy it and all before it can fire again. Felt like JJ was just trying to one up all the original cool SW ideas which is a little childish.
My second biggest gripe is the search for Luke thing. the whole map thing didn't make sense. Han and Leia would have and should have been the only ones who knew where he was and would have had his lightsaber.
Even with all that it was a decent movie, probably because of the humor. Sort of the Voyage Home to the Wrath of Khan (Empire Strikes back).

This is where the argument falls apart... its an entertainment property of science fiction. Not a factual representation of science wrapped in entertainment.

So it made sense that Anakin Skywalkers secret son was hidden on Anakin's home planet under the name Luke Skywalker with a cousin of Anakin who Anakin had met?

It made sense that not only was there a Clone army secretly developed, but that army had supporting equipment necessary to engage full scale transport and war actions immediately after it was discovered?

It made sense that a giant armored space station could blow up a planet, and then magically appear on the other side of the universe within days/weeks BUT once it arrived it took it 15+ minutes to complete the orbit around a planet to get into firing range?

ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO MAKE SENSE! Its supposed to be fun. When you try to make sense out of this gibberish you ruin it. Stop ruining my extended childhood! BAH!

 

[jade1]

This is where the argument falls apart... its an entertainment property of science fiction. Not a factual representation of science wrapped in entertainment.

So it made sense that Anakin Skywalkers secret son was hidden on Anakin's home planet under the name Luke Skywalker with a cousin of Anakin who Anakin had met?

It made sense that not only was there a Clone army secretly developed, but that army had supporting equipment necessary to engage full scale transport and war actions immediately after it was discovered?

It made sense that a giant armored space station could blow up a planet, and then magically appear on the other side of the universe within days/weeks BUT once it arrived it took it 15+ minutes to complete the orbit around a planet to get into firing range?

ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO MAKE SENSE! Its supposed to be fun. When you try to make sense out of this gibberish you ruin it. Stop ruining my extended childhood! BAH!

Exactly. And there's probably 3 hours on the cutting room floor. Some explaining that the Storm Trooper raised from birth of course knew where the Death Star was, and where on that planet the weak spots were and that the Resistance could figure out from that information, which areas would likely create a chain reaction, and yes use "hyperspace" to get "all the way across the galaxy" (this is another thing that really is not true). I'm OK with the map, he had to be somewhere hard to find in the story-yet found to help going forward. The light saber was lost in the clouds, no reason Han or Leia would have it, Luke if anybody-plus then Kylo would have had it. That would not have been as cool at all as Rey touching it, and it going to Rey in the battle. As for the sun, they were not clear about if the weapon could store the suns energy. Maybe the first time it was gradually energized-but then they were in a hurry to fire again and used the live energize capacity.

 

[PrincessWithABlaster]

Hmmm, the discussion of the map and light saber here has me thinking. I wonder if the reason that Rey was able to defeat Kylo had something to do with the light saber itself. I think Luke left the map with R2. Maybe he left the light saber with Maz for Rey to find and its modified with some Sith Kryptonite or Force link to Luke and he 'helped out.'

 

[crazy4wdw]

See if they included all this stuff in the movie, it might have actually been good. I still don't buy that an exiled "Empire" would have the resources to build a giant Death Star, much less secretly, even if they were left alone. That and the way the Star Killer operated made no sense. It needs to suck all the energy from the "sun" (they missed that one in the movie) to fire. Yet the first time it fires there is clearly "sun"light. That and the whole shotgun 6 planets in one shot and everyone can see it was just ridiculous.
Not to mention the "Resistance" is able to discover where it is, scout it out, figure out how to destroy it without any technical data, fly all the way across the galaxy to actually destroy it and all before it can fire again.

It also doesn't make sense that it took 20 years to build the first death star but the second one was built in 3 to 4 years (not sure of the timeline between episode 4 & 6).