For goodness sake, I guess some people equate The Eiffel Tower with Test Track!
For goodness sake, I guess some people equate The Eiffel Tower with Test Track!
Probably the greatest game show ever. 
Why is that?
At this point, I feel like I'm bashing my head against a wall. I'm kinda over "discussing" why I don't care for FP+.
I think you missed my point by a little. I wasn't suggesting that pre-planning and long lines are not found at other major attractions. They absolutely are. I was referring to the micro planning. At the Louvre, one waits in a long line to get in. But once one gets in, one is free to go where one wants when one wants. One does not reserve spaces for the viewing of individual sub-attractions the way one now does at WDW. But would it be better if they did? I suppose one could argue that. But that wasn't the point. The point was, when comparing the amount of planning that one does for a trip to Paris to the amount of planning one does for a trip to WDW, the Paris trip may far outpace the WDW trip. But imagine how much more planning would be required if they ever take the next step to pre-reserve the viewing times of individual art works. Not saying that this would be terrible. Only that it would add entirely new layers of complexity to an already complex situation. That is what some Disney guests are now feeling. Not all. But some.
We avoided that by taking a "Disney approach" to the Louvre. We arrived an hour before "rope drop" and headed straight to the Mona Lisa. It was on Thanksgiving Day, (which, of course, is not a holiday in any other part of the world except the U.S.--a great time to travel abroad). We were in the room with the Mona Lisa with about 6 other people for a good 20 minutes before the next groups arrived. I didn't think it was possible to have the room all to oneself, but we (and the 6 other people) did. It was truly amazing.
It's really not a big deal in terms of time if you just go in and pick them once (ditto for ADRs).
When you start trying to optimize everything, that's when the planning gets time-consuming.
I think that first-time visitors are probably benefitting from FP+. It's encouraging them to do that bit of pre-planning that we all know can help make a trip better. It's a bit better than walking in and pulling out a park map.
I also think that people who go frequently don't mind as much. If you know you will be back this year (or ten times this year), it's not a big deal and you might appreciate the prescheduled FPs.
It's the people in the middle....who don't go frequently (1x a year or less) and who knew how to ride a lot of rides and enjoy a lot of rides in a day....those are the people who don't like FP+ from what I read here anyway.
Just my theory anyway. Planning is the eye of the beholder
The key now is to be willing to pre-plan as much as possible AND be flexible when things don't work out as you planned when you are actually there. This is really asking a lot of people!
You mean because you get told that you are wrong if you believe you don't get to do as many rides with FP+ as you did with FP? Or is it that you don't like being told that you are selfish for wanting to ride certain rides more than once with FP since that meant that other people might not get to ride that same ride? Or does it bother you for people to say that you vacation all wrong because you actually get to the park for rope drop and that must mean that you are not at all relaxing on your vacation? I know! It's that you don't like being told that your entire way of vacationing was wrong or in any other way stupid because you don't have your vacation benefited by the implementation of FP+! Why on earth would those things bother you?
That is .... why I've pored over blogs, why I have a power point presentation
First off....LOVE the "Press Your Luck" reference!
I do agree about getting all the reservation openings on the same timeline. I've always railed against the 180-day ADR policy and thought it should be 45 days. Always felt it was the #1 cause behind (but never justified) all the hoarding and other abuses that forced Disney to have to add the CC guarantee/$10 no-show fees. With park operating hours anything but set at 180 days out, it just doesn't make sense. IMO, the 180-day ADR policy is the thing that forces (or more accurately, compels - we're not really "forced" to do anything) people into most of their planning - and the furthest out, as well. What's always been a huge mystery to me, however, is that the 180-day thing never was/is on the receiving end of all the vitriol that FP+ receives.
Yes, FP+ causes me to do some additional planning and work on the 60-day mark, but with which park I'll be at and where I'm eating already determined 120 days earlier, that part is pretty easy. If I already know I'll be in Epcot on a given day, how much extra "work" is it really to know to secure a FP+ for either TT or Soarin' for that morning?
In a sense it is! We've been to both Paris and WDW, and on a standalone basis TT doesn't hold a candle to La Tour Eiffel. However, in the context of the overall destinations.......For goodness sake, I guess some people equate The Eiffel Tower with Test Track!
