I think it’s going to come down to whether or not Disney decides to stick with their long term strategy or not. We haven’t really seen any indication that they won’t, have we? And I think your point about average buyers’ lack of knowledgeability and research works more in restrictions’ favor than not.
VGF2
No, for me the VGF2 argument is completely uncompelling as well. A retrofit really is a different beast. Creating an entirely separate association for a small, studio only flip of an old hotel wing doesn’t make much sense either, and doesn’t come close to comparing to new builds whose construction costs are hundreds of millions more. And, in my opinion, hundreds of millions of dollars can indeed make a difference! But neither of our arguments are offering a fresh perspective, since they‘ve been repeated and rehashed many times on these boards.
The interesting question is not "VGF2 with restrictions versus VGF2 without restrictions." The interesting question is "why are we expanding VGF and PVB instead of building Reflections?"
You have always made some very compelling arguments on why Poly 2 will be a separate association. However, I have always believed they will be the same association. It goes to the Copper Creek and Boulder Ridge decision. Disney hates that it made the decision to make them separate. Yet, with Boulder Creek expiring in 2042 but Copper Creek in 2067, they have little hope of combining the 2. What are they going to do in 2042? The goal would be to combine the 2 DVCs but cannot. So do they sell Boulder Ridge as new with a 25 year expiration to match Copper Creek (when they can combine)? Or do they just do cash rentals at Boulder Ridge for 25year--do not think that is an option. As I have said before, we will all just have to wait and see.
DVC2 doesn't make anything more complicated for Direct buyers, and Disney doesn't much care that it inconveniences resale buyers.
Give me a break. First of all, people were walking around with their faces in their phones long before the debut of Genie+. Second of all, I can book my next lightning lane with one hand while I pee if I want to. It takes about 30 seconds. It does not necessitate being on your phone all day.
If they were marketing it solely towards white card members/resale members then that would make sense since restrictions only affect the post-2019 resale purchases, which is a small subset of all DVC owners.
That’s an easy one! Both brands are beloved. And prime real estate. Both easier sells, and cheaper. And there’s room for a whole new resort on Bay Lake as well, isn’t there? Wouldn’t an announcement like that get us all talking!
And I think it being part of the same association is what could undermine sales. It makes it hard to continue to market Riviera if they announced another non-restricted resort and the people who know about resale could buy Poly points now.
I agree. I’m holding out on adding more points because I want to own at the poly tower but the second they say it’s the same association I’m buying poly resale. I already own at RIV and don’t need access there. I want points that I can use solely for the new tower.
That's just asking for a Michael Graves syle design!!Since it seems to be the year of Disney magic, Iger should ask Michael Einser to come back and head up the Venetian project. He can bring in his architecture buddies and finally build something worthwhile in that final hotel space on the monorail loop.
But in 2042, why couldn’t they just tear down Boulder Ridge, build a new tower, and sell it like Poly2 with its own expiration date in 50 years? If we look at them as separate entities, why do they need to be combined? I don’t quite understand why nearby properties, even those affiliated in some way with their neighbors, need to have their expiration dates in sync.
Reflections wasn’t killed because of the DVC component. It’s been reported by insiders on WDWMagic and elsewhere that there were (overcomeable but unplanned for) site issues and, perhaps more importantly, an overall change in strategy with the pandemic. Reflections was the very first thing the killed during the pandemic closure, way back in mid-June 2020, before the parks even reopened.
