The 'other' Pete's random thought and rants

[pjweaver]

Mini videos I want to see made:
Cory armwrestles Gaston
A shopping trip with Kevin at a Louis Vuitton store
An Abigail-cam
John playing undercover boss and showing up at the travel center in Port Canaveral when Teresa is at lunch
Pete drinks around the world at Epcot, but only getting free cups of water
Julie and Jackie on a quest to find something they both hate at Magic Kingdom
One week where John and Kevin can only eat at Tony's (a clip show)
The entire team at hoop dee do
A new spin on the 'What We Love About Resorts', but change it to what we hate (I like the good and the bad)
Please film Kathy on Journey Into Imagination so I can figure out what she sees in it
Crowd source raiser for GKTH: John shaves his face and head (I pledge $25 to start it off)

 

[NeuroCindy]

John playing undercover boss and showing up at the travel center in Port Canaveral when Teresa is at lunch
Pete drinks around the world at Epcot, but only getting free cups of water
Julie and Jackie on a quest to find something they both hate at Magic Kingdom


These three!

 

[pjweaver]

This may be way too personal, but a day of Ferris and Finley enjoying MK would be so cute.

 

[pjweaver]

Today is May 19th, and I began picking out what I will pack for our WDW trip that begins July 19th. Am I losing my mind?

 

[SarahDisney]

Today is May 19th, and I began picking out what I will pack for our WDW trip that begins July 19th. Am I losing my mind?

Why did you wait so long?
I'm already planning outfits for my next trip to Disneyland, and I have no idea if/when I'm going back.

 

[pjweaver]

Yesterday was our first day to make FPP for our July trip, and some things stood out.

MK is still showing as closing at 10:00. Every other year they closed at 12:00 in the summer, so either they haven't gotten around to updating times or they are screwing me.

AK is showing to be open until 11:00, but you can only make FPP until 5:00. I want to ride EE at night and explore the park when it's a little cooler.

I can't make a FPP for the Frozen ride, which has started preparing me for the fact that one of their boats must have sunk too. Either that or the trolls made Elsa disappear. DISAPPEAR

Just another example off WDW slipping. I don't mind paying more each year, what I mind is paying more for less. When was Disney purchased by WalMart?

 

[disneysteve]

AK is showing to be open until 11:00, but you can only make FPP until 5:00. I want to ride EE at night and explore the park when it's a little cooler.

It's never cooler in AK, especially in July. Unless by cooler you mean the low 90s instead of the high 90s.

 

[pjweaver]

I was trying to think of a way us Dissers could identify each other easily at the Disaversary.

Most clothing options are ruled out because:
A: do you really stand out at WDW by wearing something with Mickey on it?
B: it's going to be roughly as hot as the sun
C: the Brazilians took all the good designs
D: I am not washing a shirt every night to wear the next day
Same problems arose with hats or Mickey ears (also my head is too big to fit them)

Even pin laniards become unbearable in that climate, so they're out.

There is only one option that has avoided these problems. We all dye our hair blue. For anyone with a shaved head I have a gift card at home depot and will pick up a gallon of paint.

 

[SorcererHeidi]

One of my friends owned a "badge/button making" machine when we used to do our get-togetthers, and one of the tasks at the "big event" (we used to hold it at the beginning of the week at the at-the-time-named Dixie Landings Food Court) was to assemble/give out/make any needed badges/buttons. She used to make people pay/give info ahead for most of them, make any last minute ones needed, and would charge approx. .25 apiece for them to cover her material costs. They did make little holes in your clothes (like any buttons would - some people put them on lanyards or fanny packs to avoid this, long as they could be easily seen), but were big enough to be seen/identify each other, had our 1st names and hometowns, were a bright color to be seen from afar, did not get "hot" like other stuff would in summertime. Just giving you a springboard for ideas to let you know what other big groups have done, to give you some thoughts.

 

[SarahDisney]

There is only one option that has avoided these problems. We all dye our hair blue. For anyone with a shaved head I have a gift card at home depot and will pick up a gallon of paint.

It's a good thing I'm not going. I'm very proud of being able to tell my hairdresser that I've never dyed my hair (for some reason, they always ask if this is my natural hair color). I'm not ruining that just for you people.

 

[Alicenwonderment]

I was trying to think of a way us Dissers could identify each other easily at the Disaversary.

Most clothing options are ruled out because:
A: do you really stand out at WDW by wearing something with Mickey on it?
B: it's going to be roughly as hot as the sun
C: the Brazilians took all the good designs
D: I am not washing a shirt every night to wear the next day
Same problems arose with hats or Mickey ears (also my head is too big to fit them)

Even pin laniards become unbearable in that climate, so they're out.

There is only one option that has avoided these problems. We all dye our hair blue. For anyone with a shaved head I have a gift card at home depot and will pick up a gallon of paint.

Well since there are no good clothing options that stick out we could all use the no clothing option. I'm sure we would all stick out doing that. We might even get rounded up. lol P.S. Just trying to think outside the kingdom!!

 

[pjweaver]

Well since there are no good clothing options that stick out we could all use the no clothing option. I'm sure we would all stick out doing that. We might even get rounded up. lol P.S. Just trying to think outside the kingdom!!

While I have no problem with this idea (you should hear about my trip to Key West and the Garden of Eden bars 3rd floor) I am pretty sure WDW security has my info, and I doubt I have another strike left.

 

[Princess Jes]

Well since there are no good clothing options that stick out we could all use the no clothing option. I'm sure we would all stick out doing that. We might even get rounded up. lol P.S. Just trying to think outside the kingdom!!

Talk about things getting salty.... Bow chicka wow wow...

 

[pjweaver]

Talk about things getting salty.... Now chicka wow wow...

We say 'brown chicken brown cow'

 

[jcb]

I watched todays daily fix. The civil rights commision are siding with children dealing with autism. I await @jcb to comment on this, as I have no idea what a power this body holds. I think this would make for a great segment on the next show. Here are some questions:
What does this ruling actually mean from a legal standing?
In WDW's worst case scenario what could they be dealing with?
If I have a similar disability, say PTSD, could I make them run Space Mountain with the lights on?
If so, would you represent me?
What defines a cognitive disability, and what defines "full enjoyment of the parks"?
I understand that Disney cast members can not ask for proof under the ADA, so what stops unscrupulous people from claiming their child has special needs?
Where are we going?

I would like to add that for once, I am being serious about this. I in no way mean to discriminate people and families who deal with disabilities, but am curious. I am looking for a point of view from someone who knows the legal system as well as Disney.

I am all for equal treatment, but I can't help but think that every lawsuit raises my ticket prices as they pass on the cost. I also wonder what would happen if everyone gets an instant fastpass and 300 people show up at the same time for Peter Pan, how could Disney accommodate every individuals right to immediate access.

By answering any/all of these questions, I recognize that you are not acting as my legal council, will not hold you responsible for any advice, and will not be in conflict of interest should you represent @WebmasterPete against me in any restraining order cases pending or in the future.

I'm so sorry. I'm not ignoring you, not really, I just didn't check this thread for a few days. Here goes:

You are referring to one of the several decisions by the Florida Civil Rights Commission ("FCRC"). This is the state equivalent of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, a federal body, but which only deals with employment discrimination. Under Florida law, if the FCRC finds "reasonable cause" then the charging party can file a lawsuit or ask for an administrative hearing. The FCRC has no authority to construe the public accommodation provisions of the ADA. It can construe Florida law and that is what it construed here. Oddly, Florida law seems to only prohibit "handicap" discrimination but does not, unlike the ADA, require reasonable modification of policies (but I'll confess, I didn't try to do exhaustive research). That didn't stop the FCRC from basing its decision on the finding that Disney failed to make "reasonably accommodations" to the autistic children.

The problem with that finding is that it goes against the Federal Judge's ruling only a few weeks earlier. And, on the grand scheme of things, a federal judge's construction of the ADA is going to carry a lot more weight than the FCRC's contrary interpretation. Certainly, a federal judge will give utterly no weight to a conclusory agency decision such as this. The only question is whether there is any basis to construe Florida law more broadly than the ADA. I didn't find any but, again, I looked for about 5 minutes.

I actually thought the same things this morning Pete.
I'm so surprised that one case got thrown out before even getting to the courts, yet these cases were won by the complainant. how does that even work if there is a precedent in place?

If by "got thrown out before even getting to the courts" you mean the federal court decision, then it was not thrown out before getting to the courts. It was thrown out before the issues were presented to a jury for a decision. This is a common procedure under U.S. law. Either party can ask the court to rule that the evidence is insufficient to warrant submission to a jury decision. There are tight procedures which apply to this kind of a motion but they are also commonly granted. On the other hand, the FCRC decision was made without a hearing based (most likely) on competing letters from each side. That the FCRC ignored the federal judge's decision also says a lot about its reasoning.

The one I read about was an actual court of law, I don't have a clue what a civil rights commission is and what power it has.

I also don't know what level court gave a summary dismissal to the earlier case. We all have our areas, if I need to birth a kangaroo I will ask Jes, for this I went to Jack.

See above.

Hope this helps.

I'm really disappointed in Jes and her lack of experience birthing a Kangaroo.

 

[disneysteve]

I'm really disappointed in Jes and her lack of experience birthing a Kangaroo.

 

[SoarinSC]

You know how you can win giant stuffed animals at Dinoland or get a giant sombrero in Mexico only to have to carry it around all day? Why doesn't Disney offer a giant Churro instead? That way you could eat it then enjoy your park time. I know what you're thinking, but a turkey leg is not the same as a three foot long churro (that's one meter for you Europeans).

Genius idea! a Churro that's not only three feet long, but the width of a baseball bat! party time!

 

[pjweaver]

Thank you @jcb , you basically confirmed my layman's understanding of this issue. It would still be a great addition to a future episode. It seems to have little legal bearing toward Disney policy until a district or federal judge makes a ruling, which has already happened in Disney's favor.

I still wonder about some issues. If Autism is found grounds for bypassing the current system and the ADA specifies you can't ask for a DR's ruling, what prevents everyone from saying their child is autistic (other than morals)?

Is autism deemed higher on the social/political scale that other cognitive issues? I will use PTSD as an example repeatedly here, but there are many others to choose from.

Example: If I am in a confined space surrounded by people I may have a panic attack. Worse, I may go into what we call 'defense mode'. This could mean at a restaurant I need to sit facing the front with my back to a wall. In line for Soarin' I have no choice, just sound dampening walls and people pushing against me even in the fast pass line.

I understand that people with cognitive disabilities all respond differently, but how does the law view it?

 

[Princess Jes]

If by "got thrown out before even getting to the courts" you mean the federal court decision, then it was not thrown out before getting to the courts. It was thrown out before the issues were presented to a jury for a decision. This is a common procedure under U.S. law. Either party can ask the court to rule that the evidence is insufficient to warrant submission to a jury decision. There are tight procedures which apply to this kind of a motion but they are also commonly granted. On the other hand, the FCRC decision was made without a hearing based (most likely) on competing letters from each side. That the FCRC ignored the federal judge's decision also says a lot about its reasoning.

My apologies, based on what Pete Werner said (not Pete Weaver) I thought it didn't even get to a court room.
So is that Fry hearing? Or is that just to have a piece of evidence decided upon to be allowed into a hearing?
I wish I went forward with my career plans to be a Lawyer, it does interest me a lot.

So how is it that the FCRC was deciding on a case that involved kids with Autism when the FCRC deals with employment discrimination? seems strange to me? Or have I yet again misunderstood? Dang, clearly it was good I didn't proceed with my plans to be a lawyer, my comprehension skills are low

 

[pjweaver]

My apologies, based on what Pete Werner said (not Pete Weaver) I thought it didn't even get to a court room.
So is that Fry hearing? Or is that just to have a piece of evidence decided upon to be allowed into a hearing?
I wish I went forward with my career plans to be a Lawyer, it does interest me a lot.

So how is it that the FCRC was deciding on a case that involved kids with Autism when the FCRC deals with employment discrimination? seems strange to me? Or have I yet again misunderstood? Dang, clearly it was good I didn't proceed with my plans to be a lawyer, my comprehension skills are low

I don't think you misunderstood. This seems to be a non legally binding ruling, rather it is a commission that say 'that's no good". As Jack said it looks like the FCRC made a judgement call, but a federal judge does far out weights them.

The American judicial system is complex as each state has its own laws and the federal (nation wide) court system may be different. This was made clear when states legalized pot but the federal courts did not. Years of wasted tax money went down that rabbit hole. Now I can smoke dope in some states legally and get fired when I return home and test positive for it (not that I ever would).

To make it more confusing Jack may be a lawyer, or member of the Bar, in North Carolina, but can't practice law in Florida unless he is admitted to their bar because of how each state has it's own legislation and laws. It gets much more confusing than that, but I gave a quick view.