The Running Thread - 2016

I've been trying to figure out what shoes to buy next and I've tried both those shoes out,the ISO Triumph and the Glycerins and I would totally agree with you,they both had super comfortable uppers but the midsole cushioning I felt on the Triumph just wasn't there on the Glycerin's.

I second trying out the Asics Nimbus for a cushion shoe. I tried to make Glycerins work a few years ago (when I needed to change from my new balance) and they seemed so not cushiony to me and I developed a knee issue from them, they were just flat to me. So in my opinion the Nimbus are way more cushiony than the Glycerin if you want cushion. I just went from 16s to 17s & prefer the 17s actually.
 
I am ridiculously excited about the summer Olympics! We should have a chat thread for it once it starts!

I'm so excited for the Olympics. I'm a total junkie. My wife will be on maternity leave during them and I am so jealous.
 
@LSUlakes I now have a date to a event posted earlier and a new event signed up for

SunDial - Treasure Coast Olympic Triathlon. July 17th. (Goal - enjoy and finish). First time at this distance.
SunDial - Loggerhead Sprint Triathlon. August 6th (Goal - 1:45)
 
I'm so excited for the Olympics. I'm a total junkie. My wife will be on maternity leave during them and I am so jealous.

Add me to the Olympics watcher list. I am happy with all of the network cable channels to watch all of the events instead of the most popular events on a single channel. I will say the one sport that I am not a fan of is figure skating. Speed skating love it.
 

QOTD: Another question suggested from another forum member for today. I think its a great question! How do you know if you are a heal striker/forefront runner/mid-sole, etc. I see these terms a lot but do not fully understand them. Do you just find out from having someone watch you run? Does it change your training strategies or shoe purchases at all?

ATTQOTD: I have heard of two ways and I am not sure if either is correct. 1. Get the bottom of your foot wet and then step on a piece of paper or paper towel and the impression will give you an idea. 2. Look at the wear on the bottom of your running shoes.

Update to a potential Disney trip. This morning I mentioned WDW to DD, and I get a voice recording from DW as shes driving DD to daycare with DD saying "I wanna go to Disney World". LOL Team Disney =1 - Logical thought = 0
 
QOTD: Another question suggested from another forum member for today. I think its a great question! How do you know if you are a heal striker/forefront runner/mid-sole, etc. I see these terms a lot but do not fully understand them. Do you just find out from having someone watch you run? Does it change your training strategies or shoe purchases at all?

It's easy to tell from a few things. One, look at your shows and how/where they are worn down. The wear patterns will indicate how your foot strikes the ground. Two, have someone watch you and tell you how your feet are striking the ground. Three, and one of the best methods, look at your race pictures and videos. During a race, you're concentrating on your pace, the spectators, etc. Looking at a picture of yourself running when you didn't know you were being photographed can be very revealing. Several years ago, it showed me pronating and landing on the outside of my heels. I used that as motivation to pay more attention to my stride and have managed to move it more forward and less rotated through lots of practice.
 
The wet foot on a piece of paper will give you more an idea of what your arch is like, and what level of support you might need for that, although it's definitely not 100%. I have a very low, just barely more than flat, arch and probably it would be suggested to me to run in support or motion control shoes just based on that. And I did for a while because that's what I thought I was supposed to do for flat feet, but I had a lot of foot/leg pain from those, because I actually supinate even though my feet are flat, and they were just exaggerating that motion.
 
ATTQOTD: I am a heel striker, it is fairly obvious if you watch me run. I have been recorded in slow-mo by my physical therapist, and they can tell just watching me anyway. Slo-mo is more to look for other nuances in my strike pattern.

I have tried changing to mid-foot, which people were saying is best for a while. But it was a disaster. I had hurt my IT Band for the first time, in 2014. Went to an ortho doc to make sure that was what it was, and MRI confirmed it. She recommended trying to become a mid foot striker. So I went out on my next run, and tried, probably too hard. I essentially forced my mid foot down with each step. As a result I TORE my plantar fascia tendon. Yup. It was a 3 mile run. By 2.5 I was barely walking the pain was so severe. Back to MRI and sure enough it was partially torn. I could not walk without severe pain, so I ended up in a walking boot for 6 weeks. I learned then, don't force changes to happen, work on them gradually. Additionally, I am told that now the research is finding some conflicting results as to if trying to change to a mid foot strike is actually beneficial to the average runner.
 
Add me to the Olympics watcher list. I am happy with all of the network cable channels to watch all of the events instead of the most popular events on a single channel. I will say the one sport that I am not a fan of is figure skating. Speed skating love it.

I love how NBC has put Olympics coverage on all their cable networks, as well as watching anything on demand online. I'm all about the more obscure sports, and am really excited to see Rugby making its debut. But it does really reduces my productivity at work for that month though.
 
I'll add one other thing about foot strike and training strategy. I strongly believe that cadence (number of steps per minute) is one of the most important aspects of running efficiently, and more important than whether you are a heel/mid/fore striker. The higher the cadence the more likely you are to have an efficient running style. While everyone is different, ideally your cadence should be above 180 steps per minute when you are running at race pace. When I first got my Garmin 620 one of the first things I noticed was that my cadence was in the high 160s and my stride length around 1 meter. I made a concerted effort to try and move my feet quicker (it took months for it to become natural, so make the progression slowly). Upon research, I found that the less your foot moves forward and kicks backwards the less energy is spent bringing it back into position for the next strike. This means when I run it looks more like a quick shuffle then an actual run with legs kicking way back (its why I don't do well on non-road surfaces because I barely pick my feet off the ground). I believe the reason you see elite runners kicking their feet way back is because they're running a 4:00-5:00 min/mile so unless you're going that fast a quick shuffle might be better. I now consistently see my cadence in the high 180s to 200 steps per minute and yet my stride length has naturally elongated to 1.2-1.3 meters. Keeping my feet to close to underneath my body has also reduced my injury rate.

One thing I always like to tell myself when I'm running is to "Run Like a Ninja". When you see ninjas run, they move their feet quickly and quietly. If you emulate that, you will reduce your chance of injury and it will likely enable you to run further faster because you will use less energy per step.
 
ATTQOTD: No idea what I am. I "think" I'm not a heal striker. My shoes don't wear in the heal and I don't "feel" like I'm running that way. I don't feel like I run up on my toes either. But now I really want my husband to watch or video me run down the street so I can slow mo watch it. Maybe I will go look at my race pics today and see if any are in the right stance to tell anything.
I did the "stand on a gel mat" thing to last time in the shoe store and I'm a "neutral, normal arch" person. A little on the slim side so wide toe-boxes feel too big. My husband has flat feet and they roll towards his big toe (you should see how he destroys flip flops) so he has Brooks Beast which is a stability shoe and he likes them. Plus they look cool :)

That's interesting about the spm. I've seen that 180+# before (maybe from dopeybadger before) so I went back and looked. Seems like my garmin shows 168-178 for the last couple weeks of running depending on the day. I have no idea what I do on the treadmill.

Edited to add: I looked at some race pics.. and a lot of them I've already "landed" onto with my front foot. But it appears that maybe I have my heal out before I land, but land mid-foot? I think the sample size of pics that show that progression is way too small...gonna have my husband stare at me running if I can convince him to do that :)
 
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QOTD: Another question suggested from another forum member for today. I think its a great question! How do you know if you are a heal striker/forefront runner/mid-sole, etc. I see these terms a lot but do not fully understand them. Do you just find out from having someone watch you run? Does it change your training strategies or shoe purchases at all?

Not much to add that hasn't been said already...check your soles for wear and get a professional's opinion if you can.

I'll add one other thing about foot strike and training strategy. I strongly believe that cadence (number of steps per minute) is one of the most important aspects of running efficiently, and more important than whether you are a heel/mid/fore striker. The higher the cadence the more likely you are to have an efficient running style. While everyone is different, ideally your cadence should be above 180 steps per minute when you are running at race pace. When I first got my Garmin 620 one of the first things I noticed was that my cadence was in the high 160s and my stride length around 1 meter. I made a concerted effort to try and move my feet quicker (it took months for it to become natural, so make the progression slowly). Upon research, I found that the less your foot moves forward and kicks backwards the less energy is spent bringing it back into position for the next strike. This means when I run it looks more like a quick shuffle then an actual run with legs kicking way back (its why I don't do well on non-road surfaces because I barely pick my feet off the ground). I believe the reason you see elite runners kicking their feet way back is because they're running a 4:00-5:00 min/mile so unless you're going that fast a quick shuffle might be better. I now consistently see my cadence in the high 180s to 200 steps per minute and yet my stride length has naturally elongated to 1.2-1.3 meters. Keeping my feet to close to underneath my body has also reduced my injury rate.

One thing I always like to tell myself when I'm running is to "Run Like a Ninja". When you see ninjas run, they move their feet quickly and quietly. If you emulate that, you will reduce your chance of injury and it will likely enable you to run further faster because you will use less energy per step.

Absolutely. I am a midfoot/forefoot striker and my cadence is 190-200spm with a stride length around 1.3m. It has been very efficient for me over the years and I have put in a tonne of mileage. I run very upright with my feet right under me, just like the shuffle you describe. Here's a short video from a HM I did last year, you can see my choppy upright form. You can also see my arms crossing over a bit too much in front, but you should ignore that!

 
QOTD: Another question suggested from another forum member for today. I think its a great question! How do you know if you are a heal striker/forefront runner/mid-sole, etc. I see these terms a lot but do not fully understand them. Do you just find out from having someone watch you run? Does it change your training strategies or shoe purchases at all?

I just know because I can tell what part of the foot hits the ground first. I can also see my tracks in the snow and that confirms it for me.
 
I strongly believe that cadence (number of steps per minute) is one of the most important aspects of running efficiently, and more important than whether you are a heel/mid/fore striker. The higher the cadence the more likely you are to have an efficient running style. While everyone is different, ideally your cadence should be above 180 steps per minute when you are running at race pace. When I first got my Garmin 620 one of the first things I noticed was that my cadence was in the high 160s and my stride length around 1 meter. I made a concerted effort to try and move my feet quicker (it took months for it to become natural, so make the progression slowly).

I forget who did the study, maybe Dr. Jack Daniels, but he found that the top runners had a very narrow range of racing cadence, with an extremely high concentration right at about 180 steps per minute. If I remember correctly, this study included folks running short, medium and long distances as well as younger, high school, Olympic and professional runners. Given how all other running metrics seemed to have greater variability between runners, he was surprised how consistent this metric was. Therefore, I guess based on the human body proportions, there must be some natural efficiency around this cadence. I'm sure it's slightly higher or lower for each person based on weight, leg length, etc., but those adjustments are likely relatively small (+/-5 or 10).

Like you, I have also worked on cadence over the last year or two because I found I was in the 155-165 camp when I finally started tracking it with my Garmin, and I have been able to increase it such that it is starting to feel comfortable in the 172-180 range. I would still like to get a little higher, but I am happy that after quite a while of concerted effort, it is now somewhat natural. I think it definitely helps my running efficiency.
 
I can feel I'm hitting midfoot for the most part and then my shoes are worn out the most there, with the heel worn next. I have a very high arch, so on the wet foot test I just have a sliver of a foot, so have to be careful I don't under pronate terribly( run on the outside of my foot) . With the Nimbus I've been better at midfoot even striking & not under pronating (like when I attempted to wear the Glycerins).

I agree cadence is important, shuffle run is the how I call it too, quick feet as my old coach used to say.
 
I'll add one other thing about foot strike and training strategy. I strongly believe that cadence (number of steps per minute) is one of the most important aspects of running efficiently, and more important than whether you are a heel/mid/fore striker. The higher the cadence the more likely you are to have an efficient running style. While everyone is different, ideally your cadence should be above 180 steps per minute when you are running at race pace. When I first got my Garmin 620 one of the first things I noticed was that my cadence was in the high 160s and my stride length around 1 meter. I made a concerted effort to try and move my feet quicker (it took months for it to become natural, so make the progression slowly). Upon research, I found that the less your foot moves forward and kicks backwards the less energy is spent bringing it back into position for the next strike. This means when I run it looks more like a quick shuffle then an actual run with legs kicking way back (its why I don't do well on non-road surfaces because I barely pick my feet off the ground). I believe the reason you see elite runners kicking their feet way back is because they're running a 4:00-5:00 min/mile so unless you're going that fast a quick shuffle might be better. I now consistently see my cadence in the high 180s to 200 steps per minute and yet my stride length has naturally elongated to 1.2-1.3 meters. Keeping my feet to close to underneath my body has also reduced my injury rate.

One thing I always like to tell myself when I'm running is to "Run Like a Ninja". When you see ninjas run, they move their feet quickly and quietly. If you emulate that, you will reduce your chance of injury and it will likely enable you to run further faster because you will use less energy per step.

My coach has me focusing right now on cadence and HR training for my base building phase. He wants my cadence 172-176, when my heart rate is in zone 2 (125-137 for me) on easy runs. Problem is, I can't do both. I can keep my cadence in the mid 170s, but only at speeds that have my heart rate about 8-10 bpm higher than top of zone 2. To get my heart rate to stay down in zone 2, I have to go really slow, and my cadence falls, even with more of a shuffle.

Anyone have suggestions or tips? Is it just time and practice that get will get me to high cadence regardless of speed/heart rate?
 
My coach has me focusing right now on cadence and HR training for my base building phase. He wants my cadence 172-176, when my heart rate is in zone 2 (125-137 for me) on easy runs. Problem is, I can't do both. I can keep my cadence in the mid 170s, but only at speeds that have my heart rate about 8-10 bpm higher than top of zone 2. To get my heart rate to stay down in zone 2, I have to go really slow, and my cadence falls, even with more of a shuffle.

Anyone have suggestions or tips? Is it just time and practice that get will get me to high cadence regardless of speed/heart rate?

How long have you been training by this method? I ask because it did take me several months to be able to change my cadence. It might be something that you'll just need to continue to work at like you said yourself. It does appear that I have a similar matching zone 2 HR to cadence to what your coach is looking for (HR = 131 and Cadence = 176). My cadence varies some as I increase pace, but I've found for me that it's the force behind the steps that causes my heart rate to increase. So try having super light feet with little force behind them, yet try and move them quickly.

You could also monitor your breathing rhythm. You might be able to lower your HR with a breathing rhythm of a 2 + 3 (breath in for 2 steps + breath out for 3 steps) or a 2 + 4. I've been playing around with a 2 + 3 in some of my workouts and it seems to slow down my HR a touch depending on my pace.
 
Was pretty happy with myself yesterday. Went out for a run (8 minutes running then 2 min walking three times). I somehow managed to cut my fastest mile down from 14.57 min a mile to 14.07 min a mile. Tried lifting my knees up more. I have had problems with my calf muscles and I was worried that it would hurt more the faster I ran. Found out that it hurts the same so now feeling more confident in general (about my pace and being under the maximum pace for the Disney paris half).

I did learn that you can get blisters on the arch of your foot which is a novel place for me.
 












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