The Running Thread--2024

Congrats on the half. I’ve done the Philadelphia Marathon every year since 2011. It’s really one of the best races out there and it’s growing in popularity. Yesterday at the race start they said there were 37,000 runners. It’s a fast course with great scenery, and the weather is usually bearable. This year was some of the best weather I can remember. It was in the low 40’s at race start, so the shivering was kept to a minimum while I waited. I’ve unfortunately been injured since May, so I’ve barely run at all in that time. I decided yesterday that I would just run whatever I could and then walk the rest. It didn’t go that great. I only made it to around mile 4.25 until the pain got to be too much and I had to walk the remaining 22 miles. It was mentally exhausting, but at least my body felt pretty good afterward. I have no idea how I’m going to get through Dopey (it will be my 40th full marathon!) in January. I have ‘Perfect Dopey’ status which I have no intention of losing so I’m going to have to plow through it, but it’s definitely going to be a much different experience than in past years.
I am so sorry to hear you've been injured! Walking it that long was brutal, I'm sure. But I'm glad you finished. Hopefully you had some crowd support even in the later miles. See you Marathon Weekend!
 
People who pay more attention to Garmin sales than I do:

Is now the lowest prices Garmins will get? Is it worth waiting to see if prices go down more for Cyber Monday? Or is this what the Cyber Monday sale will be?
 
Tying together both the Garmin and run/walk thread....
I downloaded the Galloway run/walk app to my phone, and while it does the job, it also pre-empts my podcast or music. That was unacceptable. But someone mentioned on the forum that the Garmin watches have this ability. A few minutes of reading after I googled the Forerunner 255 manual and I have intervals programmed in. Tested it out yesterday during my walk and it worked; I hear the "time to run" and "time to walk" announcements through my Aftershokz, but otherwise I hear my podcast. Way cool.
 

Tying together both the Garmin and run/walk thread....
I downloaded the Galloway run/walk app to my phone, and while it does the job, it also pre-empts my podcast or music. That was unacceptable. But someone mentioned on the forum that the Garmin watches have this ability. A few minutes of reading after I googled the Forerunner 255 manual and I have intervals programmed in. Tested it out yesterday during my walk and it worked; I hear the "time to run" and "time to walk" announcements through my Aftershokz, but otherwise I hear my podcast. Way cool.
You can also turn off the voice prompt and just go by the vibration/tone. That's what I do since hearing "time to run" or "time to walk" every thirty seconds would drive me insane. :D
 
You can also turn off the voice prompt and just go by the vibration/tone. That's what I do since hearing "time to run" or "time to walk" every thirty seconds would drive me insane. :D
Yep, this is what I do too. And when I program in my workouts, I do the interval math so that I get "run" and "rest" periods for run/walk that beep a second or two before the interval changes. Works great!
 
People who pay more attention to Garmin sales than I do:

Is now the lowest prices Garmins will get? Is it worth waiting to see if prices go down more for Cyber Monday? Or is this what the Cyber Monday sale will be?

I use the Keepa price tracker. You can check out the Amazon/other seller price for up to a year back. If you look up the device you're interested in, you should be able to see history.
 
If anyone (else) has been stalking the Brooks Glycerin Max, they dropped more colors this morning! I finally pulled the trigger and ordered a pair to try them out.
 
I don’t wanna give you bad news, but we have had upper respiratory crud in our house for months. DS2 ended up with walking pneumonia in September and is still coughing. DH got something about 2 weeks ago now and is still hacking up a lung throughout the day. There’s soooooo much going around (my chiro had RSV and then got laryngitis) so my vote is to just do what you feel comfortable with, even if it’s the bare minimum right now.

Caveat - I’m NOT a medical professional, just someone who developed chronic bronchitis followed by pneumonia after a respiratory infection decades ago and have suffered ever since: do not push your body. The long-term risk is not worth it. I’ll also strongly recommend seeing a medical professional if you’re not seeing improvement in another week or so and/or if you have a fever associated. This is only my experience, but I do not mess around with lung stuff!

One million percent THIS! I had an annoying cough linger for almost two months, and woke up one day with massive chest pain. I legit thought I was having a heart attack and drove myself to urgent care, who sent me to the ER. I was admitted for about 8 hours while they tested for a bunch of stuff. Turns out I had bacterial pneumonia! Thankfully they were able to give me a good dose of antibiotics via IV and sent me home with a prescription. They said had I waited even a few more days, it could have been far more serious and I could have been in the hospital for weeks.

Thankfully I haven't had anything like that since, but I will never again let a cough linger more than a week without getting it checked.

I came home from Wine & Dine with the respiratory bug that seems to be going around. Last Thursday (2.5 weeks later) I finally called my doctor because the cough just wasn't going away. She put me on steroids and an antibiotic and I felt better almost immediately. I'll admit - I'm usually one to try to let things run their course, but at this point in Dopey training just give me the meds!
Thank you all for great advice. Finally diagnosed with pneumonia today after 10 days of suffering and three dr visits. On two antibiotics and a steroid. Hoping I feel better soon. Not looking forward to trying to run again. At least I’m only signed up for the half.
 
OMG I'm so glad you got it checked out! Also so sorry you're dealing with pneumonia, ugh! Wishing you a speedy recovery. :hug:
 
Thank you all for great advice. Finally diagnosed with pneumonia today after 10 days of suffering and three dr visits. On two antibiotics and a steroid. Hoping I feel better soon. Not looking forward to trying to run again. At least I’m only signed up for the half.
I’m very glad you got diagnosed and are now being treated for it! If it helps, I can attest from experience that once the antibiotics and steroids do their job, you’ll feel MUCH better. Like, I went from barely able to lift a spoon of broth to my lips to reorganizing my kitchen cabinets in less than 48 hours. :rotfl: But I’ll reiterate: give your lungs time to heal properly, even when you feel better. Your body will tell you when it needs rest: best thing you can do is listen to it. Hang in there.
 
Talk me into or out of buying new shoes.

The Nike Vaporfly 3 is currently on sale for 25% off. I tried it on at the stone a few months ago and really liked the feel of it, but couldn't commit to spending $340 at the time. I'm also not a fast runner, so I don't know if there's truly a benefit. Also the only one that's on sale is a really ugly colour:
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So what say you all? Should I spend $273 on these?

Side note: I already have 4/5 shoes in rotation right now, as I'm still in the hunt for *the one*
 
Talk me into or out of buying new shoes.

The Nike Vaporfly 3 is currently on sale for 25% off. I tried it on at the stone a few months ago and really liked the feel of it, but couldn't commit to spending $340 at the time. I'm also not a fast runner, so I don't know if there's truly a benefit. Also the only one that's on sale is a really ugly colour:
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So what say you all? Should I spend $273 on these?

Side note: I already have 4/5 shoes in rotation right now, as I'm still in the hunt for *the one*
Every time I asked the question at a specialized running store, I was told that if I don’t run fast enough, I won’t get the return on the energy I put. In other words I will be fighting the shoes instead of benefiting from their spring action. (Think about compressing a spring too slowly.) So if you truly are a slow runner who wants cute shoes without blowing too much money, then no. If it is a fun splurge that you want to try, why not.

ETA: What do you hope to achieve with these shoes?
 
Every time I asked the question at a specialized running store, I was told that if I don’t run fast enough, I won’t get the return on the energy I put. In other words I will be fighting the shoes instead of benefiting from their spring action. (Think about compressing a spring too slowly.) So if you truly are a slow runner who wants cute shoes without blowing too much money, then no. If it is a fun splurge that you want to try, why not.

ETA: What do you hope to achieve with these shoes?
So I think I'm in that in between where I'm neither fast nor slow. Do you know how fast is "fast enough"?
I think the main goal would be to see if they do make a difference.
 
Every time I asked the question at a specialized running store, I was told that if I don’t run fast enough, I won’t get the return on the energy I put. In other words I will be fighting the shoes instead of benefiting from their spring action. (Think about compressing a spring too slowly.) So if you truly are a slow runner who wants cute shoes without blowing too much money, then no. If it is a fun splurge that you want to try, why not.

ETA: What do you hope to achieve with these shoes?
I have no horse in this race and no interest in super shoes for myself, but I really want to understand the why behind this! What mechanics of a fast runner make the shoes deliver a return? Like it can’t only be the actual speed, right? Is it the rate of turnover? Compression force on impact? Stride length? There’s physics in this equation and, well, physics wasn’t my best subject. I’m just curious to know if it’s really as simple as ANY fast runner would benefit from them, or if, say a very lightweight, quick runner with a high cadence but low impact would find them useless, or if someone who weighs more so has a more forceful impact but lower cadence and speed would get something out of them.
 
I've heard the theory that they're really only for fast runners, but I've also heard from other sources that slower runners can see even more benefit 🤷‍♀️ Depending on your cadence, foot strike, stride length, etc., some shoes might work better for you than others, which is maybe based on the shape of the plate?

Another factor: shoe weight. I ran a marathon in the (super light) Asics Metaspeed Edge Paris, and having less weight on my feet could have made as much of a difference as the plate/foam. BUT supershoes also tend to be less stable to get to that lighter weight, so make sure they can support your mile 25 running form (or equivalent for a shorter race) as much as your mile 2 form.

Personally I think supershoes probably make me a little faster, and they're fun to run in. Plus they make me feel fast on race day. If they're in your budget, then sure, give them a try if you want. Or if you're happy with the shoes you have, then stick with those.
 
So I think I'm in that in between where I'm neither fast nor slow. Do you know how fast is "fast enough"?
I think the main goal would be to see if they do make a difference.

I love the Vaporfly as a shoe, and I’ve run five marathons in different versions of them. I think the general view is that to see any benefit, you should be sub-8 min/mile. You apply less force on the plate and foam at lower speed, so you get less energy back. Also, the high stack height makes them more unstable, which is a bigger issue at slower paces. The Nike ZoomX foam is also more fragile, so I just use the Vaporfly or Alphafly for races, while I daily run in my Adios Pro 3 or Endorphin Pros.
  • 6:02 minutes per mile pace: A 2022 study found that the Vaporfly improved running economy by about 2.7% compared to a control shoe.
  • 8 minutes per mile pace: the Vaporfly improved running economy by 1.4%.
  • 9 minutes and 40 seconds per mile pace: the Vaporfly improved running economy by 0.9%.
 
I love the Vaporfly as a shoe, and I’ve run five marathons in different versions of them. I think the general view is that to see any benefit, you should be sub-8 min/mile. You apply less force on the plate and foam at lower speed, so you get less energy back. Also, the high stack height makes them more unstable, which is a bigger issue at slower paces. The Nike ZoomX foam is also more fragile, so I just use the Vaporfly or Alphafly for races, while I daily run in my Adios Pro 3 or Endorphin Pros.
  • 6:02 minutes per mile pace: A 2022 study found that the Vaporfly improved running economy by about 2.7% compared to a control shoe.
  • 8 minutes per mile pace: the Vaporfly improved running economy by 1.4%.
  • 9 minutes and 40 seconds per mile pace: the Vaporfly improved running economy by 0.9%.
Adios Pro 3 and Endorphin Pro are what I have now for racing shoes. My feet don’t play well with Nike super shoes as they feel really unstable to me. Adios Pro 3 is what I use for short races. Actually had a PR at our 5 mile Turkey Day race on Thursday with them (6:58 pace). First time keeping that pace for that long. I love the Endorphin Pro for long distances. Super comfy, lightweight, the energy return is great, and they are roomy for someone who needs a bigger toe box. I took them on a test long run a few weekends ago. Was only going to do 10 miles but ended up doing 12 because my feet and legs felt good. I put them away and will bring them out for MW.
 












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