The Running Thread - 2018

Also I am not too proud to admit that there are times when I am faster while speed walking a hill than jogging up it. Generally during under-trained periods of my life. In those times I try to convince myself that walking is helping my time. And this is why I'm on board for #training.
 
I live in a very flat area and all of our races are flat. Any hills are pretty minor so the closest I get to a hill is the overpasses at Disney. Finally got back out for a run today. Punishing work schedule and then lots of horse show shenanigans have kept me out of it for a bit. Felt great to be out there again.

@Keels I would never have considered running zoo hill. That would be absolutely horrendous. Is the water in the river that low right now?
 
ATTQOTD: One direction of my neighborhood is fairly flat, with the other direction being enough of a hill to make bicyclists walk up. I was fairly confused from my running plan which in the later half has the note 'seek hills.' I'm still not sure what it means, the clarification I got was to make sure if I was on a treadmill it is set to a minimum of 2 incline, which is dreadful due to being constant.

Burns Park 5K : after a week of vacation and no structured running (I did sprint from the hotel to DCA to make a FP after the kids were asleep!), we returned jet lagged and dehydrated but I was up unreasonably early so I biked over to the local elementary school where the PTO puts on a 5K & 10K fundraiser. I chickened out and did the 5K, and was happy to have stuck to that one. The race was really fun, about 1500 people and at least a quarter of them elementary students. The neighborhood roads are in better condition than any of the other 5Ks run on bigger streets around town which I appreciate. The teachers all wore tutus in school colors, kids in the neighborhood had drawn in chalk in the road, and lots of people had set their speakers out in their front lawn. I was concerned that due to dehydration I would have a problem and not want to bike home, so I went relatively slow, and seeing that the on-course water was manned by kids for the 5K, and there really was not water, I was glad I went slow. I think the 10K would have been better as they seemed to be better prepared by those runners made it by. I will do this race again, it is the only 5K I have actually enjoyed. It is also the slowest I have run clocking in at 38:21.

Running while traveling was discussed a page or two back. I have had mixed results asking hotel staff for suggestions. I will be returning to a place for work, and there are not sidewalks in the area. Someone suggested strava heat maps for this. As someone who is not on strava, I wanted to ask if this is a simple task to find a route, or is it really just a picture on unnamed roads as I can see publicly?
 
40th Lake Hartwell Dam Run 5k/10k: The day was beautiful. Last year had a low in the 40's and a 52 degree start, but this year started at 65 degrees and was probably 70 at the start. It was a little humid and partly cloudy though with a breeze coming across the water. Both races start simultaneously. The 5k starts on the SC side of Lake Hartwell, participants are bussed over, and they run across the dam into GA to the finish. The 10k starts on the GA side, runs down Hwy 29 across the Savannah River Bridge, into SC and then across the dam back into GA. The view is breathtaking, and since 9/11 this is the only time each year that the dam is open for crossing. Top awards are throws with a picture of the dam woven in, and age group awards are mugs and a ribbon. A great race, but as a disclaimer, DH is co-race director. It must be a pretty good race for many though, because it has been going on for 40 years now! We had almost 700 registered. and 600+ finishers.
I had my only "<1 hr 10k" at 59:00 last year. This year was 1:02:48. I started out way too fast on a downhill and chatting with 3 ladies who will be at W&D. Once we started uphill, I had to walk a good bit of it. I wasn't too disappointed since I have been slowing down with every run lately. I just love that I can still run!

Hills: There are some hills in my neighborhood and town, but I don't train on them enough.
 

@Keels I would never have considered running zoo hill. That would be absolutely horrendous. Is the water in the river that low right now?

If you're familiar with Fort Worth - I live over in Fairmount off Magnolia, so I usually leave my house, run across 8th and down Park Place to Zoo Hill. Down Zoo Hill and pick up the Trinity Trail right past the little train. Going down Zoo Hill isn't bad, coming up Zoo Hill (and then all the way back up Park Place to 8th) is pretty brutal.

The Trinity was pretty low when I was out there on Saturday down by the Clearfork Trailhead! Tomorrow is one of the days that I'll go park at Rotary Plaza and do eight miles out-and-back from the new bridge down to Clearfork Trailhead and back. I'll take some pictures of the river!
 
Ran my 4th Flying Pig half this weekend and my son did his first ever organized race at the Piglet the day before. Saturday was a little rainy but pleasant and he had fun despite wanting go the wrong way the whole time and stopping to pick up everything he saw.

The half was great as always and has again cemented in my mind why this is my favorite race. Weather was a little warm (I like to race in low 40s) and a bit humid but this wasn't a goal race for me, just fun. I took it extremely easy and just wanted to come in under 1:40 which I managed to do. The energy in the whole city leading up to race day is great and they have so many events in addition to the Sunday races. If anyone wants to see how a city should do a race weekend do Cincinnati.



We aren't mostly flat but we also aren't exactly hilly either. There are no mountains at all and if you live in a hilly area what we call hills would make you laugh. What we do have a few of are river valleys which have some decent (if short) climbs to get out of. If you really need to do hill work you hit one of the river valleys.
As a native Cincinnati, it warms my heart to hear you speak so highly of The Flying Pig. You are correct, Cincinnati does an amazing job with Flying Pig weekend. It is incredibly organized, really, really nice swag, lots of freebies (hello, P&G is a major sponsor), and something for everyone. The expo is awesome and by far the best I have experienced (after Boston)--wish they were open an extra day (wallet is glad the aren't). I love the course, hills and all. I am blown away how this race has grown over the past 20 years. When I started doing Boston in 2014, I thought my Pig days were done and I started doing the 10k. I am so glad I am back doing the marathon.
 
As a native Cincinnati, it warms my heart to hear you speak so highly of The Flying Pig. You are correct, Cincinnati does an amazing job with Flying Pig weekend. It is incredibly organized, really, really nice swag, lots of freebies (hello, P&G is a major sponsor), and something for everyone. The expo is awesome and by far the best I have experienced (after Boston)--wish they were open an extra day (wallet is glad the aren't). I love the course, hills and all. I am blown away how this race has grown over the past 20 years. When I started doing Boston in 2014, I thought my Pig days were done and I started doing the 10k. I am so glad I am back doing the marathon.

I am not from Cincy and have only done two pig weekends, but I totally agree with Wendy about what a great race weekend and setup they have. It feels kind of like a rundisney event in that most people are doing multiple races, or families are all running different events. We were in Columbus this weekend and everyone was joking that we should drive down to do a pig event and then drive back up since we felt FOMO, but we didn't. I think we 100% will be back next year if we can.
Also, pig stuff is cute so that helps.
 
I ran this yesterday and admit to being one of the people who was in the wrong corral. It was by accident I swear!

We were unknowing corral buddies. :) I was lined up at the front of grey.

It sounds like you made an honest mistake, I was more irritated at the intentional poor race etiquette being displayed. For example, the women behind me who very obviously knew that they were a) in grey corral (the flags were right in front of us and they'd talked about all the times they'd done the race before) despite yellow and pink bibs b) were planning on walking and still lining up near the front of the corral. I wasn't trying to say that the run shouldn't be welcoming to all ability levels, but I was taken aback at so many people being in the wrong corral since the run did have space on the registration page where they asked you to provide time results from a previous race.

I think if you do Broad Street as a fun run it's great. I kind of like being around a bunch of people who are running their only race of the year, having fun, whooping it up. But if you are going for a specific competitive pace (like I planned to, but it wasn't in me that day) that's not going to happen here despite it being a straight shot, very few tangents, and mostly flat or downhill. Unless you're an elite who can just dash in front of everyone else from the start.

As you said, Broad street (and probably all other large races) should be treated as fun run, and it's a Philly institution for very good reason. It was wonderful to see all the multi-generational families out enjoying the run together, and heartwarming to see young people participating with the "Students Run Philly Style" group.
 
If you're familiar with Fort Worth - I live over in Fairmount off Magnolia, so I usually leave my house, run across 8th and down Park Place to Zoo Hill. Down Zoo Hill and pick up the Trinity Trail right past the little train. Going down Zoo Hill isn't bad, coming up Zoo Hill (and then all the way back up Park Place to 8th) is pretty brutal.

The Trinity was pretty low when I was out there on Saturday down by the Clearfork Trailhead! Tomorrow is one of the days that I'll go park at Rotary Plaza and do eight miles out-and-back from the new bridge down to Clearfork Trailhead and back. I'll take some pictures of the river!


I went to TCU so I am somewhat familiar. :) I didn't run at the time though.
 
ATTQOTD:

Mid Michigan is flat, so to get in hill work I drive to a park about 45 minutes away that offers really challenging hills and a loop course that allows for 18 miles. It is a very tough run but is hilly not straight up elevation. The other thing I do is head over to campus and run the parking structures. At night they are pretty empty and offer a continuous uphill run by circling from bottom to top, go down the stairs and repeat.
 
Race recap: Frederick Running Festival Half-Marathon, May 6, 2018

I ran the Frederick Running Festival Half-Marathon in 2014 as my first half-marathon, and it's still my PR of 2:07:16.

This race was not a top goal race for me because I just had a hard HM 8 weeks ago, and this time of year my job is pretty stressful and busy, so I don't get a lot of rest. Even so, you never know what race day will bring, so I was thinking positively.

For 2018, I had requested and been granted a race-day pick-up of my bib. However, when I got there, they didn't have my bib for some reason. They gave me a new bib and number, which will be relevant after the race.

I was there 90 minutes before the 7:00am start, so I hit the port-a-potty twice and then at about 6:15am, started an easy jogging warm-up for 15 minutes or so. I also did some dynamic stretching and made sure the shoes were tied right, etc.

I got into the starting area at about 6:45am. There are no corrals - just signs for paces. This race only has about 3000 runners, so it is not very crowded at the start and everyone spreads out pretty quickly. In 2014, there had been pace runners, and I was hoping to start with the 2:10 runners, but I didn't see any pace runners this year.

We started on time. The weather was perfect - mid-50s F, not windy, cloudy so no solar glare, and the rain that had come through overnight had stopped. I wore my rain baseball cap just in case, and shorts and tank top.

My plan was to run a pace between 9:50 - 9:59 min/mile for about the first 9 miles and then see how I felt and if I could push it faster at the end.

The first miles went exactly to plan:
-Mile 1: 9:56
-Mile 2: 9:55
-Mile 3: 9:55
-Mile 4: 9:57

My breathing was good and effort wasn't too hard. I was killing the tangents, as the race has pretty good sightlines, so I could pick my path way ahead to hit most of them. At about mile 3.5, I started feeling some pain below and slightly inside of my left knee. This is an area that is sometimes sore after hard/long runs, but doesn't usually bother me while I'm running. I can usually run through most things without a problem.

-Mile 5: 9:56

By about mile 5.5, the pain below/inside the knee got pretty bad and started feeling like it was going up and over the front of my knee. It was getting bad enough that I couldn't keep from limping. I've never had an issue during a run that has affected my gait, and that did kind of scare me. I slowed it way down and tried to feel it out a bit. I was hoping I wouldn't have to DNF, but on the other hand, I didn't want to do something that was really going to mess it up.

-Mile 6: 10:20

Very oddly and rather suddenly, at about mile 6.5, the pain almost completely went away to a typical you're-working-hard sort of feeling. I accelerated back to my planned race pace gradually, and it still felt OK.

-Mile 7: 11:05

I got back on track with my planned pace. I knew a PR (2:07-ish) was totally out of the question now, but possibly I could beat my previous HM time of 2:10-ish if I could push the last couple of miles.

-Mile 8: 9:53
-Mile 9: 9:48
-Mile 10: 9:53
-Mile 11: 9:51

Trying to dig deeper for the last couple of miles. A little before mile 12, we were going up a long, gradual incline and I was trying to push. Breathing was hard. And then I started getting a little dizzy with dark spots in the vision and cold chills. Well, that put a stop to the big push at the end, as I decided that I wanted to finish in the upright position. Not sure whether it was dehydration (I had been drinking from my hydration vest of Gatorade) or heat exhaustion (in the 50s F with a tank top and shorts?), but something was going on.

-Mile 12: 10:09
-Mile 13: 9:59

The race started right outside the Frederick Fairgrounds race track, and it ends with the last bit of the race going about 1/4 of the way around the clay horse-race track. Fortunately the track wasn't as sloppy as it was for the Kentucky Derby the day before!

Tried to get a last push on the track, but it wasn't happening.

-Extra bit: 10:11

Gradually made my way out to pick up water, snacks, medal, and cool State of Maryland race jacket. At least I was able to walk - I was a little afraid of what would happen when I stopped moving.

Texted my husband to see what my chip time was. He said my time wasn't up yet, even though enough other times were that mine should be there. I was suspicious that there was a problem because of my new bib assignment. Before I left, I wanted to make sure I really would get an official time, and so spent another 30 minutes being taken from person to person to get to someone who knew what was going on. Yes, because of my new bib number, my time wouldn't post immediately, but would be posted eventually when the timing company wrapped everything up. Annoying when the bib problem wasn't my fault.

Overall I like this race a lot. The logistics are great for me. It's only a 45-min drive from my house, and it's about 5 minutes from the highway exit. There is a lot of fairground parking that is very close. A nervous Nellie like me, who gets there 90-min early, can park literally a few hundred feet from the start line. They have a bag check, but who needs it if you can park that close? Lots of port-a-potties, and a few actual flush toilets. Despite my bib issue, I feel like they are pretty well-organized - and with my bib issue, everyone was willing to help me immediately. Since I carry my own water, I don't use the aid stations, so I can't speak to them. The course isn't the most scenic I've ever run, but it goes through historic downtown Frederick and does have some nice country scenery. Not a lot of turns and not very hilly (unless you're a Florida flatlander).

I didn't get my official results until almost 5:00pm the next day. My chip time was 2:12:52.
 
April Miles: 86.2
2018 Miles: 302.9

April began with 10 days in Arizona. The sunshine and warmth felt amazing! I only missed one run due to a travel day and moved another due to an overnight trip to the Grand Canyon (AMAZING!) Other than that, I hit all of my miles and paces. However, my eating and drinking habits better resembled someone on vacation than someone training for an endurance race, LOL! After returning home, I ran a local 10-mile race. My time was on par with last year, no official PR.

My knee was a little cranky before the race, but it was not much of a problem during. However, shortly after it literally went on strike! The following week consisted of a lot of walking and mixed attempts at running. Fortunately, after seeing my massage therapist and chiropractor last Monday, it is feeling back to "normal".

May doesn't bring anything special (running wise). I'm just going to keep focusing on training for my June half marathon.
 
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Great race recaps from this weekend!

ATTQOTD: I live in a pretty hilly area. I’ve been trying to brainstorm somewhere flat to do interval workouts, but I’m pretty stumped... :confused3
 
QOTD: For those of yall who live in a mostly flat area and have a race that has a lot hills, how do you train for hills when you do not have them?

That's definitely not an issue around here...(the local neighborhood is called "Federal Hill" for a reason). For reference, the Baltimore marathon, which goes through most of the city, has the following elevation chart...not the worst, I'm sure, but it's not pretty, either.

I'd like to think that living in a 3-story row home helps, but those hills still kill me anyway.
 

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ATTQOTD another hilly habitant here - I have a 30’ climb just running the 150 yards to the end of my street. The 4 mile run I did tonight had nearly 300’ if climbing, and that was taking the flat route... Hills are great for base training but crappy when any speed work is required. I do like a flat run on the odd occasion I have one, usually when travelling.
 
Congrats to all the races this weekend and thanks for your race reports!

QOTD: For those of yall who live in a mostly flat area and have a race that has a lot hills, how do you train for hills when you do not have them?

ATTQOTD: To train for hills I have a few options with only one being a good solution. Option one is to run on the treadmill, which I do not see a great solution. Option two is to run up and down the levee along the Mississippi river. The flaw here is the levee is only so high and wouldn't really prepare me for long hills. The same for the overpasses that are runner friendly. The last option is actually a great solution but is around 1.5 hour drive away. Plenty of long rolling hills in the country. I have trained here for hilly marathons and it worked well.

Not an issue around me.

I live in a hilly area. Every run has some type of hill in it. So I love when I get to run on a flat route.

Gotta love New England with all these hills. :)

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I run mostly along the Trinity River, and when the water is low, you can run down the embankment to cross the river and run up the other side. It’s pretty brutal, but effective.

We also have two “hills” nearby that get you down to the river:

Zoo Hill (which, surprisingly, is by the zoo):
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And RadioShack Hill, which is downtown:

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They both suck equally.

In Florida, I usually run down to the sports park in the neighborhood next door and run up and down the bleachers, but I really don’t do that as often because it’s just stupid.

So @Keels where exactly are the hills in those pics? :rolleyes1

I'm just teasing. At my old house I just moved from I had a few routes and I could stay pretty flat if I went straight on one. I could take a left if I wanted to climb hills. At my new house where I just moved to, we live at the top of a hill in either side of us. So at the end of every run I do my "cool down" walking up a hill. One hill is about 3/4 mile long and it is STEEP! My zone 2 HR is 142-152 and I am usually at the lower end of that just walking up this hill. It's brutal. My goal is to be running up it by the end of the summer.
 
I live on a hill, there are hills no matter where I go so luckily I don't have to search them out to train on them.
 
QOTD: Do you take break during your long run? If so how long does it last before you start running again?

ATTQOTD: I do, especially during warmer months. They are usually short, less than 5 minutes. I refill my water bottles, use a restroom if needed and then get going again.
 





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