The star wars spoiler thread

[Whatsthegoodword]

Personally, neither I nor my DH was impressed and we have been watching the Star Wars movies since the beginning. All Finn did was run around most of the time. Like the Rey character. My son kept shouting out "where's Mark Hammil?" during the movie, so he was disappointed that he didn't see Mark until the last 30 seconds of the movie. I was just expecting more/something better. Have no desire to see it again until it comes on TV.

There's not much of Luke in the film because we moviegoers expect him to step in and BE THE STAR, FIX THE PROBLEM. That's what Luke does. SO, in order to introduce new characters, dispatch Han, etc, we have to keep Luke sidelined. To make the Galaxy more interesting, we need new characters. We need to get to know those new characters and we have done that now. The minute Luke steps in, the story becomes about him.

 

[kbelle8995]

I don't think "masked Jerk wagon" was what they were going for completely.

This statement alone was worth reading this thread for. Seriously I can't stop giggling over this.

 

[Eoghann]

shouldve left the mask on
seems a little bit of a whuss

They guy punched his wounds to stoke his anger during his fight. That's hardly "wussy" is it?

Yes he's absolutely whiny and rebellious and out of control. That's part of what makes him dangerous. He's incredibly powerful with no self-control. Basically he's what Anakin should have been in the prequels.

Taking the mask off is part of this, showing that he's a wannabe. He worships Vader but he's not Vader, not yet at least.

 

[k5jm]

Yes, this! It is one of the main things I noticed as a give away. Several times in the movie.

The way JTW starts his scoring of the movies is by going to spotting sessions with the director, producer, etc and he gets story plots, and additional exposition from the director while viewing rough cuts of the film. JTW knows more than what is just in the screenplay and if you are doing a Wagnerian style score (ie "The Ring Cycle" which was actually written and scored in reverse so that you could hear all the proper leitmotifs throughout the whole work) you may become aware of upcoming plot points. Not that we did not know what was going to happen to Anakin in TPM, but Anakin's theme is based on the Imperial March. You may not hear it, but you could lay the Imperial March right down on top of Anakin's theme and there are always the foreboding sounds of the Imperial March that get played for Anakin.

 

[rteetz]

Jurassic world congratulated Star Wars

http://wdwnt.com/blog/2015/12/juras...box-office-champ-star-wars-the-force-awakens/

 

[Flyerjab]

For me, Kylo Ren was depicted perfectly and this is where I applaud the creative team that put this movie together. Over the past several decades movie-goers have grown to love the anti-hero. We love the flawed star (i.e. John Mclane from Die Hard always comes to mind). This is a totally different take on that concept in that Kylo Ren is a flawed villain - he is incomplete. I think people forget that during A New Hope, Vader was in his prime as a Jedi. He was far from an apprentice, he was powerful, but he definitely came across as in control. People feared him but not because he was wildly erratic; he was calculating.

Ren is not that. He is still young and he is still an apprentice. Also, he is clearly struggling between the light and dark side up until that key moment on the bridge. He confronted his father, just as Luke did in Empire, but in this case, he faced his father and killed him outright, defenseless, and in cold blood. He is now ready to take the next step and complete his training. J.J. Abrahms and company could have taken the easy way out and made him a carbon copy of Vader in every way. That would have been a mistake. This creates much more tension as you didn't always know how he would react. Also, he clearly worshiped his grandfather; but on the flip side, he obviously was not as far down the path to being the Sith that Vader was. It was evident in the mask that he wore. He even had it distort his voice, but what was great was how vapid and empty it sounded when he spoke. When Vader talked, his voice had a cold menace to it, which was enhanced with the steady breathing sounds. Again, this enforced for me the fact that Kylo worshiped his grandfather to the point that he tried to emulate him in every way, but came up short. Not to say that he wasn't a frightening character, because he was, it was just for different reasons.

Removal of the mask was necessary as far as I was concerned. The one great thing is that Adam Driver was excellent in displaying a range of emotion on screen. For that moment on the bridge with Han, and for the moment with Rey in the forest, you needed his mask to be removed. You needed to see that emotion, and he pulled it off brilliantly.

The flawed villain...I loved it.

 

[wilkeliza]

There's not much of Luke in the film because we moviegoers expect him to step in and BE THE STAR, FIX THE PROBLEM. That's what Luke does. SO, in order to introduce new characters, dispatch Han, etc, we have to keep Luke sidelined. To make the Galaxy more interesting, we need new characters. We need to get to know those new characters and we have done that now. The minute Luke steps in, the story becomes about him.

JJ actually said in an interview that they did have Luke come in early in several versions of the script (sounded like they did a lot of shooting, rewriting, and re-shooting on this one) and every time as soon as Mark Hamill stepped foot into a scene it felt like it was Luke's story again and not Rey and Finn's. So they went back to the drawing board and decided since they needed to make us feel for these new characters Luke was missing and wouldn't be discovered until the very end. Originally he was discovered much earlier in the film just like Poe was suppose to die in the crash in the beginning but then they realized 1. they liked the guy who plays Poe and 2. They needed the trio like in the originals.

 

[Teamubr]

9 movies? This is the Golden Goose that Disney (now that Lucas is no longer providing input) will cash in as long as they generate revenue.

No doubt Disney will milk this as long as they can. Certainly beyond my life time and I'm only 50.

I wonder how much Disney is staying to the original plot concepts Lucas laid out 40 years ago. Not every detail, but basic concepts. You could still have episode 9 wrap up the current story line of the original Lucas concept and keep making movies based on new, never conceived evils. Surely Snoke and the dark side can't be the only bad thing in a galaxy far, far away.

j

 

[twebber55]

They guy punched his wounds to stoke his anger during his fight. That's hardly "wussy" is it?

Yes he's absolutely whiny and rebellious and out of control. That's part of what makes him dangerous. He's incredibly powerful with no self-control. Basically he's what Anakin should have been in the prequels.

Taking the mask off is part of this, showing that he's a wannabe. He worships Vader but he's not Vader, not yet at least.

we just disagree no big deal
i did think the uncontrolled anger part was cool and something to build off of

 

[wilkeliza]

No doubt Disney will milk this as long as they can. Certainly beyond my life time and I'm only 50.

I wonder how much Disney is staying to the original plot concepts Lucas laid out 40 years ago. Not every detail, but basic concepts. You could still have episode 9 wrap up the current story line of the original Lucas concept and keep making movies based on new, never conceived evils. Surely Snoke and the dark side can't be the only bad thing in a galaxy far, far away.

j

Seeing as they are making a separate movie that is in the universe but not a story line following Epsiodes 1-9 I can imagine they will finish this at 9 and then follow those other stories.

 

[Budshark]

we just disagree no big deal

You like the movies. You think Ren was perfect. You will go back and see them no less than 3 times.
And drop the weapon.
(In my best Rey impersonation)

 

[cvjpirate]

You like the movies. You think Ren was perfect. You will go back and see them no less than 3 times.
And drop the weapon.
(In my best Rey impersonation)

Ren is perfect
Yes I will see it a 3rd time this coming Sunday
Clang clang

couldn't help myself

 

[mollmoll4]

I am admittedly a casual Star Wars fan - but I feel the need to weigh in on the Kylo Ren discussion. Leaving the theater I actually said to my husband "I was deeply disturbed by that fight in the woods where he kept hitting his side!" I think they are setting him up to be an absolutely deranged individual. I'm excited/terrified to see where they take that character next

 

[Spacedog1975]

I want to see Kylo Ren killed. I want to see him murdered in his stupid face. I do not want to see a redemption story. I want him to suffer.

 

[wilkeliza]

I want to see Kylo Ren killed. I want to see him murdered in his stupid face. I do not want to see a redemption story. I want him to suffer.

Wow that is a little aggressive.

 

[Spacedog1975]

Wow that is a little aggressive.

Keep in mind that he's a fictional character. I don't advocate violence and murder in the real world, but I have absolutely zero interest in seeing him redeemed. I'm heartily sorry that Rey didn't maim him further. Somebody needs to put him down.

 

[Spacedog1975]

Seeing as they are making a separate movie that is in the universe but not a story line following Epsiodes 1-9 I can imagine they will finish this at 9 and then follow those other stories.

There is still value to "numbered" Star Wars episodes. Episodes 7-9 as constructed stray from Lucas' framework, by his own indication.
I think they'd want Episode X to be an event, so I wouldn't be surprised if several years pass between IX and X. I doubt very much that Disney would resist the lure of moving forward with new episodes.

 

[Budshark]

C

Keep in mind that he's a fictional character. I don't advocate violence and murder in the real world, but I have absolutely zero interest in seeing him redeemed. I'm heartily sorry that Rey didn't maim him further. Somebody needs to put him down.

Chewie - is that you?

 

[ParrotBill]

Saw it at the 7 movie Marathon Thursday and again Friday and will see it a 3rd and likely 4th time in theaters. Near perfect to me.

I was pleasantly surprised by how likeable or interesting all the new people are. Great emotion. Fan Service movie? Yes of course. If it wasn't we would complain about the lack of it. What amazes me is the story is easy enough to follow on the surface but complex underneath. So many things were interpreted differently by many of us. That's part of the staying power - there is enough to interpret and speculate on to keep us all busy until the next one. So many people walked out of the movie asking so many questions - yet the answers are there, if not explicitly then for you to decide.

I definitely walked out of my first viewing saying Rey is Luke's daughter and wanting to know who her mother is and why she was left alone.
I want to know about the training of the children and Ben's betrayal.
Loved the better ground fights and fighter dogfights.
Loved the humor. Very few pratfalls. Many inside jokes for fans - not funny unless you know the past movies.
Many great character building moments - "Stop holding my hand!" and then she ends up grabbing his hand. Poe: How do we do this? You talk first? me? Can't understand you with the mask thing going on". Even the moment with the two Troopers turning around to avoid a Kylo rage was funny.
Kylo - Troubled, ragged, undisciplined, emotional, imperfect.... was perfect!
Fin - fun, great way to start the story and engage us wanting him to succeed escaping his life
Millenium Falcon - best moment of the movie - that piece of junk? The junk will do! and there it is...
Han & Chewie - well done bringing them back into it, and good to see Chewie go badass

Rey - how can you not love her? How is she so strong in the force? Well I bet she was trained when she was little, and has the personal power self train much as Luke did once he became aware. She IS the awakening of the Force, and I believe she is being watched and helped by Yoda, Obiwan, and Anakin now... as we saw in the moment of contact with Luke's lightsaber.

My reaction to R2's shut down - I think he shut himself down to work on the map. HE produced the majority of the map, and it was BB-8 making contact and revealing he had a part of the map that make him wake up - because now he could find Luke.

The little buts...
I don't want to see any more planet killers.
Questionable science can kill a movie for me, but the planetkiller and map issues did not bother me much.
Why did Fin handle a lightsaber well? Against Ren? No explanation but I forgive this one oversight unless there is a future explanation.
And I hope that having different directors for VIII and IX doesn't wreck the flow or look and feel.
Leia's role underwhelming, until the very end when she comes out to see Rey and embraces. At that moment I felt she knows who Rey is, and that can be the only reason Rey was sent with the lightsaber to see Luke.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Jurassic world congratulated Star Wars

http://wdwnt.com/blog/2015/12/juras...box-office-champ-star-wars-the-force-awakens/

I know!...right?

It's almost like Spielberg was kennedys boss for 30
Years and the producer of Jurassic world is her husband...